FYI: I am not IOhannes, who goes by Hannes in meatspace. I am just Hans, or Hans-Christoph Steiner in the digital world. IOhannes lives in Graz, and I in Brooklyn, New York.
I cc'ed the pdweb list because I don't know the answer to your question. IOhannes probably does, and he reads that list.
.hc
On Oct 24, 2006, at 4:53 AM, Adrian wrote:
IOhannes: is it necessary to know zope/bash in order to rearange plone? I don't think we talk about groundshaking changes. More about rearanging the modules on top of plone.
On 10/24/06, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
There is also a dormant wiki page for the website, if you are looking for a place to take notes.
http://puredata.org/dev/pd_webwiki
Its great that you are taking this on!
.hc
On Oct 21, 2006, at 4:28 PM, Adrian wrote:
this is a mere echo mail: i want to check how alive this list is.
a thread in the pd-list maillist is talking about the pr &
marketing
of pure data to the public. the very hot topics so far are a the puredata website and the
pros &
contras of maillist and forum.
a redesign of the webpage would do a very good job in making pd interesting for other people. right now it's to technical and a maze, at least in my humble
opinion.
and i still want to state that a good fanbase is the best way to develop a product. more users = more interest = more programers = better stuff for everyone.
just have a look at processing.org. the program itself is not that overwhelming. is it an easier access to java programing with a graphical aproach. but what they did out of it is amazing. a huge fanbase with so many good libaries to take on.
are there people willing to do a plone-skin? (look at plone.net
to see
what is possible) because changing from plone to something else
is not
an option i think. to much work. to much lose.
-- another incomplete website: http://conficere.ch/pds
pdweb mailing list pdweb@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
http://at.or.at/hans/-- another incomplete website: http://conficere.ch/pds
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if you refer to me, then i refered to this:
--- Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
Just wanted to shout out: I'm on this list now too, although I know NOTHING about plone!
luckily this list is pdweb and not pdplone...however, i hope that you are really deep into zope (or at least bash)
mgs.dft IOhannes ---
by now i know the difference between you two
On 10/24/06, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
FYI: I am not IOhannes, who goes by Hannes in meatspace. I am just Hans, or Hans-Christoph Steiner in the digital world. IOhannes lives in Graz, and I in Brooklyn, New York.
I cc'ed the pdweb list because I don't know the answer to your question. IOhannes probably does, and he reads that list.
.hc
On Oct 24, 2006, at 4:53 AM, Adrian wrote:
IOhannes: is it necessary to know zope/bash in order to rearange plone? I don't think we talk about groundshaking changes. More about rearanging the modules on top of plone.
On 10/24/06, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
There is also a dormant wiki page for the website, if you are looking for a place to take notes.
http://puredata.org/dev/pd_webwiki
Its great that you are taking this on!
.hc
On Oct 21, 2006, at 4:28 PM, Adrian wrote:
this is a mere echo mail: i want to check how alive this list is.
a thread in the pd-list maillist is talking about the pr &
marketing
of pure data to the public. the very hot topics so far are a the puredata website and the
pros &
contras of maillist and forum.
a redesign of the webpage would do a very good job in making pd interesting for other people. right now it's to technical and a maze, at least in my humble
opinion.
and i still want to state that a good fanbase is the best way to develop a product. more users = more interest = more programers = better stuff for everyone.
just have a look at processing.org. the program itself is not that overwhelming. is it an easier access to java programing with a graphical aproach. but what they did out of it is amazing. a huge fanbase with so many good libaries to take on.
are there people willing to do a plone-skin? (look at plone.net
to see
what is possible) because changing from plone to something else
is not
an option i think. to much work. to much lose.
-- another incomplete website: http://conficere.ch/pds
pdweb mailing list pdweb@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
http://at.or.at/hans/-- another incomplete website: http://conficere.ch/pds
If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. - Thomas Jefferson
Adrian: i think hans just wanted to point out, that you should answer to the list instead of a single person, especially if the recipient of your email is not the interrogator. (you were answering one of my statements in a private email to hans)
On Oct 24, 2006, at 4:53 AM, Adrian wrote:
IOhannes: is it necessary to know zope/bash in order to rearange plone?
oh no, not again: this was a joke, or choke. you don't need to know bash nor zope nor plone (though the latter ought to help)
mfg.asdr IOhannes
I looked up Zope after that mail and got the joke: Plone is based on Zope.
