Hallo,
I added a so called "Topic" to the community area on pd.org. A Topic collects content items according to self-defined rules. The new Topic collects tracks. The current rule set is:
* Content type must be "File" * Content description must include the word "track".
This seems to work just fine. I added a short experiment "track" to my home folder, that follows above rules, and as soon as it was "published" by me it appeard in the "Tracks" topic.
You can do this, too, and become famous ;)
The Track Topic is available at:
http://testpd.iem.at/community/Tracks/
I think, this might be a good way to collect content. It might be cool to have a content types like "Track" or "Patch" but I don't know yet how this is done.
But we should fill this up with Topics for patches, images and so on.
ciao
Though at first trial this seems nice, I am skeptical in the long run. What's the difference between this and running a search for the word "track"? As far as I can tell, the only difference is the link in the nav. What if people use the word "track" for other meanings, or don't intend that page to be published as a music track. For example, if I posted a patch and described it as a "multi-track mixer", it would show up under the Tracks section even though its not a track at all. I think a page that is writable/publishable by all members would be a better solution, but maybe this "Topic" feature could be honed.
Also, following the plone URL guidelines, I changed the file name from "Tracks" to "tracks". I can't seem to find the link, but somewhere in the docs for Zope/CMF/Plone it said that all "Names"/urls should not use upper case or dashes. I agree with this, since it makes the urls memorable, and makes things clean.
In any case, I am glad to see stuff progressing. The community and news sections needs to be built out.
.hc
On Friday, Jul 18, 2003, at 11:47 America/New_York, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
I added a so called "Topic" to the community area on pd.org. A Topic collects content items according to self-defined rules. The new Topic collects tracks. The current rule set is:
- Content type must be "File"
- Content description must include the word "track".
This seems to work just fine. I added a short experiment "track" to my home folder, that follows above rules, and as soon as it was "published" by me it appeard in the "Tracks" topic.
You can do this, too, and become famous ;)
The Track Topic is available at:
http://testpd.iem.at/community/Tracks/
I think, this might be a good way to collect content. It might be cool to have a content types like "Track" or "Patch" but I don't know yet how this is done.
But we should fill this up with Topics for patches, images and so on.
ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
Pdweb mailing list Pdweb@iem.at http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pdweb
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Though at first trial this seems nice, I am skeptical in the long run. What's the difference between this and running a search for the word "track"? As far as I can tell, the only difference is the link in the nav. What if people use the word "track" for other meanings, or don't intend that page to be published as a music track. For example, if I posted a patch and described it as a "multi-track mixer", it would show up under the Tracks section even though its not a track at all. I think a page that is writable/publishable by all members would be a better solution, but maybe this "Topic" feature could be honed.
Yes, it should be honed. The way to go in the long run is meta data. I'm just now trying to get a topic to work where Keyword=="Track" is the criterium. But somehow this doesn't work out yet.
I'm strongly against the "edit index-page" way. I see the automatic page generation as one of the strong points in Plone, at least for pages like the community ones.
Also, following the plone URL guidelines, I changed the file name from "Tracks" to "tracks". I can't seem to find the link, but somewhere in the docs for Zope/CMF/Plone it said that all "Names"/urls should not use upper case or dashes. I agree with this, since it makes the urls memorable, and makes things clean.
Well, okay, this is consistent with the rest of our site now, but in general all Zope/Plone sites use lots of UpperCaseWords. I'll try to refrain from my WikiPythonHabit now... ;)
ciao
Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote:
Yes, it should be honed. The way to go in the long run is meta data. I'm just now trying to get a topic to work where Keyword=="Track" is the criterium. But somehow this doesn't work out yet.
Okay, now I figured it out: What is named "Keywords" in the Poperties view of a content item is called "Subject" in the criteria of a Topic.
Now it works just as expected: If you want to publish a track, you need to upload it, then go to edit the "Properties" of the file and select "Track".
Yippee! I think this is the Right Thing (tm) to do. Now keep the tracks coming.
