Pd-dev August 2004

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Re: [PD-dev] vst~ beta download
by Koray Tahiroglu 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

Frank Barknecht wrote: > Frank Barknecht wrote: > >What would "Pd instruments" be? > > I would say it's something like a VSTi for Pd (and implemented in Pd). > > I friend gave me a short tutorial for Reaktor, which is similar to Pd, > but everything is organized in Ensembles, Instruments, Macros and > Structures. It might be the same thing that runs in Reaktor, I don't know so much about it, but what I am tryin to propose is to have some kind of Virtual Midi Instruments inside the PD that will communicate with PD MIDI objects directly. >Well, then I guess it's similar to what I intend to realize with the >RRADical patches: modular, higher level instruments ready to use >inside Pd. Frank, can you tell me more about these RRADical patches? Do you have any demo or running version? koray. ----------------- M.Koray Tahiroglu DA student/researcher Media Lab, University of Art and Design Helsinki, TaiK Hameentie 135C 00560 Helsinki Finland http://mlab.uiah.fi/~korayt/ tel: +358 40 754 8449 fax: +358 9 75630 555

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Re: [PD-announce] vst~ beta download
by Koray Tahiroglu 23 Aug '04

23 Aug '04

Hello everybody, I would like to ask if anybody has a future plan for developing vst~ object for MacOSX? beside that, it would be really nice to have "PD Instruments" inside Pure Data, so that there would not be any need for external instruments. I don't know if it is possible to implement PD Instruments as a package that runs inside the PD, but it is a kind request:-) ----------------- M.Koray Tahiroglu DA student/researcher Media Lab, University of Art and Design Helsinki, TaiK Hameentie 135C 00560 Helsinki Finland http://mlab.uiah.fi/~korayt/ tel: +358 40 754 8449 fax: +358 9 75630 555 --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Thomas Grill" <gr(a)grrrr.org> To: "pd-announce" <pd-announce(a)iem.kug.ac.at> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:38:23 +0200 Subject: [PD-announce] vst~ beta download Reply-To: pd-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at Hi all, since i'd like to have vst~ released in the next future, i put a beta download on my website, which will be updated regularly. Find it at http://grrrr.org/ext/vst Please report any non-functioning or strange-looking vst plugins so that i can fix the remaining bugs. best greetings, Thomas --__--__--

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RRADical newstyle [Was: Including abstractions in ... ]
by Frank Barknecht 23 Aug '04

23 Aug '04

distros] Reply-To: In-Reply-To: <20040823075757.GA3364(a)fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: > I still have to do some more testing, but if everything works reliably > that way I intend to change the RRADical patches to use a structure > like that. While talking about this: I did a little test release of the new style, namespace-safe RRADical patches here: http://footils.org/cms/sql/show/22 It's not well tested yet, it's more a proof of concept. I would welcome comments on this. Should I go on in this direction? Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__

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Building cvs pd dev branch on windows
by Bartlomiej Bazior 23 Aug '04

23 Aug '04

Hello I've got some problems with building pd devel_0_37 from cvs. I wanted to build it with threaded soundfiler ,since at the moment I'm working on a patch that will allow me to trigger (in live performance) audio samples, and play them "in sync" at diffrent speeds. So I modified makefile.nt (changed paths to visual c++ 7, header files, libs etc.) and added "-DTHREADED_SF -DGARRAY_THREAD_LOCK" to CFLAGS. Compilation goes with no problems to the moment where d_soundfile.c is trying to be compiled, and whole pages of errors are thrown on the console (log-> http://www.ckmedia.pl/~fev/error.txt). Then I've tried without the threaded soundfiler, (just to check things out) and the building process went well, but the built version is HIGHLY unstable (putting dac~ object and turning on dsp is enough to "hang" pd). So my qestions are: 1. Does threaded soundfiler work on windows? 2. Is this devel branch so buggy, or I'm doing something wrong? (maybe some windoze stuff?) BTW pd-0.37-4 is building and working nicely, but I'd really love to have that threaded soundfiler working :-/ Thanks. cheers, Bart

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MacOS X Test Version and Video Externals
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 23 Aug '04

