Hello, in Weimar and Berlin I noticed quite a few people are using small laptops/netbooks.
I'm in the market for a netbook now and want to run linux w/ the usual suspects for experimental electronic music (Pure Data, SC, Ardour, Processing etc.) Softwarewise Im currently looking at pure:dyne as the operating system. But I'm open to suggestions.
What would you recommend for the hardware? Last time I checked some products was in 2009. I suppose battery life has improved, CPUs became a tad faster and linux runs a bit smoother on such a thing. What I really barely can cope with is the glossy screens, but I'm afraid there's no way around it. I'm planning to connect a USB-audio interface, so Firewire is not an issue (which Jack has troubles with, IIRC). Very nice to have would be a built in modem w/ Sim-card slot for mobile data transfer. (Linux supported of course).
What would you suggest? Thanks a lot, Michael.
-- keep your ears open: http://blauwurf.at http://soundcloud.com/noiseconformist
Hi,
just my 2 cents
Michael Zacherl. wrote:
Hello, in Weimar and Berlin I noticed quite a few people are using small laptops/netbooks.
I'm in the market for a netbook now and want to run linux w/ the usual suspects for experimental electronic music (Pure Data, SC, Ardour, Processing etc.) Softwarewise Im currently looking at pure:dyne as the operating system.
pure:dyne is a great project, but I recommend sticking to plain debian, due to its large user base. Afaik, pure:dyne is based on Debian anyway.
But I'm open to suggestions.
What would you recommend for the hardware? Last time I checked some products was in 2009. I suppose battery life has improved, CPUs became a tad faster and linux runs a bit smoother on such a thing. What I really barely can cope with s the glossy screens, but I'm afraid there's no way around it.
Some brands have alternatives, I think Lenovos do....
I'm planning to connect a USB-audio interface, so Firewire is not an issue (which Jack has troubles with, IIRC). Very nice to have would be a built in modem w/ Sim-card slot for mobile data transfer. (Linux supported of course).
Try to find a laptop for music with a quiet fan.
PP.
What would you suggest? Thanks a lot, Michael.
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My only suggestion would be to make sure the screen has 768 pixels of vertical resolution (Hans found an HP model that does - I'm not sure if others exist or not.) Otherwise, you can't project at any higher res than 640x480, even if the screen itself claims more.
I run Fedora (out of the box) with no trouble except I always seem to need to install a newer ALSA which requires recompiling the kernel; this would probably be easier in Debian than it is in Fedora.
Finally, I don't know of any perfect solution for more-than-2-channels of audio I/O via USB. The M-audio stuff doesn't work yet in duplex (they're working on that up in ALSA land). As of a week or 2 ago the latest ALSA tarballs work with Native Instruments TRAKTOR audio 10 - I've got that going but haven't yet tested thoroughly. Since the I/O is "phono" I'm unclear as to whether it does "RIAA equalization" or not; if so I'll make an inverse filter for Pd.
I've been using the Stringport for years, which is especially well adapted to multichannel guitar pickups (8 in, 2 out).
I simply don't know of any other multichannel USB devices that work with linux!
cheers Miller
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:51:35PM +0200, Peter Plessas wrote:
Hi,
just my 2 cents
Michael Zacherl. wrote:
Hello, in Weimar and Berlin I noticed quite a few people are using small laptops/netbooks.
I'm in the market for a netbook now and want to run linux w/ the usual suspects for experimental electronic music (Pure Data, SC, Ardour, Processing etc.) Softwarewise Im currently looking at pure:dyne as the operating system.
pure:dyne is a great project, but I recommend sticking to plain debian, due to its large user base. Afaik, pure:dyne is based on Debian anyway.
But I'm open to suggestions.
What would you recommend for the hardware? Last time I checked some products was in 2009. I suppose battery life has improved, CPUs became a tad faster and linux runs a bit smoother on such a thing. What I really barely can cope with s the glossy screens, but I'm afraid there's no way around it.
Some brands have alternatives, I think Lenovos do....
I'm planning to connect a USB-audio interface, so Firewire is not an issue (which Jack has troubles with, IIRC). Very nice to have would be a built in modem w/ Sim-card slot for mobile data transfer. (Linux supported of course).
