Dear List,
I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on Pavement's The Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I). It sounds like a constantly downward detuning reverb, I have no idea if this is an existing guitar effect or if it was created in studio by Nigel Godrich. My last attempt resulted in this ( http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/detuning-delay/), which doesn't really sound like the original at all...
I think I need delay lines driven by a phasor with a squared output, so that the speed at which the length of the delays increases is not constant. I also think I need to envelop the delay lines somehow, and switch between them so that the maximum length is never reached. But right now I short of ideas. From what i've found on the web, this should be doable with a granular delay, but I never used any granular stuff.
Any suggestion is welcome...
Cheers!
Pierre.
- Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com [2012-07-08 19:06]:
Dear List,
I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on Pavement's The Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I). It sounds like a constantly downward detuning reverb, I have no idea if this is an existing guitar effect or if it was created in studio by Nigel Godrich. My last
It is a short delay with a pitch shifter in its feedback loop. The detuning is a few cents only.
my few cents only :- Jo
attempt resulted in this ( http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/detuning-delay/), which doesn't really sound like the original at all...
I think I need delay lines driven by a phasor with a squared output, so that the speed at which the length of the delays increases is not constant. I also think I need to envelop the delay lines somehow, and switch between them so that the maximum length is never reached. But right now I short of ideas. From what i've found on the web, this should be doable with a granular delay, but I never used any granular stuff.
Any suggestion is welcome...
Cheers!
Pierre.
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On 08/07/12 19:01, Pierre Massat wrote:
Dear List,
I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on Pavement's The Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I). It sounds like a constantly downward detuning reverb,
'By ear' it sounds like a downward pitch shift triggered/reset at each guitar note with a slight gate on the attack itself, the shifting linearly (?) going down and with a reverb tail.
Attached is a quick try. The pitch-shift part is basically a rip-off of the audio/G09 example by Miller and a very rudimentary trigger with [env~] and a pipe (to delay the opening). Try playing with the parameters and let me know what you think ;)
Lorenzo.
Thank you both for your replies! I tried Lorenzo's solution. It didn't work prefectly at first (there were 2 things to fix, one with the message sent to the line~ controlling the pitch, the other one a few objects below with a [t b f]), but it's a good idea and i'm getting something really close to I wanted (I've attached the patch with my few minor corrections). Lorenzo, do you mind if i used it on my blog? Of course i'll mention the author, and your website or blog if you have one. Johanna, I'll try your option and i'll get back to you.
Cheers!
Pierre.
2012/7/9 Lorenzo Sutton lorenzofsutton@gmail.com
On 08/07/12 19:01, Pierre Massat wrote:
Dear List,
I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on Pavement's The Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=6N5tx68-d2Ihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I). It sounds like a constantly downward detuning reverb,
'By ear' it sounds like a downward pitch shift triggered/reset at each guitar note with a slight gate on the attack itself, the shifting linearly (?) going down and with a reverb tail.
Attached is a quick try. The pitch-shift part is basically a rip-off of the audio/G09 example by Miller and a very rudimentary trigger with [env~] and a pipe (to delay the opening). Try playing with the parameters and let me know what you think ;)
Lorenzo.
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Hi, i wouldn't count on it being a live (guitar) effect. It can be seen on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eEVpY9rjxQ that it's obviously played by use of some midi keyboard. gr~~~
2012/7/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com:
Dear List,
I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on Pavement's The Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I). It sounds like a constantly downward detuning reverb, I have no idea if this is an existing guitar effect or if it was created in studio by Nigel Godrich. My last attempt resulted in this (http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/detuning-delay/), which doesn't really sound like the original at all...
I think I need delay lines driven by a phasor with a squared output, so that the speed at which the length of the delays increases is not constant. I also think I need to envelop the delay lines somehow, and switch between them so that the maximum length is never reached. But right now I short of ideas. From what i've found on the web, this should be doable with a granular delay, but I never used any granular stuff.
Any suggestion is welcome...
Cheers!
Pierre.
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2012/7/10 Thomas Grill gr@grrrr.org
Hi, i wouldn't count on it being a live (guitar) effect. It can be seen on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eEVpY9rjxQ that it's obviously played by use of some midi keyboard. gr~~~
or maybe it's the guy in the background at 0:34 turning his tuning knobs ? ;)
2012/7/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com:
Dear List,
I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on Pavement's
The
Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I). It sounds like a constantly downward detuning reverb, I have no idea if this is an
existing
guitar effect or if it was created in studio by Nigel Godrich. My last attempt resulted in this (http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/detuning-delay/), which doesn't really sound like the original at all...
