On Jul 27, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 08:52:10AM -0400, B. Bogart wrote:
Hey all,
I've been barely able to keep up with this thread. Lots of ideas and changes. Here I agree with everything that HC has to say.
I'm also a bit confused (anoyed) about the whole list vs nonlist things just for the reasons HC mentions. Miller, you said it is probably "better" to use lists rather than lists that do not start with "list" as the first element, non-lists. Why is this?? I think a list should be:
interpreted in many cases as a non-list. (ie creating OSC names for example, [list send /hello/blah value] automatically gets rid of the "list" part because it knows what to do about it.
be able to contain a mix of symbols and float atoms
there be only be one "list-like" thing, I don't know what this would make a non-list into... an undefined list? One would not need a non-list if the first point above was true and the "list" part not considered part of the list. (NOT the first element, but something invisible that you never need to see, like "float [float]" where I have never had the need to worry about it but the damn list selector comes up all the time. :(
Thats all for me.
Well, there's an attempt to straighten this out in a subpatch of the "list" help window...
How much would it change things to make a message with a "list" selector always behave as a list? (i.e. the [print] and [route] examples that I gave and the [x.wav 44100( example that you gave) I think that alone would go a really long way to making the whole list/non-list thing much easier to work with. If I could just [prepend list] to everything and everything would then be treated as a list everywhere, I would be much happier.
Just out of curiosity, is Max/MSP setup the same way or are things different with list/non-lists?
.hc
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