Try to find a laptop for music with a quiet fan.
PP.
What would you suggest? Thanks a lot, Michael.
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Hi Miller!
On 25.8.2011, at 19:29 , Miller Puckette wrote:
My only suggestion would be to make sure the screen has 768 pixels of vertical resolution (Hans found an HP model that does - I'm not sure if others exist or not.) Otherwise, you can't project at any higher res than 640x480, even if the screen itself claims more.
It appears that 1366x768 became a standard resolution on netbooks of that size. So this shouldn't be a big issue anymore. (fingers crossed)
I run Fedora (out of the box) with no trouble except I always seem to need to install a newer ALSA which requires recompiling the kernel; this would probably be easier in Debian than it is in Fedora.
Actually, I just knew Red Hat, before Fedora was released. I mostly used Ubuntu (but only until version 8) so I'm more familiar with that branch of Linux anyway.
Finally, I don't know of any perfect solution for more-than-2-channels of audio I/O via USB. The M-audio stuff doesn't work yet in duplex (they're working on that up in ALSA land). As of a week or 2 ago the latest ALSA tarballs work with Native Instruments TRAKTOR audio 10 - I've got that going but haven't yet tested thoroughly. Since the I/O is "phono" I'm unclear as to whether it does "RIAA equalization" or not; if so I'll make an inverse filter for Pd.
well ... doesn't sound that clean. I didn't think of multichannel interfaces connected to that machine rather than getting decent audio quality for stereo output. I talked to Dan Wilcox on the bus from Weimar to Berlin and he mentioned he successfully uses the Roland UA-25 line. For USB I just got my old and noisy ESI U24 box which needs to be replaced anyway. I should get my hands on a MOTU Ultralight at some point maybe that answers some questions. But that's all just in Apple-land so far.
Thanks a lot, Michael.
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:51:35PM +0200, Peter Plessas wrote:
Hi,
just my 2 cents
Michael Zacherl. wrote:
Hello, in Weimar and Berlin I noticed quite a few people are using small laptops/netbooks.
I'm in the market for a netbook now and want to run linux w/ the usual suspects for experimental electronic music (Pure Data, SC, Ardour, Processing etc.) Softwarewise Im currently looking at pure:dyne as the operating system.
pure:dyne is a great project, but I recommend sticking to plain debian, due to its large user base. Afaik, pure:dyne is based on Debian anyway.
But I'm open to suggestions.
What would you recommend for the hardware? Last time I checked some products was in 2009. I suppose battery life has improved, CPUs became a tad faster and linux runs a bit smoother on such a thing. What I really barely can cope with s the glossy screens, but I'm afraid there's no way around it.
Some brands have alternatives, I think Lenovos do....
I'm planning to connect a USB-audio interface, so Firewire is not an issue (which Jack has troubles with, IIRC). Very nice to have would be a built in modem w/ Sim-card slot for mobile data transfer. (Linux supported of course).
Try to find a laptop for music with a quiet fan.
PP.
What would you suggest? Thanks a lot, Michael.
-- hear the colours of noise: http://blauwurf.at http://soundcloud.com/noiseconformist
Hi Peter,
On 25.8.2011, at 12:51 , Peter Plessas wrote:
Michael Zacherl. wrote:
Hello, in Weimar and Berlin I noticed quite a few people are using small laptops/netbooks. I'm in the market for a netbook now and want to run linux w/ the usual suspects for experimental electronic music (Pure Data, SC, Ardour, Processing etc.) Softwarewise Im currently looking at pure:dyne as the operating system.
pure:dyne is a great project, but I recommend sticking to plain debian, due to its large user base. Afaik, pure:dyne is based on Debian anyway.
IIRC pure:dyne is a ubuntu derivate, which then again originates from Debian. I didn't work with Linux for more than two years, so I'll need to have a thorough look at it anyway. But I still do feel attracted to Debian and the like.
But I'm open to suggestions. What would you recommend for the hardware? Last time I checked some products was in 2009. I suppose battery life has improved, CPUs became a tad faster and linux runs a bit smoother on such a thing. What I really barely can cope with s the glossy screens, but I'm afraid there's no way around it.
