Pd-dev November 2008

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GPLv3 and Pd-extended
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 27 Jan '09

27 Jan '09

For the next release of Pd-extended, I think we should release it under the GPL v3, so I am asking to see if there are any objections. This is my understanding of what this would mean: the only real added restriction would be that things included in Pd-extended could not be licensed "GPL v2 only", it would need to be licensed "GPL v2 or later" or BSD-style. If Pd-extended is again released using GPL v2, that means that no GPL v3 code can be included. So releasing Pd-extended as GPL v3 means that people can choose the GPL v3 for code that is included, or they can totally ignore the change, and keep the code as "GPL v2 or later" or BSD-style. Here's a bit of previous discussion on this: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-dev/2006-11/007921.html .hc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John Donne

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poly library
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 23 Dec '08

23 Dec '08

Hey, Now that I am immersing myself in the various versions of *poly, I am thinking the time is ripe for creating a nice, clean library of various poly objects. - polypoly, works with [poly] - instances, for managing addressable instances - voices, for managing voice instances, basically nqpoly4 The key idea is that they all have a common interface and structure so if you know how to use one, you can use another. The first question I have is related to polypoly. I haven't really used it, so I am wondering how useful it is to be able to set the patch and the number of instances via the inlets. .hc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- kill your television

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pointer to struct messages
by Isidro Gonzalez 01 Dec '08

01 Dec '08

Say we are programming an external and we have a user-defined struct like: typedef struct { float dist[8]; float ang[8]; float gain[8]; }loudspeakers; Is there a way to output and receive a pointer to this struct from and to oulets and inlets of pd objects and so communicate the data between them? The outlet_pointer function seems to be only for the t_gpointer type which is a special graphic pointer. Many thanks. Isi

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Request to be added to the PD Sourceforge project as a dev.
by Ilias Anagnostopoulos 01 Dec '08

01 Dec '08

Quote: "Please send your request to the pd-dev mailing list, together with an introduction about your person and what you are doing." So here it is: Hello everyone, My real name is Ilias, but I'm better known as Jesus. I build things, mostly hardware, mostly sound-related, and mostly using analogue electronic circuits. I've built a home-made Analogue Modular Audio/Visual Synthesizer called Bob, which took me two years to complete, while on the road, driving from Greece (where I was born) to the UK (where I live) and back several times. During that period I also performed a lot around Europe and the Balkans with my band (I Knew Them) and with my electronic devices (Jesus is Angry). My most recent project was building a Theremin with a proximity sensor for the pitch and a luminance sensor for the volume. As far as computers are concerned, I am a GNU/Linux user and supporter. My software-views tend to be closer to the Free Software idea, as in Free Speech. I maintain the OtherSide (http://otherside.servebeer.com) which hosts some of my projects. I generally work on software that I really like using, since my inspiration comes from my need to do things that are not already there, or do the things that are there better, if possible. I have been using PD for a while now, mostly as a tool to explore ideas that I then might implement to hardware. I am inspired by the networking side of things when it comes to PD. I have created the OtherSide PD system, a web-based collaborative synthesis system, based on PD but also using IRC, a Python IRC bot, and the festival speech synthesis system, during an MA course in Sonic Art and Media Production, in the University of Sheffield Sound Studios. I am now doing a PhD in Hybrid Modular Synthesis Systems in the same institution where I also teach. I am interested in using computers and analogue electronics to create hybrid systems for audio and video synthesis. I am currently working with PD and have access to a couple of Arduinos to play with. I have created an Ubuntu Intrepid 8.10 Package for PD-extended, which has been added to the list on the website. I am also working on a -functional- 64-bit version of PD-extended, since I have access to a 64-bit Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy system. Unfortunately, since this is in campus and is behind a firewall, it is not easy for me to offer it as a PdLab machine. I'd be happy to do a 64-bit branch when I make it work and offer deb (and maybe rpm) packages. I am trying to convince the Computer Services in the USSS to host an APT repository so I can have these things available there. I'd be equally happy if they were hosted at the existing PD APT. I also have an idea about a PD-server branch, to be used on headless server systems with no GUI, for networking. So to sum up, if you haven't been bored to death reading so far, I'd like to get involved with the PD project as a dev. I've created a Sourceforge account with the username jesushero and name Jesus H. Thanks!! PS: Sorry Gunter, didn't realize until now that the horrible DNS at the University sends emails as user(a)sheffield.ac.uk instead of user(a)shef.ac.uk - Re-registered...

