11 Apr
2013
11 Apr
'13
3:43 p.m.
Err... picture(s), screenshot(s)? Maybe on a separate linked page?
BTW it seems the wiki is invaded by spammers (?) https://puredata.info/recently_modified
András
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.comwrote:
cool, let's put it online. I'm also to link all that can be sensibly linked.
then of course it stays open to corrections.
-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:33 PM, András Murányi <muranyia@gmail.com>wrote: > I think it's mature enough to go online. > Then of course it will still be open for currections or new ideas. > > Linking (from words like "download", "GEM", etc etc) is something we > haven't discussed - I'm personally for linking everything that can be, and > for linking one topic only once. > > > András > > > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Nicolas Montgermont < > nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote: > >> cool, >> >> good for me. >> n >> >> Le 10/04/13 11:31, Marco Donnarumma a écrit : >> >> hey all, >> >> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00 >> >> I just made some edit (in dark violet). >> I also copied the previous text below. >> >> It looks good for me, I simply reformulated some sentences, trying to >> make it extremely clear. >> >> let me know, >> cheers! >> >> >> -- >> Marco Donnarumma >> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. >> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. >> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com >> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com >> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel@thesaddj.com>wrote: >> >>> hey, >>> I'm touring in Poland until next week. >>> I'll take a look when I'm back on monday 8th, if that's not too late. >>> >>> cheers, >>> M >>> >>> -- >>> Marco Donnarumma >>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. >>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. >>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com >>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com >>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM, András Murányi <muranyia@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> OK, I've made a light review. >>>> It would be nice if other people took a look too before we settle on >>>> it. >>>> >>>> András >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Nicolas Montgermont < >>>> nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>>> hello all, >>>>> >>>>> it should be nice to have any opinion on that. It's been nearly two >>>>> months now. >>>>> you can edit directly online or comment here. >>>>> Best, >>>>> n >>>>> >>>>> Le 26/01/13 10:37, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit : >>>>> >>>>> updated once agin: >>>>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00 >>>>> >>>>> i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and eventually >>>>> to cancel the corrections I've made. >>>>> Please edit directly or comment, correct! >>>>> best, >>>>> n >>>>> >>>>> Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit : >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Le 23/01/13 20:16, András Murányi a écrit : >>>>> >>>>> I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is, >>>>> to avoid extra iterations. >>>>> I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd paragraph: >>>>> >>>>> I think as well it must be corrected. >>>>> >>>>> the points about pd being free and being available in source are >>>>> missing now, >>>>> >>>>> I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of the text says >>>>> it's an open source software, I am not sure it's necessary. >>>>> >>>>> as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than >>>>> vanilla+externals but it's also patched. >>>>> >>>>> I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to explain >>>>> Pd-extended in one line. >>>>> >>>>> Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but rather >>>>> "maintained" by him as it contains code from various authors. >>>>> >>>>> please edit, I think it's just a question of adding "mainly" >>>>> somewhere. >>>>> >>>>> So, at the end, I personally prefer how this paragraphed looked >>>>> before the last commit. >>>>> All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not program >>>>> code) *please* give some reasons/rationale when you make change changes: >>>>> why did you do what you did, what is the improvement? Otherwise we might >>>>> just keep changing until the end of times :o) >>>>> >>>>> You are right: >>>>> What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the informations. I >>>>> think it's much more relevant for a newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd >>>>> extended, than to know Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is more >>>>> looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an introduction to the >>>>> Pd universe. For example, GEM was not mentionned once in the whole text, >>>>> but cyclone was. In the end, it is more an introduction for developpers, >>>>> than for users. What I think we must correct. It's a matter of balancing >>>>> the informations, and to start from the beginning. >>>>> >>>>> I don't think we need the extra paragraph about graphical >>>>> programming, but a picture of an actual patch would tell a lot (without >>>>> words). >>>>> >>>>> I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the word is only >>>>> used once in the text in the sentence: >>>>> It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches ("abstractions") >>>>> or by utilising object classes ("externals"). >>>>> >>>>> No words are written on what is a patch. And I think it's totally >>>>> fundamental. >>>>> >>>>> I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph either - they >>>>> are two different points (extendability, history). >>>>> >>>>> If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in a sentence >>>>> where Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max explanations worth a look for >>>>> comparisons with pd's: >>>>> http://cycling74.com/whatismax/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph: >>>>> The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and maintained by Miller >>>>> Puckette and includes the work of many developers, making the whole >>>>> package very much a community effort. >>>>> >>>>> is redundant now. >>>>> >>>>> It should be nice to have other opinions on all that? >>>>> We are close to publishing :) >>>>> Best, >>>>> n >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> http://nim.on.free.fr >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>