On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:27 PM, cdr wrote:
But with pd-0.39 this issue is solved thanks to the [list] object,
justa bout every patch i've made (from 0.36 to 0.39) involves :
- an inordinate amount of objects just adding and removing selectors
eg turning lists into non-lists and vice-versa
Indeed. When I work with variable data sets, I generally try to stay out of the realm of lists entirely, and use "undefined sets" and [prepend].
- crazy dances to get into get instance variables into messages
alongside and mixed with local variables (i was appalled that the documentation suggests using a bunch of [symbol $0] [float $0] and unwieldy chained series of makefilenames (since theres only one substitution per object, and even though youre not making filenames) when later discovering this could all be reduced to a single [sprintf] but this object was never mentioned in the docs)
That's because [sprintf] is a cyclone object, so its an external.
- similar crazy dances to things like asd-$0 instead of $0-asd, the
equivalent of say indices [1..3] of a list but sometimes its [2..5] and simulating nested lists
This is fixed in a patch from IOhannes.
.hc
- simulating key / value stuff and naming list elements (via fake
nested lists) so that you dont have to worry so much about ordering stuff, esp when reusing abstractions in difft places, and to be able to think in terms of named variables instead of rememerbing wtf $3 was
i love Mathieu's idea of a documentation for the similarities that all or most classes share - learning all these peculiarities up front would have removed a big barrier of entry in terms of getting up and running fast..
imo a few additions to the message syntax would solve most of these problems and make it much easier to see what a patch does by glancing at it
who does that best? C's sprintf? "or #{@ruby} " or maybe "ecma"+script?
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