~Kyle
On 10/24/06, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:
Adrian: i think hans just wanted to point out, that you should answer to the list instead of a single person, especially if the recipient of your email is not the interrogator. (you were answering one of my statements in a private email to hans)
On Oct 24, 2006, at 4:53 AM, Adrian wrote:
IOhannes: is it necessary to know zope/bash in order to rearange plone?
oh no, not again: this was a joke, or choke. you don't need to know bash nor zope nor plone (though the latter ought to help)
mfg.asdr IOhannes
pdweb mailing list pdweb@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
I am sorry IOhannes, i gave up upon serious "text" conversations in the net after finding out that i'm to conflict scared ... there is nothing better then a real voice and a face.
yeah i looked after plone as well, and that made me scared!
On 10/24/06, Kyle Klipowicz kyleklip@gmail.com wrote:
I looked up Zope after that mail and got the joke: Plone is based on Zope.
~Kyle
On 10/24/06, IOhannes m zmoelnig < zmoelnig@iem.at> wrote:
Adrian: i think hans just wanted to point out, that you should answer to the list instead of a single person, especially if the recipient of your email is not the interrogator. (you were answering one of my statements in a private email to hans)
On Oct 24, 2006, at 4:53 AM, Adrian wrote:
IOhannes: is it necessary to know zope/bash in order to rearange plone?
oh no, not again: this was a joke, or choke. you don't need to know bash nor zope nor plone (though the latter ought to help)
mfg.asdr IOhannes
pdweb mailing list pdweb@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
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Hello,
I am back on list, so maybe its time to introduce me, it was my silly idea to use Plone/Zope since some years, since I used it in an elaerning archive project http://iaem.at/ and now was busy to update this site to new version, also it was my silly idea to do an pd-list this is now 10 years ago.
Anyhow Plone/Zope can be made simple or complicated, there are nice documents about skinning:
http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/creating-custom-style
even the whole docu-engine http://plone.org/documentation with doing FAQs, Tutorials, HowTos and Glossary could be used on purdata site, since only needed to be installed, but
Who does the content work oder reviewing of content ?
There are also Forum Products, but anyhow, each item (entry) can be commented like in an forum on the site.
Georg Holzmann is just finishing a streaming product for plone, so audio and videos can be stored file-based and streamed.
another thing is we have ca. 300GB from pd-convention lectures, audios lying on the server, but not usable since nobody did a authoring work for this.
The main resource we need is man power doing the work. The idea using plone was that deligating of sections etc on the site is easy, also a lot of sites use it so it is quite secure.
So please just write on the Wiki http://puredata.org/dev/pd_webwiki/FrontPage your suggestion. I hope I can help realizing this issues in the near future, since anyway we have to update the site to Plone2.5 soon.
mfg winfried ritsch
Am Dienstag, 24. Oktober 2006 19:04 schrieb Adrian:
I am sorry IOhannes, i gave up upon serious "text" conversations in the net after finding out that i'm to conflict scared ... there is nothing better then a real voice and a face.
yeah i looked after plone as well, and that made me scared!
On 10/24/06, Kyle Klipowicz kyleklip@gmail.com wrote:
I looked up Zope after that mail and got the joke: Plone is based on Zope.
~Kyle
On 10/24/06, IOhannes m zmoelnig < zmoelnig@iem.at> wrote:
Adrian: i think hans just wanted to point out, that you should answer to the list instead of a single person, especially if the recipient of your email is not the interrogator. (you were answering one of my statements in a private email to hans)
On Oct 24, 2006, at 4:53 AM, Adrian wrote:
IOhannes: is it necessary to know zope/bash in order to rearange plone?
oh no, not again: this was a joke, or choke. you don't need to know bash nor zope nor plone (though the latter ought to help)
mfg.asdr IOhannes
pdweb mailing list pdweb@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
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Plone undoubtedly has lots of features, but I find it quite difficult to use. I think others do to since we are only using the simplest features that something like WordPress would provide. Maybe its possible to make this plone site easier to use, that I don't know. But I think its a big issue that keeps the site from being all that it could.
From my experience with Drupal, my guess is that it would take 40 hours of work to get the setup working better. Basically there are far too many options right now. It should be greatly simplified so that you don't have to learn all the details of Plone in order to do anything with the site.
That's my two bits.
.hc
On Oct 24, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Winfried Ritsch wrote:
Hello,
I am back on list, so maybe its time to introduce me, it was my silly idea to use Plone/Zope since some years, since I used it in an elaerning archive project http://iaem.at/ and now was busy to update this site to new version, also it was my silly idea to do an pd-list this is now 10 years ago.
