Pd-dev February 2005

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Re: [PD-dev] definitely check out miller 0.38-test4!
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 10 Feb '05

10 Feb '05

I cc'ed pd-dev since others might be interested... Where can I get your PGP key? I haven't found it and I get an error every time I read one of your emails. On Feb 7, 2005, at 3:59 PM, B. Bogart wrote: > Hey guys, > > The whole pd.app thing still has me very confused. > > Hans, are you using tcl/tk 8.4.9 in your installer? Perhaps I should > use this as the basis of the pixelTANGO stand-alone rather than > millers 0.38-2. The last .app I put out was directly based on Millers, so it used the same version of Tcl/Tk as his. I haven't played with compiled Pd.app with other Tcl/Tk versions. I plan on working on a new version of Pd.app in about a month, once I get past all of my February deadlines. But instead of making a separate pixelTANGO .app, I think we should work to getting pixelTANGO as part of the .app build system, so its part of the CVS build. > (Hans, it seems the at.or.at domain is currently down) Its back. (D'oh! forgot to pay the bills) > Ok I've checked out the packages .app assembler. > > I had to edit the makefile to point at my pd sources. > (please note that in the "patches" section the files to patch are not > called via the PD_FILE_ROOT variable. Also I had to put absolute > pathnames on the patch files for the makefile to find them.) > > I removed the --enable jack part but now the compile fails at linking, > still looking for the jack symbols. I can't find any reference to jack > being linked in the makefile. How can I disable jack? > > I think I'm getting closer... slowly... > > I would really like to get a pd.app using tcl/tk 8.4.9 working!!! It > should not be so difficult. :( the .app thing sure makes it easier for > users, but damn a developer headache. > > For pixelTANGO.app I've decided I'm going to do something like: > > /Applications/pixelTANGO/PD.app > /Applications/pixelTANGO/PD.app/[.app crap in here] > /Applications/pixelTANGO/extra [links to the one inside .app] > /Applications/pixelTANGO/help [ditto] > /Applications/pixelTANGO/fonts [ditto] > /Applications/pixelTANGO/models [ditto] > /Applications/pixelTANGO/abstractions [ditto] > > I see three options in the future for installers > > 1. all the pixelTANGO stuff ends up working in hans's installer Yea! One common Pd platform please! But I think it can hardly be called "Hans' installer" anymore, a number of other people have contributed substantially to it, including Gerard Roma and Miller Puckette. AFAIK, pixelTANGO is a collection of Pd patches, so it should definitely be not too difficult to incorporate into the CVS build system. .hc > 2. the pixelTANGO installer ends up pulling in more of the visual > emphasis to give us two packagers, the "visual" package and the > "audio" package. > 3. they remain seperate and never speak. > > Whats your preference Hans? > > Jamie: did you end up compiling the .app with your tcl/tk version? > > Thanks guys, > > B> > > Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: >> On Sep 3, 2004, at 9:51 AM, James Tittle II wrote: >>> ...just a short note: even though it's based on 8.4.4, out of total >>> curiousity I just ran the ol' "testQuartz.pd" patch...under >>> quickdraw, it used to be a big cpu hog, but now it's not? The new >>> packaged pd.app shows up as Pd and pd in top, and neither of them >>> seem to break 10% cpu on my machine, even with all the counters >>> going! >>> >>> ...otoh, I just built 0.38-0test4 from source, this time against >>> 8.5, and for one thing it doesn't auto assemble the pd.app...so, ya >>> have to launch from cmdline, and that just uses wish shell again, >>> which is also back to it's huge cpu usage :-( >>> >>> Big question: is the pd.app packaging code going to be included in >>> the makefile? >> Its based on what's in the CVS in packages/darwin_app. Hopefully, >> Miller's changes will soon be merged in. You need to use the Tcl/Tk >> Standalone Wish Shell.app to build it. So in order to build an 8.5 >> version, you'll have to make an 8.5 Wish Shell.app standalone that >> has the Frameworks included. >> .hc >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> __ ____ >> "Information wants to be free." >> -Stewart Brand >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-dev mailing list >> PD-dev(a)iem.at >> http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-dev >> ________________________________________________________________________ ____ There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste

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a consistent crash
by ix＠replic.net 09 Feb '05

09 Feb '05

this happens about every 90 seconds just playing around with the version in CVS head: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. [Switching to Thread 16384 (LWP 20910)] 0x0000002a95e330fc in malloc_set_state () from /lib/libc.so.6 (gdb) where #0 0x0000002a95e330fc in malloc_set_state () from /lib/libc.so.6 #1 0x0000002a95e3552f in calloc () from /lib/libc.so.6 #2 0x00000000004465d7 in getbytes (nbytes=8) at m_memory.c:24 #3 0x0000000000446850 in binbuf_text (x=0x6e01b0, text=0x2a95fd2028 "\030 ?\225*", size=3) at m_binbuf.c:63 #4 0x000000000044fc7e in socketreceiver_read (x=0x6e0400, fd=3820) at s_inter.c:401 #5 0x000000000044ec11 in sys_domicrosleep (microsec=8, pollem=-1778573272) at s_inter.c:169 #6 0x000000000044f94c in sys_pollgui () at s_inter.c:787 #7 0x000000000044c536 in m_scheduler () at m_sched.c:456 #8 0x000000000044e5fd in sys_main (argc=0, argv=0x7fbfffee20) at s_main.c:293 #9 0x0000002a95de7821 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6 #10 0x000000000040fb6a in _start () i suppose i could dig thru all of the mentioned .c files above..but does anything stick out as a particularly juicy point to start? c

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Re: [PD] Re: [PD-dev] API documentation
by Ian Smith-Heisters 09 Feb '05

