Hmm...
So it's a Tcl/Tk thing, or a getting Tcl/Tk to work well with Pd thing?
Honestly at this point I'd rather use Pd (more active community, developed well and often, seems a bit more avant guard, etc.) but I'm really only interested in real-time tweaking... If there's a chance things could improve I'll pursue Pd but if that's just the way Tcl/Tk is on OS X I'll go with jMax also.
Is Tcl slow on the linux platform? Early jMax and early Pd were both dog slow on my linux PII 200 last yearish...
JMax has a nice interface (java anti-aliasing etc.) and it's actually being developed pretty intensly. 4.0.0 is looking good.
thanks Adam, Miller et.al, -ryan
--- Adam Lindsay atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk wrote:
Okay, if you're running such a recent Tcl/Tk, it's not the bug I was alluding to, and more like what Miller mentioned. The current Tcl/Tk's are hard to work with because the screen interrupts can cause skips in the sound buffers.
It does run pretty well if you do *not* rely on live updating numberboxes and the like. You can always increase the buffer size by one notch, too.
I've just downloaded jMax, but I haven't had a chance to test it. It sure looks a lot prettier, though. Sigh.
adam
I believe Ryan Gallagher said this around Mon, 11 Nov 2002:
Hi,
Thanks for that tip.
I am using 8.4.1 just compiled last week. The
audio
doesn't stall per se, it's more like values aren't getting updated consistantly so say a pitch sweep
will
"jump" along with the numerical input.
A friend told me Pd on osx runs better than jMax. This hasn't been my experience at all so I thought
I'd
get some feedback from other pd osx users.
thanks again, ryan
--- Adam Lindsay atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk wrote:
If you're running Jaguar and are experiencing a stalled graphical interface, do make sure you're running the latest (8.4.1) Tcl/Tk. The most recent builds at Sourceforge are nice
looking
(antialiased text... which may not help performance). Mac OSX 10.2 introduced some issues with older versions of Tcl/Tk which have subsequently been fixed.
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tcl/TclTkAqua-8.4.1-Jaguar.dmg?download
Stalled audio input is another matter. I have an iMac with similar specs, and it's tricky to get good performance.
Best of luck, adam
I believe Ryan Gallagher said this around Mon, 11 Nov 2002:
Hi there,
I read that Pd is "(somewhat shakily) running on Macintosh OS/X" and decided to give er a try...
I
was
wondering if one of the "shakes" is jumpy
unresponsive
mouse input? When clickin on a number object
and
moving the mouse up and down, there appears to
be
certain freezing and skipping in the interface
(also
observable in audio output).
Is this the state of affairs or do I have
something
mis-configured, I have a G3 400, 512mb ram,
OSX.2.1.
thanks, ryan
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Hi, Ryan Gallagher hat gesagt: // Ryan Gallagher wrote:
Is Tcl slow on the linux platform?
It isn't as slow as you described your problems, but it can get in the way of the DSP chain on Linux as well. For example moving graph-on-parent patches or painting in tables will kill your performance. This is not OS-specific, but it is Pd's fault alone.
In my experience, Pd in general feels quicker and more responsive than jMax, but not more than Max/MSP.
There has been talk about improving Pd's performance in the GUI departement, and indeed I would like to do something about it, because I have the time now, but first a deeper understanding of how Pd works currently is needed, and I don't have that yet...
ciao
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Frank Barknecht -
Ryan Gallagher