23 Aug '04

A while back there was discussion about problems with window focus on MacOS X when using GEM and maybe GridFlow or PDP. Gerard's test release ( http://pure-data.info/Members/gerard/pd-0.37.4.dmg ) behaves mostly like a native MacOS X app, so I am wondering whether this has helped with the focus issues. If not, what needs to be done in order to fix them? I'd like to make this next release the "video" release, in that all of the video externals are part of the package and work well out of box. .hc ________________________________________________________________________ ____ "[W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity." -John Gilmore

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pd-osc on OSX
by adam overton 21 Aug '04

21 Aug '04

hello there sorry to jump aboard the pd-dev list as a newbie, but i just wanted to relate some problems i had downloading and compiling pd-osc for OSX, and how i ended up troubleshooting them -- with the hope of either getting feedback on what i *really* should have done, or so that the maintainer of pd-osc may update the docs so that it'll be easier for folks like me to get it going later on. here's what happened: ... i noticed the new disclaimer on the pure-data site regarding the new status of pd-osc, that now it's not actively distrbuted by the pd site... i've seen two versions of the pd-osc external, the newest version at http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/pure-data/externals/OSCx/ (which is where i'm directed to go from the pd site), and an older version at the pd sourceforge site. query # 1: when i got to the site with the newer version, i couldn't figure out for the life of me how to download the entire contents of the OSCx directory all at once. i had to download each file one at a time. for future reference, is there a way to do this quickly and with one command that i don't know about? as for the older version on sourceforge, i was able to easily download the whole thing happily in one shot, but jeez, i really wanted the newest one, not the 2002 version... ... here are some things that i had to mangle with as an OSX user trying to compile this stuff - these are the points where i'd either like some advice on what i should've done instead, or if i did what i was supposed to, then maybe the docs could be updated or modified for future users... i couldn't find the email addy of the maintainer of pd-osc in any of the docs, so that's why i'm sending this message here to the dev list... i imagine he's a lurker... ... first off, i had to change the permissions of the configure file so that it could be executed, otherwise 'permission denied'. chmod u+x configure i imagine this executable bit was just lost in the download process... ... next, i had to make sure to change my pd folder from 'pd-0.37-2' to just plain 'pd' or else the scripts in the configure file wouldn't know where to look for or put pd-related stuff... ... at the website (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/pure-data/externals/OSCx/ ), i didn't download the file 'install.sh' because it was blank, or 'configure.h.in' because my browser kept telling me the file didn't exist (it also showed up blank when i viewed it). dummy files. after some mangling with ./configure, i finally downloaded the blank 'install.sh' and created a blank doc called 'configure.h.in' and ./configure was finally happy... .. then, i was able to make it through './configure' and 'make' alright, but then when i got to 'make install' (as the superuser of course), i came across this error: install -m644 *.pd_linux /usr/lib/pd/extra install: *.pd_linux: No such file or directory make[1]: *** [install] Error 71 make: *** [install] Error 2 after some additional mangling, i went into OSCx/src/makefile and changed the line install -m644 *.pd_linux $(prefix)/lib/pd/extra #i assume an artifact from the linux-users compilation to install -m644 *.pd_darwin $(prefix)/lib/pd/extra and everything i think compiled alright... ... okay, so then after everything had finally compiled fine, after some investigation i discover that all of the wonderful new docs and externals have been thrown into an invisible folder (at least invisible to OSX's finder) that i really don't want to ever use (maybe someone can convince a good reason why i should): /usr/lib/pd/extra and /usr/lib/pd/doc to overrule this, i then type a final command: cp -R /usr/lib/pd/extra /Applications/Apps.Audio/pd/ cp -R /usr/lib/pd/doc /Applications/Apps.Audio/pd/ which adds the needed externals and docs into their pleasant places... ... alrighty. so, basically, if someone has the time, please enlighten me to whether there could've been a way quicker and easier way for me to do all of this... and if not (and even if so, perhaps), it'd be super if the readme docs for pd-osc (and possibly even some of the installation docs) could be amended and updated to reflect these possible mods. awesome. thanks so much for your help. adam aoverton(a)calarts.edu 661.373.8679 cell ... 661.294.1885 hm http://www.calarts.edu/~aoverton ... check out inter/meta/trans, a new mailing list for live art and performance http://shoko.calarts.edu/mailman/listinfo/intermetatrans

