Pd-dev June 2009

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[ pure-data-Bugs-2806856 ] Possible to connect the same in/outlets multiple times
by SourceForge.net 16 Jun '09

16 Jun '09

Bugs item #2806856, was opened at 2009-06-16 00:30 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by zmoelnig You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2806856&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: None Status: Pending Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Johannes (jpburstrom) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Possible to connect the same in/outlets multiple times Initial Comment: When connecting objects through dynamic patching, pd can connect an outlet several times to the same inlet if sending the same message many times. The attached patch shows this behaviour, and why it can lead to strange and hard to find bugs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: IOhannes m zmlnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2009-06-16 16:51 Message: was it you that just said "so you can't tell whether it's a bug or a feature, and you can reasonably argue for either"? for instance (totally unrelated) you can just duplicate an object with Ctrl-C Ctrl-V and you cannot visually distinguish the two instances (a common pitfall for newbies and oldies). if this would be removed i would be really upset. however, of course i cannot think of being very upset if the duplicate-connection was removed. i just don't think it's a bug - leaving only the "feature" option... also i am not aware of the truth of "the Pd language as its defined has no way to handle multiple connections from the same outlet to the same inlet". please give a reference. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2009-06-16 16:37 Message: zmoelnig, whenever you do anything with pd, you must know what you're doing, and it's also easily possible to keep track of multiple connections if the editor allowed them, by using comment (ctrl-5) or a piece of napkin. As a hypothetical question, if canvas_connect disallowed multiple connections, would you really request a multiple connection feature? see also the article "Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal"... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2009-06-16 16:29 Message: First, the Pd language as its defined has no way to handle multiple connections from the same outlet to the same inlet. The implementation might. The second question then is, is there ever a reason that duplicate connections would be used? They seem to add nothing but confusion. I don't consider confusion a feature. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmlnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2009-06-16 16:13 Message: i would argue that it is a feature. when programmatically creating patches, you really MUST know what you are doing. it is easily possible to keep track of which connections you have done already, so you don't need to double-connect... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2009-06-16 01:21 Message: this happens in canvas_connect in src/g_editor.c and happens in _all_ versions of pd ever, all OSes, etc. it is officially undocumented, so you can't tell whether it's a bug or a feature, and you can reasonably argue for either. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Johannes (jpburstrom) Date: 2009-06-16 01:10 Message: Sorry, here's some more: This is a problem with both pd-0.41.4-extended and pd-0.42.5, on my 64-bit ubuntu 9.04. It seems to happen regardless of sound card and audio API. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2009-06-16 01:03 Message: Please provide as detailed information as possible including which operating system (OS), CPU type, specific hardware, and the exact distro and version of Pd itself, etc. For example: Pd version 0.41.4-extended Mac OS X 10.5.7/Intel built-in sound ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2806856&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-2804290 ] pdp compile fix for x86_64
by SourceForge.net 16 Jun '09

16 Jun '09

Patches item #2804290, was opened at 2009-06-10 13:05 Message generated for change (Settings changed) made by eighthave You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=2804290&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: pd-extended Group: None >Status: Closed >Resolution: Accepted Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Tim Blechmann (timblech) >Assigned to: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Summary: pdp compile fix for x86_64 Initial Comment: compile objects with -fPIC ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2009-06-16 10:48 Message: accepted with this commit: http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=rev&revision=117… ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=2804290&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-2804289 ] pd extended build fix for x86_64
by SourceForge.net 16 Jun '09

16 Jun '09

Patches item #2804289, was opened at 2009-06-10 13:03 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by eighthave You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=2804289&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: pd-extended Group: None >Status: Closed >Resolution: Accepted Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Tim Blechmann (timblech) >Assigned to: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Summary: pd extended build fix for x86_64 Initial Comment: make sure, cyclone is built with -fPIC ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2009-06-16 10:43 Message: accepted in a slightly different form: http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=rev&revision=117… ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=2804289&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-2806856 ] Possible to connect the same in/outlets multiple times
by SourceForge.net 16 Jun '09

