The pdmtl abstractions are having some issues with 'svn'. I can guarantee that 'svn' is installed, since that is what is used to get the source code every day.
.hc
Message: 17 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:38:59 -0400 (EDT) From: pd@debian-stable-powerpc.idmi.poly.edu (pd) Subject: [PD-cvs] autobuild: pd-extended debian-stable-powerpc 2008-03-22 06.29.26 To: pd-cvs@iem.at Message-ID: 20080322103900.366862B2CE@debian-stable-powerpc.idmi.poly.edu
install -d /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pddp install -p /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/ dsp.pd /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/open.pd / home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/+pager.pd /home/pd/ auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/parse_meta.pd /home/pd/ auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/print_long.pd /home/pd/ auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/print.pd /home/pd/auto- build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra/ pddp /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/scripts/generate-libdir- metafile.sh /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra pddp \ --license "GNU GPL" \ --description "support objects for the Pure Data Documentation Project" install -d /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/doc/5.reference/pddp install -p /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/*- help.pd \ /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/ local/lib/pd/doc/5.reference/pddp install -d /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pdmtl svn export --force /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/ pdmtl \ /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/ local/lib/pd/extra/pdmtl make[2]: svn: Command not found make[2]: *** [pdmtl_install] Error 127 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/ abstractions' make[1]: *** [abstractions_install] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages' make: *** [install] Error 2 upload specs linux_make . deb Uploading /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/./ Pd*.deb ls: /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/./Pd*.deb: No such file or directory
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Hi Hans, Hm, that's odd, a weird PATH issue perhaps? I tested it thoroughly this time : ), and it works fine on both of my machines; "command not found" is I guess a shell error (at first I thought maybe the "export" command was a newer addition to SVN, but it seems to have been there from the start anyway).
Exporting is definitely a good idea, since the .svn/ dirs add about 30megs of unnecessary overhead.
So, either we can try to fix the path issue, or I can try to replicate "svn export" using "find"? Cheers Luke
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
The pdmtl abstractions are having some issues with 'svn'. I can guarantee that 'svn' is installed, since that is what is used to get the source code every day.
.hc
Message: 17 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:38:59 -0400 (EDT) From: pd@debian-stable-powerpc.idmi.poly.edu (pd) Subject: [PD-cvs] autobuild: pd-extended debian-stable-powerpc 2008-03-22 06.29.26 To: pd-cvs@iem.at Message-ID: 20080322103900.366862B2CE@debian-stable-powerpc.idmi.poly.edu
install -d /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pddp install -p /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/ dsp.pd /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/open.pd / home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/+pager.pd /home/pd/ auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/parse_meta.pd /home/pd/ auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/print_long.pd /home/pd/ auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/print.pd /home/pd/auto- build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra/ pddp /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/scripts/generate-libdir- metafile.sh /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra pddp \ --license "GNU GPL" \ --description "support objects for the Pure Data Documentation Project" install -d /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/doc/5.reference/pddp install -p /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/*- help.pd \ /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/ local/lib/pd/doc/5.reference/pddp install -d /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pdmtl svn export --force /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/ pdmtl \ /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/ local/lib/pd/extra/pdmtl make[2]: svn: Command not found make[2]: *** [pdmtl_install] Error 127 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/ abstractions' make[1]: *** [abstractions_install] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages' make: *** [install] Error 2 upload specs linux_make . deb Uploading /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/./ Pd*.deb ls: /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/./Pd*.deb: No such file or directory
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Just having a link in the pure-data SVN to the pdmtl abstractions isn't really useful from my experience. I think it would be more useful to import pdmtl releases into the pure-data SVN. But it seems that there aren't any pdmtl releases.
By just importing the latest pdmtl abstractions into Pd-extended, I think that will cause more problems that in solves. I think it makes more sense to work out the details of a user-managed externals installation location, then the users can manage pdmtl there using SVN or whatever.
On Mac OS X since 0.39.3-extended, /Library/Pd is a such a location. Just put your code there and it is in the default path for objects and help files. We just need to pick standard locations for GNU/ Linux and Windows, then add it to default preferences, then I think that will be the best solution for managing pdmtl with Pd-extended.
This really the direction that Pd-extended should be going on. Only really stable things should be included, other things should be managed outside. Ideally we'd have some kind of apt-get for Pd.
.hc
On Mar 22, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote:
Hi Hans, Hm, that's odd, a weird PATH issue perhaps? I tested it thoroughly this time : ), and it works fine on both of my machines; "command not found" is I guess a shell error (at first I thought maybe the "export" command was a newer addition to SVN, but it seems to have been there from the start anyway).
Exporting is definitely a good idea, since the .svn/ dirs add about 30megs of unnecessary overhead.
