Pdweb March 2012

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Re: [Pdweb] from scott - Exhibition page particulars and design ideas
by Marco Donnarumma 16 Mar '12

16 Mar '12

Ok, thanks Scott. I'm gonna look into this. Apparently, the simple command could also work fine. I'm not sure about addons at the moment, as the version of Plone we use is apparently a bit out of date. Also, I don't know about the feasibility of requiring a thumbnail for each project added to the exhibition page. I mean, I agree, but don't know if we can implement that, or we would need another addon. Will send update.. M On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Scott R. Looney <scottrlooney(a)gmail.com>wrote: > .hc wrote: >> > > >> The grid idea sounds good, something like this? >> http://processing.org/exhibition/ > > > yup, exactly like that... > > > i'm attaching the zip file of the thumbnails here. they are ordered by > order of appearance on the Exhibition page. basically i just took an > appropriate screen from each video. > > I think the exhibition page will require some python customization, I >> think want we want is called a Template, but I could be wrong: >> http://plone.org/products/plonetemplates > > > > as for methods of getting a grid view: > > http://plone.org/documentation/kb/create-a-photo-album > > this method looks like the easiest with static content. however, i think > this is content generated by each poster to the Exhibition page from an > entry form with tabs for various sections entered by each user. > > so first we need to modify the form to add a thumbnail tab for future > entries and then display the output results as a grid form with unique > links for each title and picture thumbnail pair. i think the CMS should be > able to configure the entry so that the text title and picture > automatically link to the picture. some sort of character width per grid > would need to be set. > > this link might be helpful: > > http://www.noenieto.com/blog/theming-plone-4-part-2 > > > here are the links to the addons i found for plone. this is one found by > searching 'photo': > > http://plone.org/products/collective.gallery > > also found this one sometime later. looks more full featured but maybe a > bit overkill?: > > http://plone.org/products/plone-true-gallery > > > as far as having a template, yes i believe you'd either need to change the > template for that center section on the top Exhibition page or have an > addon modify behavior or layout on that template. > > scott > >> >> >> On Mar 12, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: >> >> Hi Scott, >> >> nice one, thanks. Where are the thumbnails? >> >> I also had a similar idea about the Exhibition page, grid-like layout, >> pretty classical but nice. >> However, I can't do that with css only as Plone uses tables.. >> (aarrrrrrgghhh) >> >> So, I will have to look into this and figure out something. >> You mentioned an addon to modify only a single page, do you have a link? >> >> M >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Scott R. Looney <scottrlooney(a)gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >>> hey there - i don't know why i decided to stay up and do this after i >>> said i was too busy, but i've now made thumbnails for every listed project >>> in the Exhibitions, ready to upload and deploy to the submission page. >>> >>> what i propose is to place the images in a grid style, with brief text >>> below. clicking on either the image or the text will then send you to the >>> defined Exhibition subpage for that entry. so we need a way to distribute a >>> bunch of thumbnail images with text, in a grid or table like format, 3 or 4 >>> across. not sure how exactly that's done in Plone or whether one needs an >>> addon for it to make it easier. >>> >>> if you think the design is cool then the thumbnail should be a >>> requirement for anyone wanting to post something in the Exhibition section. >>> just add it to the form for Exhibition submissions. >>> >>> scott >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pdweb mailing list >>> Pdweb(a)iem.at >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Marco Donnarumma >> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. >> ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) >> The University of Edinburgh, UK >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com >> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | >> http://www.flxer.net >> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Pdweb mailing list >> Pdweb(a)iem.at >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, >> Jr. >> >> >> > -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net

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Re: [Pdweb] [PD] Editing CSS style, make pd.info better? [WAS: puredata.info site design provocation]
by András Murányi 14 Mar '12

14 Mar '12

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:42, Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont(a)yahoo.fr> wrote: > Hello marco and all, > > maybe that discussion should go on the pdweb list, no ? otherwise i don't > know what it is made for... > so i am moving it to pdweb [...] > comments in the mail > > when you click "development" you mean? This can be normally easily changed > but if Iohannes has done that there must be a reason. > Yes sorry I meant "development", I'll reply to the other things in a new mail... András

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Re: [Pdweb] [PD] Editing CSS style, make pd.info better? [WAS: puredata.info site design provocation]
by András Murányi 14 Mar '12

