Thanks Frank, Meka[ni],

permissions are fine and it looks like snd-rawmidi module is loaded aconnect -lio

client 0: 'System' [type=kernel] 0 'Timer ' 1 'Announce ' Connecting To: 128:0 client 64: 'Rawmidi 0 - DSP MIDI 1' [type=kernel] 0 'DSP MIDI 1 ' 32 'DSP MIDI 2 '

/sbin/lsmod (extract) snd-seq-midi 5312 0 (autoclean) (unused) snd-seq-midi-event 6304 0 (autoclean) [snd-seq-midi] snd-pcm-oss 45028 0 (autoclean) snd-mixer-oss 16432 0 (autoclean) [snd-pcm-oss] snd-seq 49712 3 [snd-seq-midi snd-seq-midi-event] snd-hdsp 47532 3 snd-rawmidi 19744 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-hdsp] snd-seq-device 6284 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-seq snd-rawmidi] snd-pcm 86976 2 [snd-pcm-oss snd-hdsp] snd-timer 20996 0 [snd-seq snd-pcm] snd-page-alloc 9908 0 [snd-hdsp snd-pcm] snd-hwdep 7136 0 [snd-hdsp] snd 47428 1 [snd-seq-midi snd-seq-midi-event snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-seq snd-hdsp snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device snd-pcm snd-timer snd-hwdep] soundcore 6692 7 [snd]

when i do a -listdev in pd: no midi input devices found

under the gui it is listed as: OSS midi device #1

thanks,

rob www.robcanning.utvinternet.com