hi, I guess that is not possible... I am using plot to draw an array, then select the array in editmode and drag it around. is there any possibility to get the new absolute position? I really doubt this is possible... too bad. Btw. I also would like to be able to change the length of a plot, add/delete values, maybe with shiftclick? and there is also no possibility to use a table-array as an input source for a datastructure array. and does selecting and duplicating actually create new data? and btw the intro file for the datastructures still talks about "templates" can I replace template with "struct"? and btw pix_dump of a 100*100 image freezes pd. (probably has something to do with console output on OS X?) cheers, marius.