Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:01:06 -0400 From: Kurt Ralske kurtralske@earthlink.net Subject: [max-msp] Re: HOW TO PROTECT A STANDALONE APP THE BEST? challenge, don
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Trond Lossius wrote:
I've seen several mails on the list lately of apps made using Max, and the author wanting to charge for the apps and copy protecting them. To me, this is a disappointment. The Max community up to now has been quite open in terms of sharing 3rd part externals and abstractions. I'd suggest that we take this one step further, and release externals, abstractions, patches and apps under the GNU GPL open source license. I believe that the collective benefits from being able to use externals++ made by others far outweight the financial benefits of selling your Max-made apps.
Also keep in mind that a lot of 3rd part externals (including mine) are released with a license that denies the right to use them in any apps that are charged for. I know of at least one app curently available that is violating the license of one or more 3rd part externals.
I agree with Trond whole-heartedly.
There has been little or no commercial software written in Max. The release of commercial Max software changes the dynamic of the Max community.
I think I know which application Trond is referring to. It is written in Max and retails for more than the cost of Max. It contains code from at least three prominent Max users, without their permission.
Most disturbingly, some of the incorporated code was posted to this and other mailing lists for tutorial purposes.
These bits of code were posted with altruism, to share with the community. That they are being used for someone else's profit seems quite unfair.
Per VilleZ wrote:
If we are to call Max/Msp a 'programming environment' and potential buyers know 'clearly' where they stand as regards the development of financially rewarding products, I don't see a problem.
True enough, in theory. But in practice, Max has been used solely by academics and artists. It's unclear if using Max to write commercial-grade software was/is the intention of its creators. The Max community has existed free from the influence of the marketplace. Until now.
It's important that the community become aware of this rather large change.
I STRONGLY urge all creators of externals, abstractions, and patches not to distribute their work without enclosing the the GNU GPL open source license.
Kurt Ralske
until Cycling74 apologizes for all illegal activities they have undertaken
and Ircam ceases to grant them a monopoly - there exists ironie.
Cycling74 constitutes the BIGGEST THIEF in the entire MAX "community".
Secondly - Cycling74 has _by _far committed the _most numerous clandestine immoral activities.
the MAX distribution is in part ILLEGAL.
am sympathetic to your argument however - for am aware you are referring to your objekts. tingles doesnt it +?
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Joshua Kit Clayton jclayton@sirius.com - korporat spy + thief
Subject: Re: [max-msp] pict and message
Stephen Kay wrote:
Don't forget, in the meantime, you could just take a screen shot of it. The "free" way is Command-Shift-3 (then find it on your desktop, and open it with some image-editing software), but I highly, highly recommend "Snapz Pro" - you can easily then just select the LCD screen, or a portion of it, etc.
cmd-shift-4 allows one to select a rectangular region. cmd-shift-4-capslock captures the contents of the foreground window.
But the LCD solution is much better since it may be automated.
- -Joshua
+ this little kr!!!ket - David Zicarelli - http://www.m9ndfukc.org/cycling74
And for those of you appreciate NATO, I hope you also appreciate that the source code for the Max movie object was not released under any restrictions.
David Z.
permit someone to smile. the only reason you and 2 others havent yet received an invitation is because i am nicer than my attorneys.
do not despair however.
secondly anyone can program better than you. your serf Joshua , certainly can.
face it - you are an exploiter.
i can select any a r t i s t and within 3 months he [to be fair] will render you null.
i am ready.
http://www.m9ndfukc.org/cycling74
what is sodium free has no calories and is naturally flavored +?
i love preliminaries. garbo said (39)
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