We should agree on Keywords/Subjects for the other topics, soon, and make a list in a WikiPage.
An another thing remains: What MIME-type do ogg-files have and could someone add this thoe the MIME selection menu?
ciao
On Friday, Jul 18, 2003, at 13:48 America/New_York, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote:
Yes, it should be honed. The way to go in the long run is meta data. I'm just now trying to get a topic to work where Keyword=="Track" is the criterium. But somehow this doesn't work out yet.
Okay, now I figured it out: What is named "Keywords" in the Poperties view of a content item is called "Subject" in the criteria of a Topic.
Now it works just as expected: If you want to publish a track, you need to upload it, then go to edit the "Properties" of the file and select "Track".
Yippee! I think this is the Right Thing (tm) to do. Now keep the tracks coming.
We should agree on Keywords/Subjects for the other topics, soon, and make a list in a WikiPage.
Now that the site is open to the public, and people are starting to sign up, we need to quickly create the default members setup. Each member's folder should have a download section, a tracks/art section, an news/events section, and a Patches section.
I think that the section under each member folder should not be called 'tracks' since that would exclude video, sound art, interactive pieces, and people who don't like calling their music a 'track'. And I don't think we should have different sections for each type of art in the members' folders since most of them would then be empty. I, for example, don't have any video/graphics work (yet?). I think it makes sense to have separate sections under the 'community' section though, since people generally browse within a certain media. Then the news/announcements would be for more general posting.
The best we came up with before was 'art', but that might be a bit vague. Here are suggestions off the top of my head: "works", "pieces" ....
As a reference, the site structure is here: http://testpd.iem.at/dev/pdweb_wiki/FrontPage
.hc
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I think that the section under each member folder should not be called 'tracks' since that would exclude video, sound art, interactive pieces, and people who don't like calling their music a 'track'. And I don't think we should have different sections for each type of art in the members' folders since most of them would then be empty. I, for example, don't have any video/graphics work (yet?). I think it makes sense to have separate sections under the 'community' section though, since people generally browse within a certain media. Then the news/announcements would be for more general posting.
The best we came up with before was 'art', but that might be a bit vague. Here are suggestions off the top of my head: "works", "pieces"
Makes sense to me. It is possible to create Sub-Topics. I'll look into that tomorrow.
ciao
On Friday, Jul 18, 2003, at 18:58 America/New_York, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I think that the section under each member folder should not be called 'tracks' since that would exclude video, sound art, interactive pieces, and people who don't like calling their music a 'track'. And I don't think we should have different sections for each type of art in the members' folders since most of them would then be empty. I, for example, don't have any video/graphics work (yet?). I think it makes sense to have separate sections under the 'community' section though, since people generally browse within a certain media. Then the news/announcements would be for more general posting.
The best we came up with before was 'art', but that might be a bit vague. Here are suggestions off the top of my head: "works", "pieces"
Makes sense to me. It is possible to create Sub-Topics. I'll look into that tomorrow.
Ah yes, sub-topics, that seems to work very well. Like this:
Community Art (keywords "music", "video", "interactive", "performance", "art") Sound/Music (keywords "track" or whatever) Video (keywords "video") Interactive (keywords "interactive") Performance (keywords "performance")
I just threw in Performance for the hell of it. But I am trying to resist creating a keyword explosion.
.hc
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Ah yes, sub-topics, that seems to work very well. Like this:
Community Art (keywords "music", "video", "interactive", "performance", "art") Sound/Music (keywords "track" or whatever) Video (keywords "video") Interactive (keywords "interactive") Performance (keywords "performance")
I just threw in Performance for the hell of it. But I am trying to resist creating a keyword explosion.
Maybe we don't need subtopics here: The main overview page could just stay a 'static' page with links to the Topic-subfolders with the pieces.
We're just one level deep and I don't see the need to dig deeper. Well, maybe later.