I think I need delay lines driven by a phasor with a squared output, so
that
the speed at which the length of the delays increases is not constant. I also think I need to envelop the delay lines somehow, and switch between them so that the maximum length is never reached. But right now I short
of
ideas. From what i've found on the web, this should be doable with a granular delay, but I never used any granular stuff.
Any suggestion is welcome...
Cheers!
Pierre.
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I got something working really nicely (using a short delay with a high feedback to get some sustain for the pitchshifter and to leave out quiter notes). I'll make a post tonight on my blog. Thank you all for your precious help! Btw, this instrumental version of the Hexx is really cool...
Cheers,
Pierre.
2012/7/10 tim vets timvets@gmail.com
2012/7/10 Thomas Grill gr@grrrr.org
Hi, i wouldn't count on it being a live (guitar) effect. It can be seen on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eEVpY9rjxQ that it's obviously played by use of some midi keyboard. gr~~~
or maybe it's the guy in the background at 0:34 turning his tuning knobs ? ;)
2012/7/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com:
Dear List,
I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on Pavement's
The
Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I). It sounds like a constantly downward detuning reverb, I have no idea if this is an
existing
guitar effect or if it was created in studio by Nigel Godrich. My last attempt resulted in this (http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/detuning-delay/), which doesn't really sound like the original at all...
I think I need delay lines driven by a phasor with a squared output, so
that
the speed at which the length of the delays increases is not constant. I also think I need to envelop the delay lines somehow, and switch between them so that the maximum length is never reached. But right now I short
of
ideas. From what i've found on the web, this should be doable with a granular delay, but I never used any granular stuff.
Any suggestion is welcome...
Cheers!
Pierre.
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Here's the link to the post, if you want to listen to the result and get the patch. http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/thehexxciter-detuning-reverb-...
Cheers!
Pierre.
2012/7/10 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
I got something working really nicely (using a short delay with a high feedback to get some sustain for the pitchshifter and to leave out quiter notes). I'll make a post tonight on my blog. Thank you all for your precious help! Btw, this instrumental version of the Hexx is really cool...
Cheers,
Pierre.
2012/7/10 tim vets timvets@gmail.com
2012/7/10 Thomas Grill gr@grrrr.org
Hi, i wouldn't count on it being a live (guitar) effect. It can be seen on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eEVpY9rjxQ that it's obviously played by use of some midi keyboard. gr~~~
or maybe it's the guy in the background at 0:34 turning his tuning knobs ? ;)
2012/7/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com:
Dear List,
I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on
Pavement's The
Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I). It sounds like a constantly downward detuning reverb, I have no idea if this is an
existing
guitar effect or if it was created in studio by Nigel Godrich. My last attempt resulted in this (http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/detuning-delay/),
which
doesn't really sound like the original at all...
I think I need delay lines driven by a phasor with a squared output,
so that
the speed at which the length of the delays increases is not constant.
I
also think I need to envelop the delay lines somehow, and switch
between
them so that the maximum length is never reached. But right now I
short of
ideas. From what i've found on the web, this should be doable with a granular delay, but I never used any granular stuff.
Any suggestion is welcome...
Cheers!
Pierre.
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_very_ nice!! :-) m.
Zitat von Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com:
Here's the link to the post, if you want to listen to the result and get the patch. http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/thehexxciter-detuning-reverb-...
Cheers!
Pierre.
2012/7/10 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
I got something working really nicely (using a short delay with a high feedback to get some sustain for the pitchshifter and to leave out quiter notes). I'll make a post tonight on my blog. Thank you all for your precious help! Btw, this instrumental version of the Hexx is really cool...
Cheers,
Pierre.
2012/7/10 tim vets timvets@gmail.com
2012/7/10 Thomas Grill gr@grrrr.org
Hi, i wouldn't count on it being a live (guitar) effect. It can be seen on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eEVpY9rjxQ that it's obviously played by use of some midi keyboard. gr~~~
or maybe it's the guy in the background at 0:34 turning his tuning knobs ? ;)
2012/7/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com:
Dear List,
I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on
Pavement's The
Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I). It sounds like a constantly downward detuning reverb, I have no idea if this is an
existing
guitar effect or if it was created in studio by Nigel Godrich. My last attempt resulted in this (http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/detuning-delay/),
which
doesn't really sound like the original at all...