14 Mar '12

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 04:20, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)at.or.at> wrote: > > On Mar 11, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Scott R. Looney wrote: > > > yes i have to admit i'm starting to judge the relevancy of a website at > least in part with design modernity. was just looking at various open > source 3D gaming engines and i could instantly tell the 2003-2007 era from > the 2008-2012 era. i still investigated what each site had to offer, but > graphic presentation added to the friendliness/accessibility factor. sites > like the current Processing site and Openframeworks.cc seem cleaner and > easier to both attract users and navigate. > > > > my thoughts on the design: > > > > overall an excellent beginning to a new look! it started me thinking > about possible further improvements. so consider this a design brainstorm > thingy with NO obligation that anyone has to do what i'm suggesting > (especially Marco who started the ball rolling). i don't have any time to > do it at the moment (i'm avoiding grading right now) but it certainly gives > me ideas, so here we go: > > > > Navigation > > > > i'm not pushing this but it seems like side based navigation is sort of > less common on modern websites? the look is pretty modern and clean > however. Processing (2 columns) and Ofx (2 or 3 - not sure) both use top > navigation which i think draws the eye better. i resisted top nav for a > while but i think it relates better to subject matter. bigger more graphic > pictures on the front page of various projects i think will attract more > attention to the artistic aspects. a better top banner is a MUST. > > > > Exhibition page > > > > should definitely be overhauled with a much more graphic look whenever > possible. Marco's Xth-Sense, Billy's Helmholtz ship animation any other > graphic demonstrations of PD in action in realtime either audio wise or > using video manipulation ala Gem or whatever should be there in plain view, > not just a link to someone's website. No idea if Plone can do graphic grid > placement of thumbnails for videos but that's what comes to mind. i'm not > against a carousel video thing, but i think it's a consideration for future > design. > > > > if it's just a patch processing audio, i don't know, maybe some audio > examples of the patch via a jquery-type player onscreen? the idea is to get > folks interested equally in what PD can do as well as finding out more > information about the artist if they are so inclined. > > Sounds like good ideas. If you think those projects should be on the > exhibition page, you should just add them: > http://puredata.info/docs/sitedocs/AddingToTheExhibition > > The only rule is that you can't put projects in the exhibition that you > had something to do with (no self-promotion). > > > > Downloads and Distributions - separate categories > > > > at the moment if i wanted to find out what PD-vanilla or PD-extended > was, i'd have to go to the Downloads page. i'm not sure if that's intuitive > enough. if i wanted to find out what a distribution was about versus > downloading it, i'm not sure if i'd go to Downloads. > > > > so maybe something labeled Distributions? then put PD-vanilla, > PD-extended, and something like l2ork there? i see a huge amount of talk on > the list from Ivo about his version and some of it's benefits. i think it > should be listed there. there should be Download links of course as well. > > > > Such a page might also be called 'About PD', give a brief > history/description of how PD itself works and then the other variants > listed below with download links? > > One of the download sections is labels "distros". Not good enough? > > .hc Wouldn't l2ork belong there? If yes, is it technically possible to have it updated there? András

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Home page text content
by Marco Donnarumma 13 Mar '12

13 Mar '12

So, I'm fiddling with the home page. The textual content is clearly out of date. I just moved up and down some paragraphs to give prominence to the real thing first, and the geeky thing after. Also added a mention about libpd and rjdj which was missing. If there's anything political about that let me know and Ill take it out. However, we need to reformulate this: "Recent developments include a system of abstractions for building performance environments; a library of objects for physical modeling; and a library of objects for generating and processing video in realtime." These are the "recent" developments from 2009 I take it. Is somebody willing to reformulate this statements making it more related to present advances? I'm looking for some pics, possibly keeping the same subject of the old pictures. -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net

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"Related" box
by András Murányi 13 Mar '12

13 Mar '12

I just went to http://puredata.info/downloads/by-category/distribution and it's the first time I saw the box in the left column called "Related". It's a mess. :) András

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Editable and logged in pages restyled
by Marco Donnarumma 12 Mar '12

12 Mar '12

(I'm writing a different email for each main topic, so to keep better track of each of them) I restyled also the editable pages, and the logged in look. Give it a try and send feedback please :) If nobody reply I'll assume it looks fine. Also, I disabled the bold font which would appear on certain pages, like a personal profile, or the exhibition page. -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net

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from scott - Exhibition page particulars and design ideas
by Scott R. Looney 12 Mar '12

12 Mar '12

hey there - i don't know why i decided to stay up and do this after i said i was too busy, but i've now made thumbnails for every listed project in the Exhibitions, ready to upload and deploy to the submission page. what i propose is to place the images in a grid style, with brief text below. clicking on either the image or the text will then send you to the defined Exhibition subpage for that entry. so we need a way to distribute a bunch of thumbnail images with text, in a grid or table like format, 3 or 4 across. not sure how exactly that's done in Plone or whether one needs an addon for it to make it easier. if you think the design is cool then the thumbnail should be a requirement for anyone wanting to post something in the Exhibition section. just add it to the form for Exhibition submissions. scott

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New puredata.info - further improvements
by Marco Donnarumma 12 Mar '12