So, either we can try to fix the path issue, or I can try to replicate "svn export" using "find"? Cheers Luke
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
The pdmtl abstractions are having some issues with 'svn'. I can guarantee that 'svn' is installed, since that is what is used to get the source code every day.
.hc
Message: 17 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:38:59 -0400 (EDT) From: pd@debian-stable-powerpc.idmi.poly.edu (pd) Subject: [PD-cvs] autobuild: pd-extended debian-stable-powerpc 2008-03-22 06.29.26 To: pd-cvs@iem.at Message-ID: <20080322103900.366862B2CE@debian-stable- powerpc.idmi.poly.edu>
install -d /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pddp install -p /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/ dsp.pd /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/open.pd / home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/+pager.pd /home/pd/ auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/parse_meta.pd /home/pd/ auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/print_long.pd /home/pd/ auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/print.pd /home/pd/auto- build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra/ pddp /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/scripts/generate-libdir- metafile.sh /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra pddp \ --license "GNU GPL" \ --description "support objects for the Pure Data Documentation Project" install -d /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/doc/5.reference/pddp install -p /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/*- help.pd \ /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/ local/lib/pd/doc/5.reference/pddp install -d /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pdmtl svn export --force /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/ pdmtl \ /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/ local/lib/pd/extra/pdmtl make[2]: svn: Command not found make[2]: *** [pdmtl_install] Error 127 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/ abstractions' make[1]: *** [abstractions_install] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/ packages' make: *** [install] Error 2 upload specs linux_make . deb Uploading /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/./ Pd*.deb ls: /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/./Pd*.deb: No such file or directory
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Hi Hans,
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
Just having a link in the pure-data SVN to the pdmtl abstractions isn't really useful from my experience. I think it would be more useful to import pdmtl releases into the pure-data SVN. But it seems that there aren't any pdmtl releases.
By just importing the latest pdmtl abstractions into Pd-extended, I think that will cause more problems that in solves. I think it makes more sense to work out the details of a user-managed externals installation location, then the users can manage pdmtl there using SVN or whatever.
Sure, I agree that Pd-e should have stable versions of whatever's included. I thought part of the appeal of the autobuilds, though, is that libraries can be tested in the context of the distribution before a release.
Anyway, a good compromise would be for the PdMTL crew to create a release branch on their side, and I'll switch the external definition in Pd-SVN to mirror that. Then, when they are comfortable with the state of their trunk they can merge it in, and that way Pd-SVN won't be affected by the fluctuations of the bleeding edge. Would that be preferable?
(also, I removed pdmtl from the builds while we sort this out so the autobuilds resume)
On Mac OS X since 0.39.3-extended, /Library/Pd is a such a location. Just put your code there and it is in the default path for objects and help files. We just need to pick standard locations for GNU/ Linux and Windows, then add it to default preferences, then I think that will be the best solution for managing pdmtl with Pd-extended.
This really the direction that Pd-extended should be going on. Only really stable things should be included, other things should be managed outside. Ideally we'd have some kind of apt-get for Pd.
I'm all for this, and if I find myself with some free time I'll see if I can contribute to its realization.
Cheers Luke
.hc
On Mar 22, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote:
Hi Hans, Hm, that's odd, a weird PATH issue perhaps? I tested it thoroughly this time : ), and it works fine on both of my machines; "command not found" is I guess a shell error (at first I thought maybe the "export" command was a newer addition to SVN, but it seems to have been there from the start anyway).
Exporting is definitely a good idea, since the .svn/ dirs add about 30megs of unnecessary overhead.
So, either we can try to fix the path issue, or I can try to replicate "svn export" using "find"? Cheers Luke
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
The pdmtl abstractions are having some issues with 'svn'. I can guarantee that 'svn' is installed, since that is what is used to get the source code every day.
.hc
Message: 17 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:38:59 -0400 (EDT) From: pd@debian-stable-powerpc.idmi.poly.edu (pd) Subject: [PD-cvs] autobuild: pd-extended debian-stable-powerpc 2008-03-22 06.29.26 To: pd-cvs@iem.at Message-ID: <20080322103900.366862B2CE@debian-stable- powerpc.idmi.poly.edu>
install -d /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pddp install -p /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/ dsp.pd /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/open.pd / home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/+pager.pd /home/pd/ auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/parse_meta.pd /home/pd/ auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/print_long.pd /home/pd/ auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/print.pd /home/pd/auto- build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra/ pddp /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/scripts/generate-libdir- metafile.sh /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra pddp \ --license "GNU GPL" \ --description "support objects for the Pure Data Documentation Project" install -d /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/doc/5.reference/pddp install -p /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/*- help.pd \ /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/ local/lib/pd/doc/5.reference/pddp install -d /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pdmtl svn export --force /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/ pdmtl \ /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/ local/lib/pd/extra/pdmtl make[2]: svn: Command not found make[2]: *** [pdmtl_install] Error 127 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/ abstractions' make[1]: *** [abstractions_install] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/ packages' make: *** [install] Error 2 upload specs linux_make . deb Uploading /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/./ Pd*.deb ls: /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/./Pd*.deb: No such file or directory
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On Mar 22, 2008, at 11:12 PM, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote:
Hi Hans,
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
Just having a link in the pure-data SVN to the pdmtl abstractions isn't really useful from my experience. I think it would be more useful to import pdmtl releases into the pure-data SVN. But it seems that there aren't any pdmtl releases.
