Hi,
I was looking at the page http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Wiki_administrator_how-to, and I'm not sure if the fields for the infoboxes are the same. I found 3 versions so far:
1. - The first dashed box with # wikipedia terms etc. was put there by me, with information coming from Hans. 2. - The box in the section "Infobox" in the same page was written by Marius. 3. - In the end of http://wiki.puredata.info/en/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Objectclass&am... there are some other fields that didn't appear before. And I guess that the definitive version should be checked with the previous part of this page.
Could you check out which of these versions is complete? So far all the mails from Hans asking for the translations for the pdpedia templates came from version 1.
João
Ultimately, what's in the Infobox is up to the heads of each language site.
What's in the Template:Infobox_Objectclass is what will be displayed, so that's the definitive one.
.hc
On Oct 5, 2007, at 2:21 PM, João Miguel Pais wrote:
Hi,
I was looking at the page http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Wiki_administrator_how-to, and I'm not sure if the fields for the infoboxes are the same. I found 3 versions so far:
- The first dashed box with # wikipedia terms etc. was put there
by me, with information coming from Hans. 2. - The box in the section "Infobox" in the same page was written by Marius. 3. - In the end of http://wiki.puredata.info/en/index.php? title=Template:Infobox_Objectclass&action=edit there are some other fields that didn't appear before. And I guess that the definitive version should be checked with the previous part of this page.
Could you check out which of these versions is complete? So far all the mails from Hans asking for the translations for the pdpedia templates came from version 1.
João
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Ultimately, what's in the Infobox is up to the heads of each language site.
What's in the Template:Infobox_Objectclass is what will be displayed, so that's the definitive one.
so I guess there are missing terms in the list that is being translated around? For example, keeping with the 3 sources that I've listed
1. - The first dashed box with # wikipedia terms etc. in http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Wiki_administrator_how-to 2. - The box in the section "Infobox" in the same page 3. - The 1st section of http://wiki.puredata.info/en/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Objectclass&am... [before I've written it wrong]
, there are some terms which appear in ones, and others who don't. Look at the annexed file, there isn't any version that is really "complete", each version has something missing. Unless "released" is an older formulation for release date?
So it means that the lists that were translated so far should be updated to include all elements of the 3rd column?
hey, I think it is better to have more fields, even if we don't use all of them at the moment. some of the original list are very unlikely to be used in the future (like release date) and one field (genre) got deleted because for genre we will use the category information instead. but I personally tend to use "key words" now in the body of the pages and not in the infobox as a replacement for genre. it is possible that the english infobox might change a little in the future... for the purtuguese I would say go with the third version of your xls. but drop genre and released. marius.
João Miguel Pais wrote:
Ultimately, what's in the Infobox is up to the heads of each language site.
What's in the Template:Infobox_Objectclass is what will be displayed, so that's the definitive one.
so I guess there are missing terms in the list that is being translated around? For example, keeping with the 3 sources that I've listed
- The first dashed box with # wikipedia terms etc. in
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Wiki_administrator_how-to 2. - The box in the section "Infobox" in the same page 3. - The 1st section of http://wiki.puredata.info/en/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Objectclass&am... [before I've written it wrong]
, there are some terms which appear in ones, and others who don't. Look at the annexed file, there isn't any version that is really "complete", each version has something missing. Unless "released" is an older formulation for release date?
So it means that the lists that were translated so far should be updated to include all elements of the 3rd column?
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I think it is better to have more fields, even if we don't use all of them at the moment. some of the original list are very unlikely to be used in the future (like release date) and one field (genre) got deleted because for genre we will use the category information instead. but I personally tend to use "key words" now in the body of the pages and not in the infobox as a replacement for genre. it is possible that the english infobox might change a little in the future... for the purtuguese I would say go with the third version of your xls. but drop genre and released.
it's not only about me going on - there are already 6 languages being worked, so it would be better if things would be coherent, I guess. I've added the 6 new fiels to the list in http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Wiki_administrator_how-to, is it now better?
Joao
I like what you have there! I am still trying to hide all the infobox fields that contain no values on the right side of the equal (=) sign. then I will add them to the english version too. marius.
João Miguel Pais wrote:
I think it is better to have more fields, even if we don't use all of them at the moment. some of the original list are very unlikely to be used in the future (like release date) and one field (genre) got deleted because for genre we will use the category information instead. but I personally tend to use "key words" now in the body of the pages and not in the infobox as a replacement for genre. it is possible that the english infobox might change a little in the future... for the purtuguese I would say go with the third version of your xls. but drop genre and released.
it's not only about me going on - there are already 6 languages being worked, so it would be better if things would be coherent, I guess. I've added the 6 new fiels to the list in http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Wiki_administrator_how-to, is it now better?
