The question was aimed at Skye (should have stated that directly).Ok - aaargh - I've not been accurate or explicit, and again - sorry.Antonio - I get you're the reviewer (didn't at first), took me a while but I'm on it now
(and btw in academia most reviews, peer or otherwise, are in my experience strictly for kudos so getting something is better than bugger all - if it materialises of course).
I'm curious about these things as I've never come across this in practice before and would like to see how it's formalised, that's all.
Regards,
JulianOn 19 November 2013 18:44, Antonio Roberts <antonio@hellocatfood.com> wrote:
Addressing me on this? I didn't have a contract as I was just a tech reviewer. Bryan Chung http://www.magicandlove.com/ is the author and the one I presume had a contract
On 19/11/13 18:35, Julian Brooks wrote:
Out of curiosity (and of course if there's anything sensitive in there
then of course don't bother, but, I'd be really curious to see how the
FLOSS contribution is worded in your contract? (I have an academic
interest in these things)
Regards,
Julian
On 19 November 2013 16:15, Skye Book <skye.book@gmail.com<mailto:skye.book@gmail.com>> wrote:
Nice to hear there’s a PD book :)
On Nov 19, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Antonio Roberts<antonio@hellocatfood.com <mailto:antonio@hellocatfood.com>> wrote:
>> Really sorry for my laziness. I just opened it and saw your name!!¬!
>> Listen, we're really grateful for your support. There aren't enough
>> books about Pure Data programming out there, and I'm sure my
students
>> will find this really helpful.
> That's why I agreed to do it. I think there's plenty of resources
out there for PD music/audio programming but none dedicated to just
visuals. The book was a bit too basic for my needs, but it would've
been invaluable to me three years ago!
>
> Also, no need to thank me, I didn't write it! Regardless, I'm
glad that you/your students will find it useful. I'm glad the book
now exists, I just wish Packt were clearer on the whole royalties
situation.
>
>> Once again, I think the person you need to talk to is Hans
>> Cristoph-Steiner, but I am sure he'll read this thread.
> Hopefully he will. Packt do a lot of books about open source
software so I'll be interested in hearing if those projects get
royalties/support as well.
We’ve had some dealings with Packt for the jMonkeyEngine Beginners
Guide
[http://www.packtpub.com/jmonkeyengine-3-0-with-java-programming-beginners-guide/book]
and have heard similar from them on contributing some royalties back
to FOSS. The offer seemed quite real, though I don’t know anything
in terms of sales numbers or if we’ve had any money find its way
back to the project. I’d be happy to throw the question to the
author though..
We don’t have any sort of entity set up around jME so there was some
discussion a while back about where that money should funnel as it
would ultimately go towards hosting costs.
>
>> Nice to meet you Antonio, even if it was slightly cack-handed
from my
>> end ;-)
> No harm done ;-) Out of interest, where do you teach?
>
> Antonio
>
> On Tue 19 Nov 2013 15:40:35 GMT, Ed Kelly wrote:
>> Oh Man!
>>
>> Really sorry for my laziness. I just opened it and saw your name!!¬!
>> Listen, we're really grateful for your support. There aren't enough
>> books about Pure Data programming out there, and I'm sure my
students
>> will find this really helpful.
>>
>> Once again, I think the person you need to talk to is Hans
>> Cristoph-Steiner, but I am sure he'll read this thread.
>>
>> Nice to meet you Antonio, even if it was slightly cack-handed
from my
>> end ;-)
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Ninja Jamm - a revolutionary new music remix app from Ninja Tune and
>> Seeper, for iPhone and iPad
>> http://www.ninjajamm.com/
>>
>>
>> Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics!
>> http://sharktracks.co.uk/
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, 15:15, Antonio Roberts<mailto:Pd-ot@iem.at>> <mailto:Pd-ot@iem.at <mailto:Pd-ot@iem.at>>> <antonio@hellocatfood.com <mailto:antonio@hellocatfood.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > I have the book "Multimedia Programming in Pure Data" in front
>> of me, published by Packt, by Brian WC Chung. No mention of
>> Antonio Roberts!
>> I'm one of the tech reviewers ;-)
>>
>> > Well in that case I apologise. Sorry Antonio, I didn't realise
>> you'd
>> > already published a book with them (blushing).
>> I didn't publish the book, just did a tech review of it. As I
briefly
>> said in a comment in the G+ thread, it wasn't a bad
experience but
>> not
>> a great one either. I considered it a good way to give back
to the
>> community (yes, I know you have to buy the book) and get my
name "out
>> there", but now that I've done it once I won't be doing it
again and
>> definitely not for them ;-)
>>
>> (on a separate note I'm also thinking about reviving the Pure
Data
>> Documentation Project)
>>
>> To me it seems like Packt are a legitimate business but aer
telling a
>> few porkies with regards to royalties
>>
>> On Tue 19 Nov 2013 14:24:23 GMT, Julian Brooks wrote:
>> > Hey Ed (& Antonio),
>> >
>> > Well in that case I apologise. Sorry Antonio, I didn't realise
>> you'd
>> > already published a book with them (blushing).
>> >
>> > My first comment was more from a reading of the original
link that
>> > Antonio forwarded. And from that, Packt look well suss.
>> >
>> > There's certainly no shortage of dodgy publishers about
(nor record
>> > labels for that matter) - guess it depends on the deal you can
>> wangle.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 19 November 2013 14:00, Ed Kelly <morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk
<mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk>
>> <mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk>>
>> > <mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk
<mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk> <mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk
<mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk>>>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > PS Antonio, nice favicon :)
>> >
>> > Ninja Jamm - a revolutionary new music remix app from
Ninja Tune
>> > and Seeper, for iPhone and iPad
>> > http://www.ninjajamm.com/
>> >
>> >
>> > Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with
>> dynamics!