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promblem compiling pool
by gerard van dongen 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Hi all, when I try to compile the pool external I get the following error: g++ -c -O2 -DFLEXT_SYS=2 -I/usr/local/lib source/pool.cpp -o pd-linux/pool.o source/pool.cpp: In member function `BL pooldir::LdDirXML(std::istream&, int, bool)': source/pool.cpp:866: no matching function for call to `pooldir::LdDirXMLRec( std::basic_istream<char, std::char_traits<char> >&, I&, BL&, flext_single::AtomList)' source/pool.cpp:719: candidates are: BL pooldir::LdDirXMLRec(std::istream&, int, bool, flext_single::AtomList&) make: *** [pd-linux/pool.o] Error 1 Which seems pretty strange to me. However I don't know enough C++ to figure out what to do. It almost seems like a typecast is missing but which one and why? This is with gcc 3.2.2 btw regards Gerard

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Pd for 64-bit linux
by Miller Puckette 16 Aug '04

16 Aug '04

Hi developers, I don't have a 64-bit machine handy but would like to try to make Pd runnable on 64-bit linux... I looked in Pd-devel and saw that some, but not all, of the "%x" formatting in calls to sys_vgui() was changed to "%lx", like this: sprintf(buf, ".x%lx", (t_int)owner); but that most of the time, pointers are simpy fed to "%x" like this: sys_vgui(".x%x.c focus %s\n", canvas, x->x_tag); I think the correct thing would be as in, sys_vgui(".x%lx.c focus %s\n", (t_int)canvas, x->x_tag); which is to say, explicityly type "canvas" (or other pointers) to pointer-size integers and then feed to "%lx" format. But before I make this change systematically (hundreds of lines affected) I thought I should ask: do we think this is the most portable formulation? thanks Miller

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String outlput
by Thomas Ouellet Fredericks 16 Aug '04

16 Aug '04

Hi, I possess very little knowledge of C++ but I need to build a WIN32 PD external based on a third pardy API. My main problem is how do I output a String? The external is for integration with a sensor system called Ubisense. In the following code snippet, I need to find the name of an Object (the name of a sensor) and output it throught a Pure Data outlet. Would it be easier to use outlet_symbol()? If so how? ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Map<Object, Location> locations; //Create map Map<Object, Location>::const_iterator Map_Iter; //Create map iterator PdLocationClient->get_all_locations(locations); //Fill the Map with the objects and their locations String name; //Not sure this is a proper aproach for (Map_Iter = locations.begin ( ); Map_Iter != locations.end(); ++Map_Iter) //Unfold the Map { outlet_float(x->z_out, Map_Iter->second.pos_.z_ ); //output z location outlet_float(x->y_out, Map_Iter->second.pos_.y_ ); //output y location outlet_float(x->x_out, Map_Iter->second.pos_.x_ ); //output x location PdNameClient->get_object_name(Map_Iter->first, name); //Get the human readable Object name //bool get_object_name (const Object &object, String &name) //PROBLEMS START HERE array<char> namearray = name->ToCharArray() ; //???Convert the String to a char array???? outlet_anything(x->name_out, &s_symbol, name->Length , *namearray); //???Output the char array??? void outlet_anything(t_outlet *x, t_symbol *s, int argc, t_atom *argv); } } ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Any help appreciated. Tom

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planning to attempt to upload 0.38 to CVS
by Miller Puckette 15 Aug '04

15 Aug '04

Hi all, I'm finally going to bite the bullet and try to check my Pd sources into the CVS site. I'm hoping to do this without causing too much damage to the existing CVS tree. Probably I'll just start a branch (named "msp-test" or something like that) and then, once I believe 0.38 is stable, copy it over to the "main" branch. My sources are way broken right now, so I won't be doing this until at least sometime next week. So there's plenty of time for comments as to whether there's a better way to manage the tree... cheers Miller

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