Now that PD-0.38.4-extended is finally wrapping up, its time to start working on Pd-0.39.2-extended. I plan a number of big changes, like namespace support improvements, and moving to Tcl/Tk 8.4.12 on Windows and GNU/Linux, and 8.4.10 on Mac OS X. Some Tcl/Tk 8.5a3 trial builds would be good too.
Any help would be appreciated. The most helpful thing would be to make sure your code works with Pd-extended out of box. It would be awesome if we can point Max users and newbies to the "examples" browser and have them open amazing patches. There are many amazing Pd patches out there, but most of them take a while to get running. With Pd-extended, its possible to have them be all set without any extra effort.
Of course, any other way you might want to help is also always appreciated.
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hi hans, hi devs
start working on Pd-0.39.2-extended. I plan a number of big changes, like namespace support improvements, and moving to Tcl/Tk 8.4.12 on
i like the idea of namespaces (actually, i think, it's one of the most important features, pd is missing), but i want to warn about implementing them in one branch of pd only, since they are a change to the pd language, not just another interpreter feature ...
a namespace, that's only a feature of extended, not part of vanilla, devel or desire (yes, it seems, we already have 4 pd branches, although devel and desire are closely related) would result in language inconsistencies ... ever had problems like: "this doesn't compile with gcc/msvc", "please use (insert your favorite scheme interpreter here)" ...
imo a namespace should be implemented to all flavours of pd, not only one ...
cheers ... tim
On Feb 15, 2006, at 6:26 AM, Tim Blechmann wrote:
hi hans, hi devs
start working on Pd-0.39.2-extended. I plan a number of big changes, like namespace support improvements, and moving to Tcl/Tk 8.4.12 on
i like the idea of namespaces (actually, i think, it's one of the most important features, pd is missing), but i want to warn about implementing them in one branch of pd only, since they are a change to the pd language, not just another interpreter feature ...
a namespace, that's only a feature of extended, not part of vanilla, devel or desire (yes, it seems, we already have 4 pd branches, although devel and desire are closely related) would result in language inconsistencies ... ever had problems like: "this doesn't compile with gcc/msvc", "please use (insert your favorite scheme interpreter here)" ...
imo a namespace should be implemented to all flavours of pd, not only one ...
I totally agree, and thankfully it is already in all flavours of Pd, unless it was specifically removed from pd-devel or desire. This is all based on "geiger namespaces", which is basically taking advantage of the fact that you can use relative paths in objects, i.e. [cyclone/counter] instantiates pd/extra/cyclone/counter.pd_darwin. The libdir patch is a way to make libraries out of folders so that help files are supported also.
To see some related, minor changes, check out externals/loaders/import.c (quick hack), and packages/patches/libdir-0.38-4.patch (another quick hack). I plan on implementing the libdir patch as a t.grill loader for a more permanent solution. IOhannes submitted a patch to further support namespaces:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? func=detail&aid=1403917&group_id=55736&atid=478072
The next step, which is the only big modification to the core that's needed AFAIK, is to make each patch have a local namespace. Kzrysztof outlined how that could be done on the list, but no one has implemented this yet. The interface for this is an other question. So in the meantime, you can use [import] as a workaround.
.hc
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