Ok, thanks Scott. I'm gonna look into this.
Apparently, the simple command could also work fine. I'm not sure about addons at the moment, as the version of Plone we use is apparently a bit out of date.
Also, I don't know about the feasibility of requiring a thumbnail for each project added to the exhibition page. I mean, I agree, but don't know if we can implement that, or we would need another addon.
Will send update..
M
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Scott R. Looney scottrlooney@gmail.comwrote:
.hc wrote:
The grid idea sounds good, something like this? http://processing.org/exhibition/
yup, exactly like that...
i'm attaching the zip file of the thumbnails here. they are ordered by order of appearance on the Exhibition page. basically i just took an appropriate screen from each video.
I think the exhibition page will require some python customization, I
think want we want is called a Template, but I could be wrong: http://plone.org/products/plonetemplates
as for methods of getting a grid view:
http://plone.org/documentation/kb/create-a-photo-album
this method looks like the easiest with static content. however, i think this is content generated by each poster to the Exhibition page from an entry form with tabs for various sections entered by each user.
so first we need to modify the form to add a thumbnail tab for future entries and then display the output results as a grid form with unique links for each title and picture thumbnail pair. i think the CMS should be able to configure the entry so that the text title and picture automatically link to the picture. some sort of character width per grid would need to be set.
this link might be helpful:
http://www.noenieto.com/blog/theming-plone-4-part-2
here are the links to the addons i found for plone. this is one found by searching 'photo':
http://plone.org/products/collective.gallery
also found this one sometime later. looks more full featured but maybe a bit overkill?:
http://plone.org/products/plone-true-gallery
as far as having a template, yes i believe you'd either need to change the template for that center section on the top Exhibition page or have an addon modify behavior or layout on that template.
scott
On Mar 12, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
Hi Scott,
nice one, thanks. Where are the thumbnails?
I also had a similar idea about the Exhibition page, grid-like layout, pretty classical but nice. However, I can't do that with css only as Plone uses tables.. (aarrrrrrgghhh)
So, I will have to look into this and figure out something. You mentioned an addon to modify only a single page, do you have a link?
M
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Scott R. Looney <scottrlooney@gmail.com
wrote:
hey there - i don't know why i decided to stay up and do this after i said i was too busy, but i've now made thumbnails for every listed project in the Exhibitions, ready to upload and deploy to the submission page.
what i propose is to place the images in a grid style, with brief text below. clicking on either the image or the text will then send you to the defined Exhibition subpage for that entry. so we need a way to distribute a bunch of thumbnail images with text, in a grid or table like format, 3 or 4 across. not sure how exactly that's done in Plone or whether one needs an addon for it to make it easier.
if you think the design is cool then the thumbnail should be a requirement for anyone wanting to post something in the Exhibition section. just add it to the form for Exhibition submissions.
scott
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OK, based on my experience with CMSs, and also running through the method used to add to Exhibition on pdinfo it looks like a fairly generic article form but one that is part of core functionality -not likely an add-on. the pertinent function or file appears to be called 'Heading_edit_images' where you can add images to a article you make.
it seems like creating the Exhibition tag then puts the page entry and pictures up on the Exhibitions page. so if we wanted to add a thumbnail image there we could either:
1. use an image from 'Heading_edit_images', and put a note encouraging users to upload a thumbnail image of their project at a certain pixel size as well as other images they want displayed on their personal Exhibition page. then we just have to figure out how to display that image in a smaller size
2. or better yet create an area or subsection on that page where someone is supposed to upload a header image along with the note for pixel size. i think this is the better method.
either way, it would need to be dealt with to avoid someone like me manually having to create a thumbnail and upload it for each new entry on the page.
i would REALLY like to know which version of Plone we are using on the pdinfo site. i can't research options until i know what's up
scott
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:16 AM, Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.comwrote:
Ok, thanks Scott. I'm gonna look into this.
Apparently, the simple command could also work fine. I'm not sure about addons at the moment, as the version of Plone we use is apparently a bit out of date.
Also, I don't know about the feasibility of requiring a thumbnail for each project added to the exhibition page. I mean, I agree, but don't know if we can implement that, or we would need another addon.
Will send update..
M
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Scott R. Looney scottrlooney@gmail.comwrote:
.hc wrote:
The grid idea sounds good, something like this? http://processing.org/exhibition/
yup, exactly like that...
i'm attaching the zip file of the thumbnails here. they are ordered by order of appearance on the Exhibition page. basically i just took an appropriate screen from each video.