16 Jun '09

Bugs item #2806856, was opened at 2009-06-15 22:30 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by nobody You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2806856&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: None Status: Pending Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Johannes (jpburstrom) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Possible to connect the same in/outlets multiple times Initial Comment: When connecting objects through dynamic patching, pd can connect an outlet several times to the same inlet if sending the same message many times. The attached patch shows this behaviour, and why it can lead to strange and hard to find bugs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2009-06-16 14:37 Message: zmoelnig, whenever you do anything with pd, you must know what you're doing, and it's also easily possible to keep track of multiple connections if the editor allowed them, by using comment (ctrl-5) or a piece of napkin. As a hypothetical question, if canvas_connect disallowed multiple connections, would you really request a multiple connection feature? see also the article "Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal"... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2009-06-16 14:29 Message: First, the Pd language as its defined has no way to handle multiple connections from the same outlet to the same inlet. The implementation might. The second question then is, is there ever a reason that duplicate connections would be used? They seem to add nothing but confusion. I don't consider confusion a feature. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmlnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2009-06-16 14:13 Message: i would argue that it is a feature. when programmatically creating patches, you really MUST know what you are doing. it is easily possible to keep track of which connections you have done already, so you don't need to double-connect... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2009-06-15 23:21 Message: this happens in canvas_connect in src/g_editor.c and happens in _all_ versions of pd ever, all OSes, etc. it is officially undocumented, so you can't tell whether it's a bug or a feature, and you can reasonably argue for either. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Johannes (jpburstrom) Date: 2009-06-15 23:10 Message: Sorry, here's some more: This is a problem with both pd-0.41.4-extended and pd-0.42.5, on my 64-bit ubuntu 9.04. It seems to happen regardless of sound card and audio API. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2009-06-15 23:03 Message: Please provide as detailed information as possible including which operating system (OS), CPU type, specific hardware, and the exact distro and version of Pd itself, etc. For example: Pd version 0.41.4-extended Mac OS X 10.5.7/Intel built-in sound ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2806856&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-2806856 ] Possible to connect the same in/outlets multiple times
by SourceForge.net 16 Jun '09

16 Jun '09

Bugs item #2806856, was opened at 2009-06-15 18:30 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by eighthave You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2806856&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: None Status: Pending Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Johannes (jpburstrom) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Possible to connect the same in/outlets multiple times Initial Comment: When connecting objects through dynamic patching, pd can connect an outlet several times to the same inlet if sending the same message many times. The attached patch shows this behaviour, and why it can lead to strange and hard to find bugs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2009-06-16 10:29 Message: First, the Pd language as its defined has no way to handle multiple connections from the same outlet to the same inlet. The implementation might. The second question then is, is there ever a reason that duplicate connections would be used? They seem to add nothing but confusion. I don't consider confusion a feature. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmlnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2009-06-16 10:13 Message: i would argue that it is a feature. when programmatically creating patches, you really MUST know what you are doing. it is easily possible to keep track of which connections you have done already, so you don't need to double-connect... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2009-06-15 19:21 Message: this happens in canvas_connect in src/g_editor.c and happens in _all_ versions of pd ever, all OSes, etc. it is officially undocumented, so you can't tell whether it's a bug or a feature, and you can reasonably argue for either. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Johannes (jpburstrom) Date: 2009-06-15 19:10 Message: Sorry, here's some more: This is a problem with both pd-0.41.4-extended and pd-0.42.5, on my 64-bit ubuntu 9.04. It seems to happen regardless of sound card and audio API. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2009-06-15 19:03 Message: Please provide as detailed information as possible including which operating system (OS), CPU type, specific hardware, and the exact distro and version of Pd itself, etc. For example: Pd version 0.41.4-extended Mac OS X 10.5.7/Intel built-in sound ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2806856&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-2806856 ] Possible to connect the same in/outlets multiple times
by SourceForge.net 16 Jun '09

16 Jun '09

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[ pure-data-Bugs-2806856 ] Possible to connect the same in/outlets multiple times
by SourceForge.net 16 Jun '09

16 Jun '09

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[ pure-data-Bugs-2806856 ] Possible to connect the same in/outlets multiple times
by SourceForge.net 16 Jun '09

16 Jun '09

Bugs item #2806856, was opened at 2009-06-16 00:30 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by jpburstrom You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2806856&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Johannes (jpburstrom) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Possible to connect the same in/outlets multiple times Initial Comment: When connecting objects through dynamic patching, pd can connect an outlet several times to the same inlet if sending the same message many times. The attached patch shows this behaviour, and why it can lead to strange and hard to find bugs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Johannes (jpburstrom) Date: 2009-06-16 01:10 Message: Sorry, here's some more: This is a problem with both pd-0.41.4-extended and pd-0.42.5, on my 64-bit ubuntu 9.04. It seems to happen regardless of sound card and audio API. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2009-06-16 01:03 Message: Please provide as detailed information as possible including which operating system (OS), CPU type, specific hardware, and the exact distro and version of Pd itself, etc. For example: Pd version 0.41.4-extended Mac OS X 10.5.7/Intel built-in sound ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2806856&group_…

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Pd-extended 0.41 and garray_getfloatarray
by Johannes Burström 16 Jun '09

16 Jun '09

Hello I've recently succeeded in compiling Pd-extended 0.41 (from svn) for my linux 64bit machine and encountered this old garray_gfloatarray problem (half-time playback etc). It seems like d_array.c is using the function, both in my svn copy and the released tarball. I replaced d_array.c with the one in svn head, compiled, and everything seems to be fine, so far. Hopefully someone with some more insight in the pd code could take a look at this, and if it looks like it's doable, patch/replace the d_array.c in current extended. regards, Johannes

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[ pure-data-Bugs-2806856 ] Possible to connect the same in/outlets multiple times
by SourceForge.net 16 Jun '09

16 Jun '09

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