Hello,
THIS WHOLE TOPIC IS DESPOTIC, WASTEFUL, AND COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
Take this argument elsewhere. This is a waste of bandwidth and doesn't belong on ANY list-serv. This is not the garbage the I subscribed to.
Regards.
-----Original Message----- From: pd-dev-bounces@iem.at [mailto:pd-dev-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of Yves Degoyon Sent: January 23, 2006 10:16 AM To: Ed Kelly Cc: hcs@eds.org; pd-dev@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD-dev] Re: [PD-announce] Pd-0.38.4-extended-RC7
man,
i'm not speaking of you and others constructive users, i'm speaking of other developers here that want to _normalize_ the pd developement.. and the time wasted with this ( my precious time ).
i never made a pledge to american law and the FSF... and i don't really mind what they think.
i think free software should be more than a commodity where you are not obliged to pay any licence, but that it should also be seen as a brick to build another world, along with free networks, free medias and be prohibited to be used in some contexts. ( when i see that people are proud in some linux magazine that free software has ben used to operate a tank, i just think we don't share lots of values and i want to run from 'mainstream' free software, what it becomes now, another system ... )
saludos, sevy
Ed Kelly wrote:
Hans,
Before I comment on the comment, I copied the pdp.pd_darwin library from my /usr/local/lib/pd/extra into the Pd-0.38.4-extended-RC7.app/Contents/Resources/extra, pdp and pidip loaded OK and I got a video up in X. I am using the version from Yves, pdp_pidip_osx/ from http://tdegoyon.free.fr/pdp_pidip_osx.tar.gz but you have to get inside the archive to find the bits you need. Since this is an extended release it may be useful to include all the libs from this archive (Imagemagick etc) although there may still be the fuss about Pidip's license (it contains mp3lame amongst other dylibs). It still needs X11 so maybe it would be wise to put a link to http://ydegoyon.free.fr/INSTALL_NOTES.txt , or just add to the Readme.html file about getting X11. Apple's XDarwin works as well as the X11 distribution.
--- Yves Degoyon ydegoyon@free.fr wrote:
i will not comment further on your stupidity, with all your friends here, you're just killing any idea of pd's community ( if it ever existed )
but, as people waste their time to look for defaults in other's work, i would rather tell them to get a life..
Really?
I work a lot with students who come to me looking for an alternative to Max/MSP/Jitter, since they cannot afford to buy such software. In Britain, every music department uses Macintosh computers, almost without exception, and I'd like to point them in a direction that allows me to show them PD without necessarily having to learn how to compile and troubleshoot complex pieces of software (of which pidip is one, since it depends on so many other pieces of software to work). Hans' installer is the ideal candidate for this, since it gives you many objects with the minimum of installation of initialisation files. Your own pdp_pidip_osx is good too in that respect. I apologise to Hans for being presumptious with my bug reports, or not having the time to research them thoroughly (I have Mac's only at work, where I am supposed to be working!). As far as I know, this is the only attempt by anyone to make PD externals accessible, so let's get behind it.
Pidip is hard to get to work. That's a fact we can address if the motivation is there, but I have a life thank you, and don't particularly want others to have to waste theirs trying to find the right CVS snapshot of ffmpeg amongst other things, as I did, or to resolve the problems compiling mpeg4ip, of which the version Yves says to get isn't even available anymore. That's not finding fault with your software Yves - I like it and use it. Just acknowledging some facts. What kind of community do you want, Yves? A democracy or an elite?
On Wednesday I will be giving a lecture and demonstration where I work on PD, to encourage students to consider it as an alternative to Max/MSP. I'd like to promote the community, as I often have, as an advantage rather than a hindrance. I know Yves, that you may have absolutely no reason to care whether anyone uses your software or not, and that's fine. But let's not make this personal.
Best, Ed
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