Some brands have alternatives, I think Lenovos do....
didn't find one so far at Lenovo's site. It's pretty much just marketing info there, hard to find details. I just came across the LG Xnote P210 which looks interesting but then again rather is a full Notebook just of small size and is priced accordingly.
I'm planning to connect a USB-audio interface, so Firewire is not an issue (which Jack has troubles with, IIRC). Very nice to have would be a built in modem w/ Sim-card slot for mobile data transfer. (Linux supported of course).
Try to find a laptop for music with a quiet fan.
yup! My current 17" MBP (which is not to be replaced!) can be pretty noisy.
Thanks, Michael.
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On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:26:08AM +0200, Michael Zacherl. wrote:
Hello, in Weimar and Berlin I noticed quite a few people are using small laptops/netbooks.
I'm in the market for a netbook now and want to run linux w/ the usual suspects for experimental electronic music (Pure Data, SC, Ardour, Processing etc.) Softwarewise Im currently looking at pure:dyne as the operating system. But I'm open to suggestions.
What would you recommend for the hardware?
I recently faced the same problem and after quite a bit of research I ended up buying this: http://www.amazon.com/Gateway-LT3119u-11-6-Inch-Netbook-NightSky/dp/B003UNP0...
I am running Ubuntu GNU/Linux 32 bit on it (it is a 64bit CPU).
Pros:
* 1366 x 728, 11.6 inch screen (slightly larger than most other netbooks) * Small and light * Runs Linux well * 2GB memory * Dual core * Runs Pd with moderately heavy patches e.g. Garage Acid Lab :)
Cons:
* Battery life - about 2.5 hrs * Graphics card drivers are still under development - only does software 3d as far as I can tell * No sim card support (I have used a USB Modem successfully but usually I just tether to the internet through my Android phone). * The fan might be considered loud by some (I don't notice it, but you can make it out if there is no other noise in the room - it is covered by normal conversational volumes and the sound of my keyboard clacking, but it's definitely not completely silent).
So far I have taken it on a couple of airplane trips and it has really helped with mobility, through customs etc. compared to my old chunky laptop.
This netbook thing works for me - I don't think I'll go back to laptops again.
Cheers,
Chris.
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Hi Chris!
Thanks for that info! The netbook is intended as a supplement for my current workhorses, as a lightweight mobile device. (My 17" MBP is portable but not really "mobile" ;-)
The Gateway isn't available here in Austria, then again 2.5 hours of battery life is to short to my taste anyway. But it's good to have some references.
thanks a lot, Michael.
On 26.8.2011, at 03:11 , Chris McCormick wrote:
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:26:08AM +0200, Michael Zacherl. wrote:
Hello, in Weimar and Berlin I noticed quite a few people are using small laptops/netbooks.
I'm in the market for a netbook now and want to run linux w/ the usual suspects for experimental electronic music (Pure Data, SC, Ardour, Processing etc.) Softwarewise Im currently looking at pure:dyne as the operating system. But I'm open to suggestions.
What would you recommend for the hardware?
I recently faced the same problem and after quite a bit of research I ended up buying this: http://www.amazon.com/Gateway-LT3119u-11-6-Inch-Netbook-NightSky/dp/B003UNP0...
I am running Ubuntu GNU/Linux 32 bit on it (it is a 64bit CPU).
Pros:
- 1366 x 728, 11.6 inch screen (slightly larger than most other netbooks)
- Small and light
- Runs Linux well
- 2GB memory
- Dual core
- Runs Pd with moderately heavy patches e.g. Garage Acid Lab :)
Cons:
- Battery life - about 2.5 hrs
- Graphics card drivers are still under development - only does software 3d as far as I can tell
- No sim card support (I have used a USB Modem successfully but usually I just tether to the internet through my Android phone).
- The fan might be considered loud by some (I don't notice it, but you can make it out if there is no other noise in the room - it is covered by normal conversational volumes and the sound of my keyboard clacking, but it's definitely not completely silent).
So far I have taken it on a couple of airplane trips and it has really helped with mobility, through customs etc. compared to my old chunky laptop.
This netbook thing works for me - I don't think I'll go back to laptops again.
