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From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at To: Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com Cc: Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu; "pd-dev@iem.at" pd-dev@iem.at Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [PD-dev] Pd-extended-0.43 appearance
On Oct 21, 2011, at 11:56 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
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From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at To: Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu Cc: pd-dev@iem.at Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [PD-dev] Pd-extended-0.43 appearance
That would be great, to make it really work well, we need to move as
much of the
GUI handling to pd-gui and have pd talk only using pd messages. So
something
like this:
pd-gui
\ click in a box to edit the text \ edit the text in the box "osc~ 500" \ click on canvas to create the new object \ pd-gui sends message to pd pd -- \ pd receives ".x872342 updateobj 5 osc~ 500 \ pd recreates obj #5 with "osc~ 500"
Things like that. This also means that we can use Tk's built-in
zooming
support, so we can have patches be fully zoomable to any arbitrary
size.
If you're talking about the canvas scale subcommand, keep in mind that fonts and bitmaps don't get scaled.
I'm talking about tk scaling. I am pretty sure fonts get scaled, but I don't know about bitmaps.
Oh. Fonts specified in point size will get scaled using the tk scale subcommand, but fonts in pixel size (i.e., specified as negative numbers) will not.
Also keep in mind that pd boxes and xlets (and custom guis) are specified with pixel coordinates and don't get scaled by using [tk scale].
Also, you stated below that box sizes are hard coded in both (current)
extended and
vanilla. Does that include box width? If so, that would mean that the
entire pd
diagram-- except for the specific font used-- would appear pixel exact on
any
platform. But the OP is to the contrary, so does hard-coded mean minimums
are
set and extra space is allotted as needed?
The sizes are specified per character.
Maybe a better question is-- could you point me to the spot where the
hard-coded
values are specified?
tcl/pd-gui.tcl, see font_fixed_metrics
.hc
-Jonathan
.hc
On Oct 21, 2011, at 7:48 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
Oh -- I misunderstood.
I like the idea of making this an option (eitehr growing to the
standard
box size or huggung the actual size of the font we're getting).
cheers Miller
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 07:43:17PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner
wrote:
I think we're talking about the box sizes rather than the
font
sizes.
Those can just be hard-coded to a certain size in pixels, then
the font
can be measured to fit into those boxes. That's the
approach that
Pd-extended has been doing since 0.41 or 0.40, I forget which.
That's
how it works in Pd vanilla 0.43 too.
To handle font size differences, the box sizing needs to be
handled in
Tcl, as well as the mouse and click handling. For something
like
clicking to edit an object box, Pd only needs to know what the
new text
is once the editing is done.
Roman, I think the thing to do is to measure the boxes for each
release
in question on each platform so we know where the problem lies.
That's
what I did back in the day to make the boxes the same pixel
sizes.
.hc
On Oct 21, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
Last I checked things were completely inconsistent and no
version
("normal" or extended) got the same font sizes across platforms. If
anyone
can
figure out how to make that work robustly I'm all for
it. One
headache is that I've tried to make PD use natively available
fonts
which
everyone will have - and there simply don't seem to be natively
available fonts
with comparable sizes between Pc/Mac/linux.
cheers Miller
> > I'll check that again. It seemed to me that the
Pd-vanilla
looked
> very > much the same on OS X and Linux, at least since 0.43. I
haven't
> checked > Windows yet. Also I had the impression that Pd-vanilla
doesn't have a
> different appearance across different Linuxes anymore.
I
remember it
> being dependent on some DPI setting, but I haven't
encountered that
> issue anymore. > >> I tried to get these changes into vanilla, but I
guess
Miller didn't
>> want them. I've already spent a lot of time on
it, so
I've moved on
>> since it works in Pd-extended. There should be a
whole
history of
>> the >> discussion on pd-dev, i.e. the details of the
issues. I
don't
>> remember them, I'm sure it was some annoying
technical
details.
>> >> Also, you can see the changes that pd-extended
makes to
puredata but
>> looking at the pd-extended.git in the
'patch_series' branch.
> > Thanks for the explanations. > > Roman > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-dev mailing list > Pd-dev@iem.at > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
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