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Re: [PD-dev] [PD] problems installing pd-extended on archlinux
by IOhannes m zmölnig 30 Nov '08

30 Nov '08

moving this to pd-dev as hans has suggested. fabio, if you are not subscirbed to pd-dev please do so at http://lists.puredata.info mbutubuntu wrote: > I'm using gcc version 4.3.1 on Archlinux, please help me, I need > pd-extended... I also have another question, what script must I run > before compiling?? > > auto-build-common prep-auto-build-upload > pd-devel-auto-builder.sh pure-data-cvs-rsync > pd-extended-auto-builder.sh pure-data-cvs-rsync-checkout > pd-extended-release-auto-builder.sh run-automated-builder > pd-main-auto-builder.sh i don't know exactly (since i don't use the build-system), but "pd-extended-auto-builder.sh" should your script. (the other scripts are included/called as needed by this script) i suggest looking at the script beforehand via your favorite editor. hans is of course the one to know the details. >> >>> That's an odd one, it's not finding very basic functions: >>> >>> GemPBuffer.cpp:158: error: 'stderr' was not declared in this scope >>> GemPBuffer.cpp:158: error: 'fprintf' was not declared in this scope >>> >>> >>> >> it could indicate some "problem" with the compiler. >> which compiler (gcc? version?) is being used? >> >> but still...GemPBuffer explicitely includes stdio.h which should give >> you fprintf and stderr... hmm, i just grabbed the archlive-20081118 iso-image and was able to compile an uptodate version of Gem just fine (that is: without any font-rendering, imagemagick nor movie(avi/mov/mpeg) decoding - i did not install any extra packages just using the ones that came with the ISO-image) mfgasdr IOhannes

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[ pure-data-Bugs-2138593 ] string2any missing from Pd-extended on Windows
by SourceForge.net 30 Nov '08

30 Nov '08

Bugs item #2138593, was opened at 2008-09-30 19:09 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by mukau You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2138593&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: None Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Assigned to: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Summary: string2any missing from Pd-extended on Windows Initial Comment: string2any doesn't load on Windows, perhaps its missing. I don't have a Windows machine to test on, but I have seen this on other people's machines. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Bryan Jurish (mukau) Date: 2008-11-30 00:22 Message: ... ok, so I decided on option (2) after all... implemented and checked-in yesterday. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Bryan Jurish (mukau) Date: 2008-09-30 23:33 Message: ... oops, my fault: I removed any2string, string2any, and sprinkler from flatspace a few months ago, since the duplicates seemed to be causing some confusion. See the pd-list archives for August 2008: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-08/064506.html http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-08/064512.html I still maintain that the windoof autobuild machine has a broken version of make, and that v3.79 is not broken in that sense. I also have no windows machine on which to test, so it's a bit difficult for me to support that platform. I see 3 possible solutions at the moment: 1) someone fixes the make on the autobuild machine (opinions, Hans?) - variant "1b": I call an alternate un-broken make from the "moocow" snippet of externals/Makefile instead of using $(MAKE). 2) I stop using macros in externals/moocow/extended/Makefile; possibly even generating windows-specific makefiles for each subdirectory of moocow/ - ugly, time-consuming, and harder to maintain 3) I (or someone else) place any2string and string2any (and maybe sprinkler) back into flatspace - redundant, confusing, help files don't get installed, mismatched versions, ... Of these, (1) and (3) would be easiest for me. I don't care much for (2)... I could deal without the macros on this scale, but they sure are handy... -Bryan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Martin Peach (mrpeach) Date: 2008-09-30 19:38 Message: Works with [flatspace/string2any] on Pd version 0.40.3-extended-20080310 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2138593&group_…