By just importing the latest pdmtl abstractions into Pd-extended, I think that will cause more problems that in solves. I think it makes more sense to work out the details of a user-managed externals installation location, then the users can manage pdmtl there using SVN or whatever.
Sure, I agree that Pd-e should have stable versions of whatever's included. I thought part of the appeal of the autobuilds, though, is that libraries can be tested in the context of the distribution before a release.
Anyway, a good compromise would be for the PdMTL crew to create a release branch on their side, and I'll switch the external definition in Pd-SVN to mirror that. Then, when they are comfortable with the state of their trunk they can merge it in, and that way Pd-SVN won't be affected by the fluctuations of the bleeding edge. Would that be preferable?
(also, I removed pdmtl from the builds while we sort this out so the autobuilds resume)
Sorry for the slow response. I think a better solution than an svn external link for testing PdMtl with Pd-extended would be to iron out a library format and a standard location for user-installed libraries. On Mac OS X, /Library/Pd has been in place since 0.38.4. We need to define standard locations for the other platforms now.
It's time to get a lot more conservative with what we add to Pd- extended. Once you guys feel that PdMtl is quite stable in terms of its interface, organization and naming, then it would be ready for inclusion in Pd-extended, if you want. Or if you want to include it, then deal with backwards compatibility with any changes you make, then you can include it now.
On Mac OS X since 0.39.3-extended, /Library/Pd is a such a location. Just put your code there and it is in the default path for objects and help files. We just need to pick standard locations for GNU/ Linux and Windows, then add it to default preferences, then I think that will be the best solution for managing pdmtl with Pd-extended.
This really the direction that Pd-extended should be going on. Only really stable things should be included, other things should be managed outside. Ideally we'd have some kind of apt-get for Pd.
I'm all for this, and if I find myself with some free time I'll see if I can contribute to its realization.
Great, I think it was Alexandre Quessy who first suggested this, so perhaps he'll help too.
.hc
Cheers Luke
.hc
On Mar 22, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote:
Hi Hans, Hm, that's odd, a weird PATH issue perhaps? I tested it thoroughly this time : ), and it works fine on both of my machines; "command not found" is I guess a shell error (at first I thought maybe the "export" command was a newer addition to SVN, but it seems to have been there from the start anyway).
Exporting is definitely a good idea, since the .svn/ dirs add about 30megs of unnecessary overhead.
So, either we can try to fix the path issue, or I can try to replicate "svn export" using "find"? Cheers Luke
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
The pdmtl abstractions are having some issues with 'svn'. I can guarantee that 'svn' is installed, since that is what is used to get the source code every day.
.hc
Message: 17 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:38:59 -0400 (EDT) From: pd@debian-stable-powerpc.idmi.poly.edu (pd) Subject: [PD-cvs] autobuild: pd-extended debian-stable-powerpc 2008-03-22 06.29.26 To: pd-cvs@iem.at Message-ID: <20080322103900.366862B2CE@debian-stable- powerpc.idmi.poly.edu>
install -d /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pddp install -p /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/ dsp.pd /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/open.pd / home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/+pager.pd / home/pd/ auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/parse_meta.pd /home/pd/ auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/print_long.pd /home/pd/ auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/print.pd /home/pd/auto- build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/local/lib/pd/ extra/ pddp /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/scripts/generate-libdir- metafile.sh /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra pddp \ --license "GNU GPL" \ --description "support objects for the Pure Data Documentation Project" install -d /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/doc/5.reference/pddp install -p /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/*- help.pd \ /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/ local/lib/pd/doc/5.reference/pddp install -d /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pdmtl svn export --force /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/ pdmtl \ /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/ build//usr/ local/lib/pd/extra/pdmtl make[2]: svn: Command not found make[2]: *** [pdmtl_install] Error 127 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/ abstractions' make[1]: *** [abstractions_install] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/ packages' make: *** [install] Error 2 upload specs linux_make . deb Uploading /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/./ Pd*.deb ls: /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/./Pd*.deb: No such file or directory
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