-- keep your ears open: http://blauwurf.at http://soundcloud.com/noiseconformist
I don't have a netbook, but I would be buying one at some point as well, when my 7-year-old thinkpad dies. I've done some basic research on this. I'm a fan of IBM/Lenovo, anyway. A friend of mine has an ideapad running Xp + ubuntu + hackintosh, everything ok. I guess that lenovo + asus have the best support for non-windows, but I might be outdated in this evaluation.
Did you consider using RME audio, like Multiface+Expresscard? Expensive, but very good. At least the pcmcia card worked out of the box with ubuntu, haven't heard any reports on the expresscard.
With base models of netbooks you might get the normal 1 Core, 1,6Ghz, 1Gb RAM, normal graphics. With expanded models, you can get more cores+speed+ram, and better graphics cards. At a price, of course.
João
Hello, in Weimar and Berlin I noticed quite a few people are using small laptops/netbooks.
I'm in the market for a netbook now and want to run linux w/ the usual suspects for experimental electronic music (Pure Data, SC, Ardour, Processing etc.) Softwarewise Im currently looking at pure:dyne as the operating system. But I'm open to suggestions.
What would you recommend for the hardware? Last time I checked some products was in 2009. I suppose battery life has improved, CPUs became a tad faster and linux runs a bit smoother on such a thing. What I really barely can cope with is the glossy screens, but I'm afraid there's no way around it. I'm planning to connect a USB-audio interface, so Firewire is not an issue (which Jack has troubles with, IIRC). Very nice to have would be a built in modem w/ Sim-card slot for mobile data transfer. (Linux supported of course).
What would you suggest? Thanks a lot, Michael.
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I have an ideapad u350 and can report it works great with the latest Ubuntu. Everything that I have used, including wireless, opengl, HDMI output, work out of the box without having to fiddle with drivers.
The VGA out will also drive a high resolution screen.
There was a problem with audio at one point about a year ago, but that has been fixed.
With the extended battery, it also goes for 9 hours before re-juicing.
I haven't tried the express slot, but I imagine it works.
-august.
I don't have a netbook, but I would be buying one at some point as well, when my 7-year-old thinkpad dies. I've done some basic research on this. I'm a fan of IBM/Lenovo, anyway. A friend of mine has an ideapad running Xp + ubuntu + hackintosh, everything ok. I guess that lenovo + asus have the best support for non-windows, but I might be outdated in this evaluation.
Did you consider using RME audio, like Multiface+Expresscard? Expensive, but very good. At least the pcmcia card worked out of the box with ubuntu, haven't heard any reports on the expresscard.
With base models of netbooks you might get the normal 1 Core, 1,6Ghz, 1Gb RAM, normal graphics. With expanded models, you can get more cores+speed+ram, and better graphics cards. At a price, of course.
João
Hello, in Weimar and Berlin I noticed quite a few people are using small laptops/netbooks.
I'm in the market for a netbook now and want to run linux w/ the usual suspects for experimental electronic music (Pure Data, SC, Ardour, Processing etc.) Softwarewise Im currently looking at pure:dyne as the operating system. But I'm open to suggestions.
What would you recommend for the hardware? Last time I checked some products was in 2009. I suppose battery life has improved, CPUs became a tad faster and linux runs a bit smoother on such a thing. What I really barely can cope with is the glossy screens, but I'm afraid there's no way around it. I'm planning to connect a USB-audio interface, so Firewire is not an issue (which Jack has troubles with, IIRC). Very nice to have would be a built in modem w/ Sim-card slot for mobile data transfer. (Linux supported of course).
What would you suggest? Thanks a lot, Michael.
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Hallo August, the U350 looks interesting but is too big to my taste. However this product line is worth a look anyway! Good to have a reference! Thanks, Michael.
On 27.8.2011, at 01:35 , august wrote:
I have an ideapad u350 and can report it works great with the latest Ubuntu. Everything that I have used, including wireless, opengl, HDMI output, work out of the box without having to fiddle with drivers.
The VGA out will also drive a high resolution screen.
There was a problem with audio at one point about a year ago, but that has been fixed.
With the extended battery, it also goes for 9 hours before re-juicing.
I haven't tried the express slot, but I imagine it works.