The Keyword doesn't necessarily have to be visible on the Topic. So if someone doesn't like his music to be labeled "track", he shouldn't have to care because we could just change the Topic's name (currently "Tracks with Pd" to reflect our consensus. But the Keyword could still stay "Track".
I don't think, that "music" is a good keyword for a track or a piece. A "piece" also could be a patch or a graphic. Maybe we could call it "musicfile"?
We also could use more verbose Keywords like: "Community:Music" (I think, this works, iem.at seems to be down currently, so it's untested, at least "Community_Music" should work) This way, we would have the general words like "music" or "track" free for other uses.
ciao
On Saturday, Jul 19, 2003, at 04:03 America/New_York, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Ah yes, sub-topics, that seems to work very well. Like this:
Community Art (keywords "music", "video", "interactive", "performance", "art") Sound/Music (keywords "track" or whatever) Video (keywords "video") Interactive (keywords "interactive") Performance (keywords "performance")
I just threw in Performance for the hell of it. But I am trying to resist creating a keyword explosion.
Maybe we don't need subtopics here: The main overview page could just stay a 'static' page with links to the Topic-subfolders with the pieces.
We're just one level deep and I don't see the need to dig deeper. Well, maybe later.
The Keyword doesn't necessarily have to be visible on the Topic. So if someone doesn't like his music to be labeled "track", he shouldn't have to care because we could just change the Topic's name (currently "Tracks with Pd" to reflect our consensus. But the Keyword could still stay "Track".
I don't think, that "music" is a good keyword for a track or a piece. A "piece" also could be a patch or a graphic. Maybe we could call it "musicfile"?
We also could use more verbose Keywords like: "Community:Music" (I think, this works, iem.at seems to be down currently, so it's untested, at least "Community_Music" should work) This way, we would have the general words like "music" or "track" free for other uses. \
The "Community_music" thing seems to work well. It makes it explicit where that file is going to show up.
We could break it down by sound/video/interactive. That seems to cover everything pd pretty well. But sound might be to vague. There is no easy answer....
.hc
[Frank Barknecht]->[Re: [Pdweb] Tracks as Topics]->[03-07-18 19:48]
|Hallo, |Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: |> Yes, it should be honed. The way to go in the long run is meta data. |> I'm just now trying to get a topic to work where Keyword=="Track" is |> the criterium. But somehow this doesn't work out yet. | |Okay, now I figured it out: What is named "Keywords" in the Poperties |view of a content item is called "Subject" in the criteria of a Topic. | |Now it works just as expected: If you want to publish a track, you |need to upload it, then go to edit the "Properties" of the file and |select "Track". | |Yippee! I think this is the Right Thing (tm) to do. Now keep the |tracks coming. | |We should agree on Keywords/Subjects for the other topics, soon, and |make a list in a WikiPage. | |An another thing remains: What MIME-type do ogg-files have and could |someone add this thoe the MIME selection menu?
[x75@axoih:~] grep ogg /etc/mime.types application/ogg ogg
-- x Þ u . o 7 6
cool. i'm not really sure how to control the look of the site wiht plone yet, but a couple thoughts from looking at that table:
- each row's background color could alternate, right now the two items descriptions sort of run together to the eye
- there should be a "author" or "poster" type column for each item... you cant tell who posted each item right now.
looking good guys!
-josh
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
I added a so called "Topic" to the community area on pd.org. A Topic collects content items according to self-defined rules. The new Topic collects tracks. The current rule set is:
- Content type must be "File"
- Content description must include the word "track".
This seems to work just fine. I added a short experiment "track" to my home folder, that follows above rules, and as soon as it was "published" by me it appeard in the "Tracks" topic.
You can do this, too, and become famous ;)
The Track Topic is available at:
http://testpd.iem.at/community/Tracks/
I think, this might be a good way to collect content. It might be cool to have a content types like "Track" or "Patch" but I don't know yet how this is done.
But we should fill this up with Topics for patches, images and so on.
ciao
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