Pd-dev October 2020

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Compile Wish.app 8.6.10 fails on macOS Catalina (was: What is Wish version of Pd?)
by Nicolas Danet 24 Oct '20

24 Oct '20

Hi. ./tcltk-wish.sh 8.6.10 The command above fails on macOS 10.15.7 ending with that: Undefined symbols for architecture x86_64: "_TclIsSpaceProc", referenced from: _strtoul in libtclstub8.6.a(strtoul.o) ld: symbol(s) not found for architecture x86_64 clang: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation) make[4]: *** [tktest-real] Error 1 make[3]: *** [tktest] Error 2 make[2]: *** [build-tk] Error 2 make[1]: *** [tk] Error 2 make: *** [embedded-deploy] Error 2 I got the same issue with the code from GitHub (release tag) < https://github.com/tcltk/tk/releases/tag/release >. I guess that this tag equals the downloaded sources from SoureForge. The core-8.6.branch < https://github.com/tcltk/tk/tree/core-8-6-branch > compiles fine, but (as i said it in previous thread) seems buggy for now. Anyway it doesn't matter. I can open an issue on GitHub if you want. But TBH it is more a problem for my fork, than for Pd itself!

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Re: [PD-dev] What is Wish version of Pd?
by Dan Wilcox 24 Oct '20

24 Oct '20

> On Oct 23, 2020, at 9:08 PM, pd-dev-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 20:44:24 +0200 > From: Jonas Bechtel <post(a)jbechtel.de <mailto:post@jbechtel.de>> > > Hello, > > I'm coming from the GNU/Linux world, so I cannot reproduce it here. > > AFAIK there's no special dependency on the version. I can run any of pd 0.49 / 0.51 with any of wish 8.5 / 8.6, which are independent packages here. This is not the case with mac as Tcl/Tk development is a bit behind in some areas, mainly the transition from the Carbon to Cocoa framework for Tk. > Maybe you could use a pre-built wish shell (I'm pretty sure there's a Wish.app containing tcl/tk for recent Mac OS) No. Please do not. The version of Tcl/Tk included with macOS for some time is 8.5.9 and is *broken* in a number of ways. This is one reason why we have had to build our own and use it to make the Pd mac .app with embedded Tcl and Tk frameworks. (Another being custom patches currently required for key handling.) This is noted in several places, including the extensive mac/README.txt. > You can even override that with -guicmd CLI option of the compiled C program like this: Instead of starting the pd core, then the GUI, and manually passing the ports, you could just start the GUI with your chosen wish and it will start the core for you: wish tcl/pd-gui.tcl Another option is to override the wish command invoked by the pd core when launching the GUI, using the configure --with-wish. For example, older systems ship with Tk 8.4 and 8.5 and the default "wish" refers to the "wish8.5" app. You could build pd with configure --with-wish wish8.4 to force using Tk 8.4 whenever the core is started first. This is less common for macOS users unless you use a command line alias, etc to start the core form within the app bundle: $ /Applications/Pd-0.##-#/Contents/Resources/bin/pd -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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What is Wish version of Pd?
by Nicolas Danet 23 Oct '20

23 Oct '20

Hi, Can you tell me which are the version of Wish that Pd currently uses by default on macOS? The "wish-shell.tgz" seems to be 8.6.10 but is it from SourceForge? Is it cloned from GitHub? Which branch in that case? I ask because i have hard time to find a branch, a tag, a commit to build Spaghettis with. Most have some bugs, none seems to fully work. For instance the tip seems to have weird rendering when moving objects fast. And the previous i was using doesn't compile anymore on Catalina (10.15.7).

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Re: [PD-dev] What is Wish version of Pd?
by Dan Wilcox 23 Oct '20

23 Oct '20

Howdy Nicolas, As of a few Pd versions ago, it is custom built by Miller, with a patch applied to fix some issues with the key handling. You can also easily build it yourself using the tools provided in the "mac" subdirectory, see the README: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/tree/master/mac <https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/tree/master/mac> The version in the git master branch right now isTcl/Tk 8.6.10 and I will make a PR shortly which includes an updated version of the patch for 8.6.10. The previous version you were using is probably Tcl/Tk 8.5.19 which doesn't build on newer macOS versions. Miller builds the 8.6.10 somehow on OS X 10.6, but it seems to work fine on our newer systems. > On Oct 23, 2020, at 6:33 PM, pd-dev-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 14:54:52 +0200 (CEST) > From: Nicolas Danet <nicolas.danet(a)free.fr <mailto:nicolas.danet@free.fr>> > To: pd-dev <pd-dev(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-dev@lists.iem.at>> > Subject: [PD-dev] What is Wish version of Pd? > Message-ID: > <1081298349.2201689.1603457692932.JavaMail.root(a)zimbra9-e2.priv.proxad.net <mailto:1081298349.2201689.1603457692932.JavaMail.root@zimbra9-e2.priv.proxad.net>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi, > > Can you tell me which are the version of Wish that Pd currently uses by default on macOS? > The "wish-shell.tgz" seems to be 8.6.10 but is it from SourceForge? > Is it cloned from GitHub? > Which branch in that case? > > I ask because i have hard time to find a branch, a tag, a commit to build Spaghettis with. > Most have some bugs, none seems to fully work. > For instance the tip seems to have weird rendering when moving objects fast. > And the previous i was using doesn't compile anymore on Catalina (10.15.7). -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Querying for object resize width
by Derek Kwan 10 Oct '20

10 Oct '20

Hello, Cyclone existed before resizing object boxes was added to Pd and objects that save their information with the patch like [coll] have their own Cyclone ways of saving their information in the save file for a patch so you can resize things like [coll] just fine, but that information doesn't get saved. Is there a way of querying Pd (I'm guessing it'd be via TCL?) of what an object's resize width is so this issue can be fixed and if so, how or where to look? If there isn't, is there a suggested workaround? Thanks! Derek -- Derek Kwan www.derekxkwan.com

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