Joao
Ultimately, the structure of the infobox is up to the language head. Which ones are included are up to the heads of each language, like wikipedia.
I think we should not add fields until we have data for them, for example, there isn't any data for "cpu use index".
I think "helppatch name" should only be used on the objects that don't use the standard naming scheme (i.e. *-help.pd).
Also, the "messages" section might be redundant. It might make more sense to including the messages in the "inlets" section, since occasionally, different inlets accept different messages. (Most of the time, messages with selectors are sent to the first inlet).
.hc
On Oct 6, 2007, at 8:37 AM, marius schebella wrote:
hey, I think it is better to have more fields, even if we don't use all of them at the moment. some of the original list are very unlikely to be used in the future (like release date) and one field (genre) got deleted because for genre we will use the category information instead. but I personally tend to use "key words" now in the body of the pages and not in the infobox as a replacement for genre. it is possible that the english infobox might change a little in the future... for the purtuguese I would say go with the third version of your xls. but drop genre and released. marius.
João Miguel Pais wrote:
Ultimately, what's in the Infobox is up to the heads of each language site.
What's in the Template:Infobox_Objectclass is what will be displayed, so that's the definitive one.
so I guess there are missing terms in the list that is being translated around? For example, keeping with the 3 sources that I've listed
- The first dashed box with # wikipedia terms etc. in http://
wiki.puredata.info/en/Wiki_administrator_how-to 2. - The box in the section "Infobox" in the same page 3. - The 1st section of http://wiki.puredata.info/en/index.php? title=Template:Infobox_Objectclass&action=edit [before I've written it wrong] , there are some terms which appear in ones, and others who don't. Look at the annexed file, there isn't any version that is really "complete", each version has something missing. Unless "released" is an older formulation for release date? So it means that the lists that were translated so far should be updated to include all elements of the 3rd column?
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Ultimately, the structure of the infobox is up to the language head. Which ones are included are up to the heads of each language, like wikipedia.
I think we should not add fields until we have data for them, for example, there isn't any data for "cpu use index".
I think "helppatch name" should only be used on the objects that don't use the standard naming scheme (i.e. *-help.pd).
Also, the "messages" section might be redundant. It might make more sense to including the messages in the "inlets" section, since occasionally, different inlets accept different messages. (Most of the time, messages with selectors are sent to the first inlet).
I also think that it should be the same structure in all languages. I don't see much point in each language going astray depending on the mood/resources of its participants - for that there's the puredatainfo already.
But while checking the infobox template, I saw that those extra fields were already programmed, that's why I asked if they should be added to the template. In that case, I would suggest to remove those fields from the infobox structure for now - new fields can be added at any time, after they've been "approved".
On Oct 8, 2007, at 7:07 PM, João Miguel Pais wrote:
Ultimately, the structure of the infobox is up to the language head. Which ones are included are up to the heads of each language, like wikipedia.
I think we should not add fields until we have data for them, for example, there isn't any data for "cpu use index".
I think "helppatch name" should only be used on the objects that don't use the standard naming scheme (i.e. *-help.pd).
Also, the "messages" section might be redundant. It might make more sense to including the messages in the "inlets" section, since occasionally, different inlets accept different messages. (Most of the time, messages with selectors are sent to the first inlet).
I also think that it should be the same structure in all languages. I don't see much point in each language going astray depending on the mood/resources of its participants - for that there's the puredatainfo already.
But while checking the infobox template, I saw that those extra fields were already programmed, that's why I asked if they should be added to the template. In that case, I would suggest to remove those fields from the infobox structure for now - new fields can be added at any time, after they've been "approved".
The idea is that each language site should be completely autonomous. It's probably a good idea to keep the infobox in sync, but I do not think it should be mandatory in anyway.
.hc
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On Oct 9, 2007, at 5:18 PM, João Miguel Pais wrote:
The idea is that each language site should be completely autonomous. It's probably a good idea to keep the infobox in sync, but I do not think it should be mandatory in anyway.
ok, let's see what happens. in that case I (we) have to wait now for the "approval", right?
Something like that. I think it's more like waiting to see if anyone else has comments. Not everyone checks the list everyday.
.hc
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