I think the exhibition page will require some python customization, I
think want we want is called a Template, but I could be wrong: http://plone.org/products/plonetemplates
as for methods of getting a grid view:
http://plone.org/documentation/kb/create-a-photo-album
this method looks like the easiest with static content. however, i think this is content generated by each poster to the Exhibition page from an entry form with tabs for various sections entered by each user.
so first we need to modify the form to add a thumbnail tab for future entries and then display the output results as a grid form with unique links for each title and picture thumbnail pair. i think the CMS should be able to configure the entry so that the text title and picture automatically link to the picture. some sort of character width per grid would need to be set.
this link might be helpful:
http://www.noenieto.com/blog/theming-plone-4-part-2
here are the links to the addons i found for plone. this is one found by searching 'photo':
http://plone.org/products/collective.gallery
also found this one sometime later. looks more full featured but maybe a bit overkill?:
http://plone.org/products/plone-true-gallery
as far as having a template, yes i believe you'd either need to change the template for that center section on the top Exhibition page or have an addon modify behavior or layout on that template.
scott
On Mar 12, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
Hi Scott,
nice one, thanks. Where are the thumbnails?
I also had a similar idea about the Exhibition page, grid-like layout, pretty classical but nice. However, I can't do that with css only as Plone uses tables.. (aarrrrrrgghhh)
So, I will have to look into this and figure out something. You mentioned an addon to modify only a single page, do you have a link?
M
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Scott R. Looney < scottrlooney@gmail.com> wrote:
hey there - i don't know why i decided to stay up and do this after i said i was too busy, but i've now made thumbnails for every listed project in the Exhibitions, ready to upload and deploy to the submission page.
what i propose is to place the images in a grid style, with brief text below. clicking on either the image or the text will then send you to the defined Exhibition subpage for that entry. so we need a way to distribute a bunch of thumbnail images with text, in a grid or table like format, 3 or 4 across. not sure how exactly that's done in Plone or whether one needs an addon for it to make it easier.
if you think the design is cool then the thumbnail should be a requirement for anyone wanting to post something in the Exhibition section. just add it to the form for Exhibition submissions.
scott
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Le 13/03/12 21:35, Scott R. Looney a écrit :
i would REALLY like to know which version of Plone we are using on the pdinfo site. i can't research options until i know what's up
here it is: Plone 2.1.4, Zope (Zope 2.8.8-final, python 2.3.5, linux2), Python 2.3.5 (#2, Oct 18 2006, 23:04:45) [GCC 4.1.2 20061015 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-16.1)], PIL 1.1.5
OK that helps - that is a OLD version, they're up to 4.1 at this point. i'll see what i can do...
scott
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:
Le 13/03/12 21:35, Scott R. Looney a écrit :
i would REALLY like to know which version of Plone we are using on the pdinfo site. i can't research options until i know what's up
here it is: Plone 2.1.4, Zope (Zope 2.8.8-final, python 2.3.5, linux2), Python 2.3.5 (#2, Oct 18 2006, 23:04:45) [GCC 4.1.2 20061015 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-16.1)], PIL 1.1.5
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Wow, and it looks like its running Debian 4.x, that's not even supported anymore. Debian 5.x is 'oldstable', and they just released the last update for that one.
This is probably a question for IOhannes: what's the blocker on upgrading Debian on that machine? Is there a way someone else could help with that? I've done quite a few Debian upgrades over the years, for example.
.hc
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012, at 14:15, Scott R. Looney wrote:
OK that helps - that is a OLD version, they're up to 4.1 at this point. i'll see what i can do...
scott
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:
Le 13/03/12 21:35, Scott R. Looney a écrit :
i would REALLY like to know which version of Plone we are using on the pdinfo site. i can't research options until i know what's up
here it is: Plone 2.1.4, Zope (Zope 2.8.8-final, python 2.3.5, linux2), Python 2.3.5 (#2, Oct 18 2006, 23:04:45) [GCC 4.1.2 20061015 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-16.1)], PIL 1.1.5
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and if you're going to be upgrading Debian might as well do the Plone upgrade as well. though this is the way we end up in Norse sagas. being the owner of a hackintosh i am very wary of upgrading these days.
ahh...reminds me of an xkcd:
scott
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
Wow, and it looks like its running Debian 4.x, that's not even supported anymore. Debian 5.x is 'oldstable', and they just released the last update for that one.
This is probably a question for IOhannes: what's the blocker on upgrading Debian on that machine? Is there a way someone else could help with that? I've done quite a few Debian upgrades over the years, for example.