I think I need delay lines driven by a phasor with a squared output,
so that
the speed at which the length of the delays increases is not constant.
I
also think I need to envelop the delay lines somehow, and switch
between
them so that the maximum length is never reached. But right now I
short of
ideas. From what i've found on the web, this should be doable with a granular delay, but I never used any granular stuff.
Any suggestion is welcome...
Cheers!
Pierre.
-- on the road, in a lecture, whereever ...
On 10/07/12 23:00, Pierre Massat wrote:
Here's the link to the post, if you want to listen to the result and get the patch. http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/thehexxciter-detuning-reverb-...
Nice! (and nice example of collaboration ;)
Lorenzo.
Cheers!
Pierre.
2012/7/10 Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.com mailto:pimassat@gmail.com>
I got something working really nicely (using a short delay with a high feedback to get some sustain for the pitchshifter and to leave out quiter notes). I'll make a post tonight on my blog. Thank you all for your precious help! Btw, this instrumental version of the Hexx is really cool... Cheers, Pierre. 2012/7/10 tim vets <timvets@gmail.com <mailto:timvets@gmail.com>> 2012/7/10 Thomas Grill <gr@grrrr.org <mailto:gr@grrrr.org>> Hi, i wouldn't count on it being a live (guitar) effect. It can be seen on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eEVpY9rjxQ that it's obviously played by use of some midi keyboard. gr~~~ or maybe it's the guy in the background at 0:34 turning his tuning knobs ? ;) 2012/7/8 Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.com <mailto:pimassat@gmail.com>>: > Dear List, > > I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on Pavement's The > Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I). It sounds like a > constantly downward detuning reverb, I have no idea if this is an existing > guitar effect or if it was created in studio by Nigel Godrich. My last > attempt resulted in this > (http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/detuning-delay/), which > doesn't really sound like the original at all... > > I think I need delay lines driven by a phasor with a squared output, so that > the speed at which the length of the delays increases is not constant. I > also think I need to envelop the delay lines somehow, and switch between > them so that the maximum length is never reached. But right now I short of > ideas. From what i've found on the web, this should be doable with a > granular delay, but I never used any granular stuff. > > Any suggestion is welcome... > > Cheers! > > Pierre. > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > -- Thomas Grill http://grrrr.org _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Yes, thanks again for this idea man!
Pierre.
2012/7/11 Lorenzo Sutton lorenzofsutton@gmail.com
On 10/07/12 23:00, Pierre Massat wrote:
Here's the link to the post, if you want to listen to the result and get the patch. http://guitarextended.**wordpress.com/2012/07/10/** thehexxciter-detuning-reverb-**better/http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/thehexxciter-detuning-reverb-better/
Nice! (and nice example of collaboration ;)
Lorenzo.
Cheers!
Pierre.
2012/7/10 Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.com mailto:pimassat@gmail.com>
I got something working really nicely (using a short delay with a high feedback to get some sustain for the pitchshifter and to leave out quiter notes). I'll make a post tonight on my blog. Thank you all for your precious help! Btw, this instrumental version of the Hexx is really cool... Cheers, Pierre. 2012/7/10 tim vets <timvets@gmail.com <mailto:timvets@gmail.com>> 2012/7/10 Thomas Grill <gr@grrrr.org <mailto:gr@grrrr.org>> Hi, i wouldn't count on it being a live (guitar) effect. It can be seen on http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=5eEVpY9rjxQ<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eEVpY9rjxQ>that it's obviously played by use of some midi keyboard. gr~~~ or maybe it's the guy in the background at 0:34 turning his tuning knobs ? ;) 2012/7/8 Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.com <mailto:pimassat@gmail.com>>: > Dear List, > > I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on Pavement's The > Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=6N5tx68-d2I<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I>).It sounds like a > constantly downward detuning reverb, I have no idea if this is an existing > guitar effect or if it was created in studio by Nigel Godrich. My last > attempt resulted in this > (http://guitarextended.**wordpress.com/2012/07/08/** detuning-delay/http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/detuning-delay/ ), which > doesn't really sound like the original at all... > > I think I need delay lines driven by a phasor with a squared output, so that > the speed at which the length of the delays increases is not constant. I > also think I need to envelop the delay lines somehow, and switch between > them so that the maximum length is never reached. But right now I short of > ideas. From what i've found on the web, this should be doable with a > granular delay, but I never used any granular stuff. > > Any suggestion is welcome... > > Cheers! > > Pierre. > > ______________________________**_________________ > Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list
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