>> > http://sharktracks.co.uk/
>> >
>> >
>> > On , Ed Kelly <morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk
<mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk>
>> <mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk>>
>> > <mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk
<mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk>
>> <mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk
<mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk>>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Damn - they changed Yahoo mail recently and I can't
seem to
>> > find it. However, www.hellocatfood.com
<http://www.hellocatfood.com>
>> > <http://www.hellocatfood.com
>> <http://www.hellocatfood.com/>> does indeed seem to be genuine,
>> > and Antonio does indeed seem to be a performer with
>> multimedia
>> > performer using Pure Data.
>> >
>> > This doesn't look like a hack, but "free money"
should always
>> > be treated with suspicion I'm sure.
>> >
>> > Probably the best way forward is for one of us to get in
>> touch
>> > with Packt publishing and request clarification.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Ed
>> >
>> > Ninja Jamm - a revolutionary new music remix app
from Ninja
>> > Tune and Seeper, for iPhone and iPad
>> > http://www.ninjajamm.com/
>> >
>> >
>> > Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now
with
>> > dynamics!
>> > http://sharktracks.co.uk/
>> >
>> >
>> > On , Ed Kelly <morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk
<mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk>
>> <mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk>>
>> > <mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk
<mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk>
>> <mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk
<mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk>>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hmm. I couldn't get the post Antonio was
referring to in
>> > his email. This could be a very sophisticated
form of
>> > phishing I suppose. Apologies for my naivety!
>> >
>> > I have the book "Multimedia Programming in Pure
Data" in
>> > front of me, published by Packt, by Brian WC
Chung. No
>> > mention of Antonio Roberts!
>> >
>> > I'll just take a look at the header for the email and get
>> > back to you. Let's not take too much time in
dealing with
>> > this.
>> >
>> > Ed
>> > Ninja Jamm - a revolutionary new music remix app
from
>> > Ninja Tune and Seeper, for iPhone and iPad
>> > http://www.ninjajamm.com/
>> >
>> >
>> > Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data,
now with
>> > dynamics!
>> > http://sharktracks.co.uk/
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, 13:41, Julian Brooks
>> > <jbeezez@gmail.com <mailto:jbeezez@gmail.com>
<mailto:jbeezez@gmail.com <mailto:jbeezez@gmail.com>>
>> <mailto:jbeezez@gmail.com <mailto:jbeezez@gmail.com>
<mailto:jbeezez@gmail.com <mailto:jbeezez@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Is this some kind of so-dry-I-don't-get-it
humour
>> 'cos
>> > they look well suss
>> >
>> > J
>> >
>> >
>> > On 19 November 2013 13:21, Ed Kelly
>> > <morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk
<mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk>
>> <mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk>>
>> > <mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk
<mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk>
>> <mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk
<mailto:morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk>>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Wow!
>> >
>> > Is the Pd foundation up and running? I
haven't
>> > followed the news (if there is any)
regarding
>> this.
>> >
>> > Perhaps this is within your scope Hans?
>> >
>> > Ed
>> >
>> > Ninja Jamm - a revolutionary new music
remix app
>> > from Ninja Tune and Seeper, for iPhone
and iPad
>> > http://www.ninjajamm.com/
>> >
>> >
>> > Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for
Pure Data,
>> > now with dynamics!
>> > http://sharktracks.co.uk/
>> >
>> >
>> > On Monday, 18 November 2013, 19:53, Antonio
>> > Roberts <antonio@hellocatfood.com
<mailto:antonio@hellocatfood.com>
>> <mailto:antonio@hellocatfood.com
<mailto:antonio@hellocatfood.com>>
>> > <mailto:antonio@hellocatfood.com
<mailto:antonio@hellocatfood.com>
>> <mailto:antonio@hellocatfood.com
<mailto:antonio@hellocatfood.com>>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > A representative of Packt Publishing
recently
>> > put out a call to
>> > developers of open source software
packages
>> > that are covered in their
>> > books to get in contact regarding
royalties.
>> > They claim that they give
>> > money to the authors _and_ the
project that
>> > the book is based upon.
>> > Text below:
>> >
>> > "I'm sorry that we haven't yet been
able to
>> > make this clear. I will
>> > have this looked in to and revised for
>> clarity.
>> > But, to confirm, authors receive
royalties on
>> > sales of their books but
>> > we also give a royalty, where the
book is
>> > based on an Open Source
>> > software or system, to the Project.
>> > I'm not at liberty to disclose the
names of
>> > projects that have
>> > received this royalty, only that
cumulatively
>> > we have given out a
>> > large sum of money to them.
>> > Please also treat this as a call out
to any
>> > Open Source project that
>> > we have published on to get in touch
with me
>> > should they not be
>> > receiving their royalties, we can
only send
>> > them to you if we have
>> > your details :) "
>> >
>> > Full thread here:
>> > https://plus.google.com/113862800338869870683/posts/PDVcovR7Sir
>> >
>>
<https://plus.google.com/113862800338869870683/posts/PDVcovR7Sir>See
>> > last comment from Jonathan Titmus
>> >
>> > --
>> > ============================
>> > antonio@hellocatfood.com <mailto:antonio@hellocatfood.com>
<mailto:antonio@hellocatfood.com <mailto:antonio@hellocatfood.com>>
>> > <mailto:antonio@hellocatfood.com
<mailto:antonio@hellocatfood.com>
>> <mailto:antonio@hellocatfood.com
<mailto:antonio@hellocatfood.com>>>
>> > http://www.hellocatfood.com <http://www.hellocatfood.com/>
>> > <http://www.hellocatfood.com/>
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