.hc
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012, at 14:15, Scott R. Looney wrote:
OK that helps - that is a OLD version, they're up to 4.1 at this point. i'll see what i can do...
scott
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:
Le 13/03/12 21:35, Scott R. Looney a écrit :
i would REALLY like to know which version of Plone we are using on the pdinfo site. i can't research options until i know what's up
here it is: Plone 2.1.4, Zope (Zope 2.8.8-final, python 2.3.5, linux2), Python 2.3.5 (#2, Oct 18 2006, 23:04:45) [GCC 4.1.2 20061015
(prerelease)
(Debian 4.1.1-16.1)], PIL 1.1.5
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On 03/14/12 21:54, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Wow, and it looks like its running Debian 4.x, that's not even supported anymore. Debian 5.x is 'oldstable', and they just released the last update for that one.
not really, it's am mixture of oldoldstable and oldstable (mostly oldstable, apart from some packages...)
This is probably a question for IOhannes: what's the blocker on upgrading Debian on that machine? Is there a way someone else could help with that? I've done quite a few Debian upgrades over the years, for example.
the blocker is currently the Plone instance.
as long as there hasn't been a migration to a new (build-out based!) zope/plone, i cannot upgrade debian.
fgmadsr IOhannes
well, it looks like a fairly non-trivial thing to upgrade Plone/Zope, not something i'd want to attempt without a well defined plan and a very solid backup of the current setup. probably the best thing is to get some additional server space or a spare machine to practice on. from everything i've seen you have to migrate the DB from 2.X to 3.X, and then again from 3.X to 4.1. if the pdinfo's version of Plone has a lot of extra plugins or add-ons added the migration becomes even more protracted and difficult to manage.
scott
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On 03/14/12 21:54, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Wow, and it looks like its running Debian 4.x, that's not even supported anymore. Debian 5.x is 'oldstable', and they just released the last update for that one.
not really, it's am mixture of oldoldstable and oldstable (mostly oldstable, apart from some packages...)
This is probably a question for IOhannes: what's the blocker on upgrading Debian on that machine? Is there a way someone else could help with that? I've done quite a few Debian upgrades over the years, for example.
the blocker is currently the Plone instance.
as long as there hasn't been a migration to a new (build-out based!) zope/plone, i cannot upgrade debian.
fgmadsr IOhannes
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I've done a few Drupal upgrades on live sites, and they weren't too bad as long as you stick to the details of the procedure. Hopefully Plone is comparable.
.hc
On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:10 AM, Scott R. Looney wrote:
well, it looks like a fairly non-trivial thing to upgrade Plone/Zope, not something i'd want to attempt without a well defined plan and a very solid backup of the current setup. probably the best thing is to get some additional server space or a spare machine to practice on. from everything i've seen you have to migrate the DB from 2.X to 3.X, and then again from 3.X to 4.1. if the pdinfo's version of Plone has a lot of extra plugins or add-ons added the migration becomes even more protracted and difficult to manage.
scott
2012/3/15 IOhannes m zmölnig zmoelnig@iem.at On 03/14/12 21:54, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Wow, and it looks like its running Debian 4.x, that's not even supported anymore. Debian 5.x is 'oldstable', and they just released the last update for that one.
not really, it's am mixture of oldoldstable and oldstable (mostly oldstable, apart from some packages...)
This is probably a question for IOhannes: what's the blocker on upgrading Debian on that machine? Is there a way someone else could help with that? I've done quite a few Debian upgrades over the years, for example.
the blocker is currently the Plone instance.
as long as there hasn't been a migration to a new (build-out based!) zope/plone, i cannot upgrade debian.
fgmadsr IOhannes
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well, it looks like a fairly non-trivial thing to upgrade Plone/Zope, not something i'd want to attempt without a well defined plan and a very solid backup of the current setup. probably the best thing is to get some additional server space or a spare machine to practice on. from everything i've seen you have to migrate the DB from 2.X to 3.X, and then again from 3.X to 4.1. if the pdinfo's version of Plone has a lot of extra plugins or add-ons added the migration becomes even more protracted and difficult to manage.
scott
I agree that the current state shall be duplicated somewhere (i guess it could be possible on the same machine - usually question of changing a database name or table prefix), then when the migration has been done and checked, I think it doesn't have to be taken as a practice but could (be moved back if it was on another machine and) take place of the old install. Especially if there's some "manual" work to do. It would be nice to do it on the same machine so we don't have to move, which is a potential source for errors.
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