12 Mar '12

Hi folks, so here we are. At the moment I contributed a new css style, Nicolas already provided us with a far more usable structure for the community section, and further improvements are being discussed. Well, first, if Nicolas, you have time to dedicate to this, I would be very happy if you would "fix" also other sections of the platform. I really like how you worked on the previous one, it was a big improvement. What are your thoughts about it? As for the style, fancy images, etc... What I did is just a starting point, but I'm happy because a little effort made the site more friendly and better readable imho. Now, as for me I need to fix few things which are not in place yet, so I won't think about images, carousels, etc.. Don't get me wrong, I love those ideas and agree about it, but I rather make a rock solid css style and then think about the rest. Which is to say, if somebody wants to take on the task of the carousel, for instance, please do it!! Or if you don't want to get your hands dirty, then just look for some cool Pd related pictures you would like to see on the homepage, and send them on the list :) Next, I will try to change the contents of the home page and see what happens. As always, feel free to stop me, any change I do is completely reversible. cheers, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net

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Re: [Pdweb] [PD] Editing CSS style, make pd.info better? [WAS: puredata.info site design provocation]
by András Murányi 12 Mar '12

12 Mar '12

...moving to pdweb On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 00:02, Scott R. Looney <scottrlooney(a)gmail.com>wrote: > yes i have to admit i'm starting to judge the relevancy of a website at > least in part with design modernity. was just looking at various open > source 3D gaming engines and i could instantly tell the 2003-2007 era from > the 2008-2012 era. i still investigated what each site had to offer, but > graphic presentation added to the friendliness/accessibility factor. sites > like the current Processing site and Openframeworks.cc seem cleaner and > easier to both attract users and navigate. > > my thoughts on the design: > > overall an excellent beginning to a new look! it started me thinking about > possible further improvements. so consider this a design brainstorm thingy > with NO obligation that anyone has to do what i'm suggesting (especially > Marco who started the ball rolling). i don't have any time to do it at the > moment (i'm avoiding grading right now) but it certainly gives me ideas, so > here we go: > > Navigation > > i'm not pushing this but it seems like side based navigation is sort of > less common on modern websites? the look is pretty modern and clean > however. Processing (2 columns) and Ofx (2 or 3 - not sure) both use top > navigation which i think draws the eye better. i resisted top nav for a > while but i think it relates better to subject matter. bigger more graphic > pictures on the front page of various projects i think will attract more > attention to the artistic aspects. a better top banner is a MUST. > I think the current header of sub pages is perfectly light now and only the main page needs a banner-like thing (carousel or...) > > Exhibition page > > should definitely be overhauled with a much more graphic look whenever > possible. Marco's Xth-Sense, Billy's Helmholtz ship animation any other > graphic demonstrations of PD in action in realtime either audio wise or > using video manipulation ala Gem or whatever should be there in plain view, > not just a link to someone's website. No idea if Plone can do graphic grid > placement of thumbnails for videos but that's what comes to mind. i'm not > against a carousel video thing, but i think it's a consideration for future > design. > > if it's just a patch processing audio, i don't know, maybe some audio > examples of the patch via a jquery-type player onscreen? > I'd suggest a screenshot of the patch itself... it's healthy and interesting if some of the pictures are not resulting visuals but actual patches. > the idea is to get folks interested equally in what PD can do as well as > finding out more information about the artist if they are so inclined. > > Downloads and Distributions - separate categories > > at the moment if i wanted to find out what PD-vanilla or PD-extended was, > i'd have to go to the Downloads page. i'm not sure if that's intuitive > enough. if i wanted to find out what a distribution was about versus > downloading it, i'm not sure if i'd go to Downloads. > > so maybe something labeled Distributions? then put PD-vanilla, > PD-extended, and something like l2ork there? i see a huge amount of talk on > the list from Ivo about his version and some of it's benefits. i think it > should be listed there. there should be Download links of course as well. > > Such a page might also be called 'About PD', give a brief > history/description of how PD itself works and then the other variants > listed below with download links? > I couldn't judge if this needs to be done, but if yes, then it's one more reason to have an "About Pd" or "What is Pd" page. > [...] > András

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moving /community/projects/software to /downloads/
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 02 Mar '12

02 Mar '12

Hey IOhannes, As part of the web site reorg, we'd like to move /community/projects/software to /downloads/, then switch the aliases, so /community/projects/software redirects to /downloads/. I think there is an apache URL rewrite rule currently in effect, that's not something I can edit. Perhaps we can replace that with a Plone redirect? I look into what the DTML Document can do. Anything else I should know about before doing this move? .hc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hate it when they say, "He gave his life for his country." Nobody gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of these kids. -Admiral Gene LeRocque

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