09 Feb '05

Switched to PD-Dev, since posting to pd-list initially was a mistake. > while it provides a quite complete and well to navigate source documentation it lacks a bit in visual elegance (yes: good looking matters :-) There's support for custom CSS, which I'll do up all nice looking. > what speaks for headerdoc is that it only requires you to edit the > header files: .c files remain small. > Doxygen could easily be configured to only look at .h files. > the APSL is ok. (especially as we do not seek to distribute the software > - we just run it). but it is a problem that headerdoc seems to be > mac-only (maybe just a matter of compiling it for linux). > when all else is equal, I'll go for the GPL just out of superstition > > some wikis propose that you generate a new entry when no entry for a > specific name is found, so maybe we just need to link to a specific page > for every name and have a fallback when the page does not exist. > This is what I'm hoping. If not I could write a perl script to create a new wiki page for each entry we need, but I think the wiki would automatically do it. A quick experiment with my school's wiki (tiki I think) shows that this is indeed the case :) Best, Ian

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sys_sleepgrain
by Thomas Grill 06 Feb '05

06 Feb '05

Hi all, i just noticed that in m_sched.c the value of sys_sleepgrain is always the same (5000 = 5ms), no matter which amount of latency i specified in the audio settings. This seems to be that way because the value of sys_sleepgrain is initialized when the scheduler is started and is not updated afterwards. Could be the cause of some latency-related troubles, or am i overlooking something? best greetings, Thomas

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rfft~, rifft~ bug fix
by musil＠iem.at 05 Feb '05

05 Feb '05

hi all, i warm up an old thread (jan. 2002, from marius schebella) the objects rfft~ and rifft~ are dropping the Nyquist bin, and the imaginary part of rfft~ is inverted, but it corresponds to rifft~. for music it is ok, for scientific use we should fix this bug. i put the Nyquist-bin at the N/2+1. element of the real array. (1. element is DC, 2. to N/2 are the frequencies between of the real part; 1. element is 0, 2. to N/2 are the other freq., N/2+1 is 0 of the imaginary part, N is the blocksize). so we have now N/2+1 relevant complex frequency bins. the other solution would be: put the Nyquist bin to the place of the unused 1. element of the imaginary array. i think this is not the best idea because if you compute the power spectrum of noise~, you would have both energies on the 1. bin, DC plus Nyquist. the file d_fft.c is attached, it was written on a windows-computer, the changes are marked with /* tm 01.2005 */ cheers, thomas musil

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[Fwd: Re: [PD-dev] updating pd.app .38-2 to tcl/tk 8.4.9]
by B. Bogart 01 Feb '05

01 Feb '05

Hey Martin, After replacing the tcl/tk frameworks I got an error when trying to run pd in the console: alloc: invalid block: 0xa08fc9c: a 80 0 and it would not run. I actually just not noticed that I'm getting some serious errors in the OSX console. (I guess since its a .app osx does keep track of crashes) I've attached the log to this email if it means anything to anyone. B> Martin Pichlmair wrote: > > hi ben, > > i don't know why you have to do more than replacing the libraries. isn't > tcl/tk dynamically bound? > > also: would you send me some of the promised screenshots, please. > > lg > martin > > > On Jan 31, 2005, at 19:09, B. Bogart wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> How do I update the tcl/tk version in the pd.app .38-2 to tcl8.4.9? >> >> I've replaced the frameworks folders with the 8.4.9 versions, >> >> then ./configure >> >> ./configure cannot find tk but seems to see tcl8.4 (it seems to be >> looking somewhere non OSX, like in /usr/local and not >> /library/frameworks. >> >> If I compile anyway it seems to work largely, except the resultant pd >> binary does not work as I expect. >> >> If I run the binary from terminal in bin/ then it works fine, but if I >> copy the binary to pd.app/Contents/MacOS/Pd and then run from terminal >> I get: >> >> Error in startup script: couldn't read file "../bin/pd.tk": no such >> file or directory. >> >> and sticks there. >> >> If I double-click on the Pd.app PD does not start, but I get a list of >> PD flags in the osx console window. (pd -help) and then quits. >> >> If I double click on the Pd binary in Contents/MacOS then the same >> thing happens as when running the binary from terminal in this >> directory. (the error comes up in a new terminal window) >> >> Finally to get PD to load I need to double-click on the binary in >> Resources/bin/ . I get a new terminal window printing out some MIDI >> driver stuff, and poof the pd window comes up. It is using the new >> version of tcl/tk apparently, since I get anti aliasing on the >> patcher. Somewhere along this process the PD icon has disappeared from >> the pd.app (back to the default application icon) >> >> >> So after the story the questions are: >> >> 1. How to I make double-clicking on the pd.app load PD properly? >> 2. What is the proper procedure to generate a pd.app with a newer >> tcl/tk version? (I followed Miller's notes to Jamie from 38 test 4 but >> this is as far I got) >> 3. How can I make sure that this pd.app is self-contained and does not >> depend on a version of tcl/tk installed on the machine? >> >> In case anyone wants to know I'm upgrading to 8.4.9 so that I can use >> the pd.app with a version of tcl/tk that supports anti-aliasing in the >> patcher. (which makes small type (eg 8 pt) readable.) I'm setting >> "tk::mac::CGAntialiasLimit 0" in pd.tk to make all lines anti-aliased. >> >> Which I think makes PD look amazing on OSX, and I would love to see it >> the standard PD look on OSX. I'll attach screen shots of the >> difference if anyone wants to see. >> >> Thanks >> Ben >> >> >> ********** Host Name: admins-Computer.local Date/Time: 2005-02-01 12:06:20 -0500 OS Version: 10.3.7 (Build 7S215) Report Version: 2 Command: pd Path: /Users/admin/work/pd/bin/pd Version: ??? (???) 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