-august.
I don't have a netbook, but I would be buying one at some point as well, when my 7-year-old thinkpad dies. I've done some basic research on this. I'm a fan of IBM/Lenovo, anyway. A friend of mine has an ideapad running Xp + ubuntu + hackintosh, everything ok. I guess that lenovo + asus have the best support for non-windows, but I might be outdated in this evaluation.
Did you consider using RME audio, like Multiface+Expresscard? Expensive, but very good. At least the pcmcia card worked out of the box with ubuntu, haven't heard any reports on the expresscard.
With base models of netbooks you might get the normal 1 Core, 1,6Ghz, 1Gb RAM, normal graphics. With expanded models, you can get more cores+speed+ram, and better graphics cards. At a price, of course.
João
Hello, in Weimar and Berlin I noticed quite a few people are using small laptops/netbooks.
I'm in the market for a netbook now and want to run linux w/ the usual suspects for experimental electronic music (Pure Data, SC, Ardour, Processing etc.) Softwarewise Im currently looking at pure:dyne as the operating system. But I'm open to suggestions.
What would you recommend for the hardware? Last time I checked some products was in 2009. I suppose battery life has improved, CPUs became a tad faster and linux runs a bit smoother on such a thing. What I really barely can cope with is the glossy screens, but I'm afraid there's no way around it. I'm planning to connect a USB-audio interface, so Firewire is not an issue (which Jack has troubles with, IIRC). Very nice to have would be a built in modem w/ Sim-card slot for mobile data transfer. (Linux supported of course).
What would you suggest? Thanks a lot, Michael.
-- keep your ears open: http://blauwurf.at http://soundcloud.com/noiseconformist
Hallo João, I'm sort of used to IBM/Lenovo due to my day job until three years ago. I think I still like their quality. Unfortunately the website is just pretty but not that much helpful (or maybe it's just me). However, they offer a pretty broad range of products which looks interesting. I remember that Asus offer(ed) a small Eee with Meego (I think so) on it, which speaks for itself. I'll look closer at the Ideapad range. I didn't consider any particular audio interface so far. Multichannel is not a big issue, I got my Macs and my MOTU interface for that. Novertheless a smaller box with just four outputs could be interesting. We got RME and Apogee at the institute, PCMCIA is not supported on that small netbooks, AFAIKS. Dan W. mentioned the Roland line of interfaces he uses, I'll look at that was well. I'll keep you posted. Thanks & soon, Michael.
On 27.8.2011, at 01:13 , João Pais wrote:
I don't have a netbook, but I would be buying one at some point as well, when my 7-year-old thinkpad dies. I've done some basic research on this. I'm a fan of IBM/Lenovo, anyway. A friend of mine has an ideapad running Xp + ubuntu + hackintosh, everything ok. I guess that lenovo + asus have the best support for non-windows, but I might be outdated in this evaluation.
Did you consider using RME audio, like Multiface+Expresscard? Expensive, but very good. At least the pcmcia card worked out of the box with ubuntu, haven't heard any reports on the expresscard.
With base models of netbooks you might get the normal 1 Core, 1,6Ghz, 1Gb RAM, normal graphics. With expanded models, you can get more cores+speed+ram, and better graphics cards. At a price, of course.
João
Hello, in Weimar and Berlin I noticed quite a few people are using small laptops/netbooks.
I'm in the market for a netbook now and want to run linux w/ the usual suspects for experimental electronic music (Pure Data, SC, Ardour, Processing etc.) Softwarewise Im currently looking at pure:dyne as the operating system. But I'm open to suggestions.
What would you recommend for the hardware? Last time I checked some products was in 2009. I suppose battery life has improved, CPUs became a tad faster and linux runs a bit smoother on such a thing. What I really barely can cope with is the glossy screens, but I'm afraid there's no way around it. I'm planning to connect a USB-audio interface, so Firewire is not an issue (which Jack has troubles with, IIRC). Very nice to have would be a built in modem w/ Sim-card slot for mobile data transfer. (Linux supported of course).
What would you suggest? Thanks a lot, Michael.
-- hear the colours of noise: http://blauwurf.at http://soundcloud.com/noiseconformist