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Mistaken post..
by Ilias Anagnostopoulos 28 Nov '08

28 Nov '08

Apologies for the previous post, wrong place, wrong method.. (I was under the impression I was sending it elsewhere) -Ilias

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OtherSide server down for maintenance during the weekend.
by Ilias Anagnostopoulos 28 Nov '08

28 Nov '08

The OtherSide server (http://otherside.servebeer.com) which is currently hosting an APT repository with PD-extended for Ubuntu Intrepid will be down for a couple of hours during the weekend for maintenance. Checking the logs, I noticed a lot of IP's actually asking for the APT, so I thought I should let you know just in case you experience any downtime. -Ilias

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[ pure-data-Bugs-2333688 ] [route] bugs
by SourceForge.net 25 Nov '08

25 Nov '08

Bugs item #2333688, was opened at 2008-11-23 11:54 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by eighthave You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2333688&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: None Status: Pending Resolution: Invalid Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Roman Haefeli (reduzent) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: [route] bugs Initial Comment: [route] is buggy with certain combinations of creation arguments. case 1) [route 0 bla] send '0': first outlet matches: OK send 'bla': no match: WRONG to trigger the bug, '0' can be replaced by any other float, but not by 'float'. case 2) [route 1 bla] send '0': second outlet matches: WRONG send '1': first outlet matches: OK send '2': no match: OK send 'bla': no match: WRONG the same behaviour is show also with any other non-zero float number as first argument. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2008-11-25 13:53 Message: while this is not technically a bug, I do think it is something that we can do better. For that reason, I encourage you to create a patch illustrating this for the "message oddness" collection. For example, this problem was documented there, albeit poorly, so it would be great to have a better illustration: http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/trunk/doc/additional/… ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Roman Haefeli (reduzent) Date: 2008-11-24 04:19 Message: i see. sorry for the bogus bug report. but yeah, a warning would help. being able to have an invalid combination of arguments without being notified is confusing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmlnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2008-11-24 03:58 Message: i think there are 2 things in your report: - you are mixing floats and symbols in your arguments, which according to the docs is an invalid use of the object: "Route checks the first element of a message against each of its arguments, which may be numbers or symbols (but not a mixture of the two.)"; one could argue that [route] should print a warning if this happens - the 2nd bug you reported is (i believe) related to the the issue fixed in patch #2151892 https://sourceforge.net/tracker2/?func=detail&aid=2151892&group_id=55736&at…; but really it also boils down to an invalid use of the [route] object ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2333688&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-2333688 ] [route] bugs
by SourceForge.net 25 Nov '08

25 Nov '08

Bugs item #2333688, was opened at 2008-11-23 17:54 Message generated for change (Settings changed) made by zmoelnig You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2333688&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: None >Status: Pending Resolution: Invalid Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Roman Haefeli (reduzent) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: [route] bugs Initial Comment: [route] is buggy with certain combinations of creation arguments. case 1) [route 0 bla] send '0': first outlet matches: OK send 'bla': no match: WRONG to trigger the bug, '0' can be replaced by any other float, but not by 'float'. case 2) [route 1 bla] send '0': second outlet matches: WRONG send '1': first outlet matches: OK send '2': no match: OK send 'bla': no match: WRONG the same behaviour is show also with any other non-zero float number as first argument. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Roman Haefeli (reduzent) Date: 2008-11-24 10:19 Message: i see. sorry for the bogus bug report. but yeah, a warning would help. being able to have an invalid combination of arguments without being notified is confusing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmlnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2008-11-24 09:58 Message: i think there are 2 things in your report: - you are mixing floats and symbols in your arguments, which according to the docs is an invalid use of the object: "Route checks the first element of a message against each of its arguments, which may be numbers or symbols (but not a mixture of the two.)"; one could argue that [route] should print a warning if this happens - the 2nd bug you reported is (i believe) related to the the issue fixed in patch #2151892 https://sourceforge.net/tracker2/?func=detail&aid=2151892&group_id=55736&at…; but really it also boils down to an invalid use of the [route] object ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2333688&group_…

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