Anyhow Plone/Zope can be made simple or complicated, there are nice documents about skinning:
http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/creating-custom-style
even the whole docu-engine http://plone.org/documentation with doing FAQs, Tutorials, HowTos and Glossary could be used on purdata site, since only needed to be installed, but
Who does the content work oder reviewing of content ?
There are also Forum Products, but anyhow, each item (entry) can be commented like in an forum on the site.
Georg Holzmann is just finishing a streaming product for plone, so audio and videos can be stored file-based and streamed.
another thing is we have ca. 300GB from pd-convention lectures, audios lying on the server, but not usable since nobody did a authoring work for this.
The main resource we need is man power doing the work. The idea using plone was that deligating of sections etc on the site is easy, also a lot of sites use it so it is quite secure.
So please just write on the Wiki http://puredata.org/dev/pd_webwiki/ FrontPage your suggestion. I hope I can help realizing this issues in the near future, since anyway we have to update the site to Plone2.5 soon.
mfg winfried ritsch
Am Dienstag, 24. Oktober 2006 19:04 schrieb Adrian:
I am sorry IOhannes, i gave up upon serious "text" conversations in the net after finding out that i'm to conflict scared ... there is nothing better then a real voice and a face.
yeah i looked after plone as well, and that made me scared!
On 10/24/06, Kyle Klipowicz kyleklip@gmail.com wrote:
I looked up Zope after that mail and got the joke: Plone is based on Zope.
~Kyle
On 10/24/06, IOhannes m zmoelnig < zmoelnig@iem.at> wrote:
Adrian: i think hans just wanted to point out, that you should answer to the list instead of a single person, especially if the recipient of your email is not the interrogator. (you were answering one of my statements in a private email to hans)
On Oct 24, 2006, at 4:53 AM, Adrian wrote:
IOhannes: is it necessary to know zope/bash in order to rearange plone?
oh no, not again: this was a joke, or choke. you don't need to know bash nor zope nor plone (though the latter ought to help)
mfg.asdr IOhannes
pdweb mailing list pdweb@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
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Hello,
From my experience with Drupal, my guess is that it would take 40 hours of work to get the setup working better. Basically there are far too many options right now. It should be greatly simplified so that you don't have to learn all the details of Plone in order to do anything with the site.
The problem is migrating the content not doing another site will need lots of hours.
On the other site we can simplify plone just get rid of the publish-workflow and so pending state and reviewer role, just manager and members and anonymous, like a big wiki.
My offer to a web-designer is:
if she/he just thinks a little bit of what is needed on the site and make a design proposal as plain (x)html (maybe just use the plone standard css-download as a starting point) I could try to give my best to implement the skin in plone, as file based product, so in future everybody can hack on it.
Please think as of slots in the surface to design and fill. Maybe its a good idea somebody who has no plone experience make the design so it doenst look like all other plone sites.
mfg winfried
That's my two bits.
.hc
On Oct 24, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Winfried Ritsch wrote:
Hello,
I am back on list, so maybe its time to introduce me, it was my silly idea to use Plone/Zope since some years, since I used it in an elaerning archive project http://iaem.at/ and now was busy to update this site to new version, also it was my silly idea to do an pd-list this is now 10 years ago.
Anyhow Plone/Zope can be made simple or complicated, there are nice documents about skinning:
http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/creating-custom-style
even the whole docu-engine http://plone.org/documentation with doing FAQs, Tutorials, HowTos and Glossary could be used on purdata site, since only needed to be installed, but
Who does the content work oder reviewing of content ?
There are also Forum Products, but anyhow, each item (entry) can be commented like in an forum on the site.
Georg Holzmann is just finishing a streaming product for plone, so audio and videos can be stored file-based and streamed.
another thing is we have ca. 300GB from pd-convention lectures, audios lying on the server, but not usable since nobody did a authoring work for this.
The main resource we need is man power doing the work. The idea using plone was that deligating of sections etc on the site is easy, also a lot of sites use it so it is quite secure.
So please just write on the Wiki http://puredata.org/dev/pd_webwiki/ FrontPage your suggestion. I hope I can help realizing this issues in the near future, since anyway we have to update the site to Plone2.5 soon.
mfg winfried ritsch
Am Dienstag, 24. Oktober 2006 19:04 schrieb Adrian:
I am sorry IOhannes, i gave up upon serious "text" conversations in the net after finding out that i'm to conflict scared ... there is nothing better then a real voice and a face.
yeah i looked after plone as well, and that made me scared!
On 10/24/06, Kyle Klipowicz kyleklip@gmail.com wrote:
I looked up Zope after that mail and got the joke: Plone is based on Zope.
~Kyle
On 10/24/06, IOhannes m zmoelnig < zmoelnig@iem.at> wrote:
Adrian: i think hans just wanted to point out, that you should answer to the list instead of a single person, especially if the recipient of your email is not the interrogator. (you were answering one of my statements in a private email to hans)
On Oct 24, 2006, at 4:53 AM, Adrian wrote: > IOhannes: is it necessary to know zope/bash in order to rearange > plone?
oh no, not again: this was a joke, or choke. you don't need to know bash nor zope nor plone (though the latter ought to help)
mfg.asdr IOhannes
pdweb mailing list pdweb@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
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- University of Music and Dramatic Art Graz
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On Oct 30, 2006, at 3:13 PM, Winfried Ritsch wrote:
Hello,
From my experience with Drupal, my guess is that it would take 40 hours of work to get the setup working better. Basically there are far too many options right now. It should be greatly simplified so that you don't have to learn all the details of Plone in order to do anything with the site.
The problem is migrating the content not doing another site will need lots of hours.
I wasn't suggesting replacing plone, just estimating how long it would take to fix up the current plone site.
On the other site we can simplify plone just get rid of the publish- workflow and so pending state and reviewer role, just manager and members and anonymous, like a big wiki.
Sounds like a start. And maybe removing a couple of the content types that aren't used. That would go a long way.
.hc
My offer to a web-designer is:
if she/he just thinks a little bit of what is needed on the site and make a design proposal as plain (x)html (maybe just use the plone standard css-download as a starting point) I could try to give my best to implement the skin in plone, as file based product, so in future everybody can hack on it.
Please think as of slots in the surface to design and fill. Maybe its a good idea somebody who has no plone experience make the design so it doenst look like all other plone sites.
mfg winfried
That's my two bits.
.hc
On Oct 24, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Winfried Ritsch wrote:
Hello,
I am back on list, so maybe its time to introduce me, it was my silly idea to use Plone/Zope since some years, since I used it in an elaerning archive project http://iaem.at/ and now was busy to update this site to new version, also it was my silly idea to do an pd-list this is now 10 years ago.
Anyhow Plone/Zope can be made simple or complicated, there are nice documents about skinning:
http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/creating-custom-style
even the whole docu-engine http://plone.org/documentation with doing FAQs, Tutorials, HowTos and Glossary could be used on purdata site, since only needed to be installed, but
Who does the content work oder reviewing of content ?
There are also Forum Products, but anyhow, each item (entry) can be commented like in an forum on the site.
Georg Holzmann is just finishing a streaming product for plone, so audio and videos can be stored file-based and streamed.
another thing is we have ca. 300GB from pd-convention lectures, audios lying on the server, but not usable since nobody did a authoring work for this.
The main resource we need is man power doing the work. The idea using plone was that deligating of sections etc on the site is easy, also a lot of sites use it so it is quite secure.
So please just write on the Wiki http://puredata.org/dev/pd_webwiki/ FrontPage your suggestion. I hope I can help realizing this issues in the near future, since anyway we have to update the site to Plone2.5 soon.
mfg winfried ritsch
Am Dienstag, 24. Oktober 2006 19:04 schrieb Adrian:
I am sorry IOhannes, i gave up upon serious "text" conversations in the net after finding out that i'm to conflict scared ... there is nothing better then a real voice and a face.
yeah i looked after plone as well, and that made me scared!
On 10/24/06, Kyle Klipowicz kyleklip@gmail.com wrote:
I looked up Zope after that mail and got the joke: Plone is based on Zope.
~Kyle
On 10/24/06, IOhannes m zmoelnig < zmoelnig@iem.at> wrote:
Adrian: i think hans just wanted to point out, that you should answer to the list instead of a single person, especially if the recipient of your email is not the interrogator. (you were answering one of my statements in a private email to hans)
> On Oct 24, 2006, at 4:53 AM, Adrian wrote: >> IOhannes: is it necessary to know zope/bash in order to >> rearange >> plone?
oh no, not again: this was a joke, or choke. you don't need to know bash nor zope nor plone (though the latter ought to help)
mfg.asdr IOhannes
pdweb mailing list pdweb@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
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- University of Music and Dramatic Art Graz
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