This is a good idea, I would suggest using a public google doc or pirate pad and we can add the link to the top of the issue. Please *do not* flood the Github discussion with constant posts. If/when a doc is created, send me the link so we can all stay on the same (virtual) page.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:40 AM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
On 2017-02-15 16:20, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
Cool, thanx for the screen-shot.
how about collecting the metrics information on some webpage (e.g. a github ticket [1]). i'm pretty sure that most of us have been lost in the recent mail storm :-)
ghsm dr IOhannes
[1] e.g. the recent [WIP] pull-request by Dan might be a start: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/42 https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/42
or even better: create a new issue with the sole purpose of collecting metrics.
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
A third option would be a Github wiki page on the pure-data repository, assuming everyone has a GH account.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
This is a good idea, I would suggest using a public google doc or pirate pad and we can add the link to the top of the issue. Please *do not* flood the Github discussion with constant posts. If/when a doc is created, send me the link so we can all stay on the same (virtual) page.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:40 AM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
On 2017-02-15 16:20, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
Cool, thanx for the screen-shot.
how about collecting the metrics information on some webpage (e.g. a github ticket [1]). i'm pretty sure that most of us have been lost in the recent mail storm :-)
ghsm dr IOhannes
[1] e.g. the recent [WIP] pull-request by Dan might be a start: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/42 https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/42
or even better: create a new issue with the sole purpose of collecting metrics.
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
I went ahead and created a wiki page: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/wiki/Crossplatform-font-metrics-&... https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/wiki/Crossplatform-font-metrics-&-comparisons
You can post pictures there and write in Markdown. It should be publicly editable.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
A third option would be a Github wiki page on the pure-data repository, assuming everyone has a GH account.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com mailto:danomatika@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a good idea, I would suggest using a public google doc or pirate pad and we can add the link to the top of the issue. Please *do not* flood the Github discussion with constant posts. If/when a doc is created, send me the link so we can all stay on the same (virtual) page.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:40 AM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
On 2017-02-15 16:20, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
Cool, thanx for the screen-shot.
how about collecting the metrics information on some webpage (e.g. a github ticket [1]). i'm pretty sure that most of us have been lost in the recent mail storm :-)
ghsm dr IOhannes
[1] e.g. the recent [WIP] pull-request by Dan might be a start: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/42 https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/42
or even better: create a new issue with the sole purpose of collecting metrics.
I thought it was a Joke.
Do we put the modifided “pd-gui.tcl” along with the patch t-metrics?
The tcl only works with 0.47.1 & covers the first 8 10 12 font sizes.
Is that the idea?
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
From: Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:16 PM To: Pd-List Cc: Alexandre Torres Porres; Lucas Cordiviola; Roman Haefeli Subject: Re: [PD] Pd Metrics on Xubuntu 16 04 02 LTS
I went ahead and created a wiki page: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/wiki/Crossplatform-font-metrics-&... Crossplatform font metrics & comparisons · pure-data/pure-data Wiki · GitHubhttps://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/wiki/Crossplatform-font-metrics-&-comparisons github.com pure-data - Pure Data - tracking Miller's SourceForge git repository (also used by libpd)
You can post pictures there and write in Markdown. It should be publicly editable.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.commailto:danomatika@gmail.com> wrote:
A third option would be a Github wiki page on the pure-data repository, assuming everyone has a GH account.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.commailto:danomatika@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a good idea, I would suggest using a public google doc or pirate pad and we can add the link to the top of the issue. Please *do not* flood the Github discussion with constant posts. If/when a doc is created, send me the link so we can all stay on the same (virtual) page.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:40 AM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.atmailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
On 2017-02-15 16:20, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
Cool, thanx for the screen-shot.
how about collecting the metrics information on some webpage (e.g. a github ticket [1]). i'm pretty sure that most of us have been lost in the recent mail storm :-)
ghsm dr IOhannes
[1] e.g. the recent [WIP] pull-request by Dan might be a start: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/42
or even better: create a new issue with the sole purpose of collecting metrics.
Best way is put only the part you changed and the line number. No need for the entire file.
enohp ym morf tunes
Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
On Feb 15, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Lucas Cordiviola lucarda27@hotmail.com wrote:
I thought it was a Joke.
Do we put the modifided “pd-gui.tcl” along with the patch t-metrics?
The tcl only works with 0.47.1 & covers the first 8 10 12 font sizes.
Is that the idea?
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
From: Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:16 PM To: Pd-List Cc: Alexandre Torres Porres; Lucas Cordiviola; Roman Haefeli Subject: Re: [PD] Pd Metrics on Xubuntu 16 04 02 LTS
I went ahead and created a wiki page: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/wiki/Crossplatform-font-metrics-&... Crossplatform font metrics & comparisons · pure-data/pure-data Wiki · GitHub github.com pure-data - Pure Data - tracking Miller's SourceForge git repository (also used by libpd)
You can post pictures there and write in Markdown. It should be publicly editable.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
A third option would be a Github wiki page on the pure-data repository, assuming everyone has a GH account.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
This is a good idea, I would suggest using a public google doc or pirate pad and we can add the link to the top of the issue. Please *do not* flood the Github discussion with constant posts. If/when a doc is created, send me the link so we can all stay on the same (virtual) page.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:40 AM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
On 2017-02-15 16:20, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
Cool, thanx for the screen-shot.
how about collecting the metrics information on some webpage (e.g. a github ticket [1]). i'm pretty sure that most of us have been lost in the recent mail storm :-)
ghsm dr IOhannes
[1] e.g. the recent [WIP] pull-request by Dan might be a start: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/42
or even better: create a new issue with the sole purpose of collecting metrics.
Can you edit the opening part ie. why we are doing this?
the rest is it ok?
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
From: Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:53 PM To: Lucas Cordiviola Cc: Pd-List; Alexandre Torres Porres; Roman Haefeli Subject: Re: [PD] Pd Metrics on Xubuntu 16 04 02 LTS
Best way is put only the part you changed and the line number. No need for the entire file.
enohp ym morf tunes
Dan Wilcox danomatika.comhttp://danomatika.com
robotcowboy.comhttp://robotcowboy.com
On Feb 15, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27@hotmail.commailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com> wrote:
I thought it was a Joke.
Do we put the modifided “pd-gui.tcl” along with the patch t-metrics?
The tcl only works with 0.47.1 & covers the first 8 10 12 font sizes.
Is that the idea?
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
From: Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.commailto:danomatika@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:16 PM To: Pd-List Cc: Alexandre Torres Porres; Lucas Cordiviola; Roman Haefeli Subject: Re: [PD] Pd Metrics on Xubuntu 16 04 02 LTS
I went ahead and created a wiki page: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/wiki/Crossplatform-font-metrics-&...
You can post pictures there and write in Markdown. It should be publicly editable.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.commailto:danomatika@gmail.com> wrote:
A third option would be a Github wiki page on the pure-data repository, assuming everyone has a GH account.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.commailto:danomatika@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a good idea, I would suggest using a public google doc or pirate pad and we can add the link to the top of the issue. Please *do not* flood the Github discussion with constant posts. If/when a doc is created, send me the link so we can all stay on the same (virtual) page.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:40 AM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.atmailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
On 2017-02-15 16:20, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
Cool, thanx for the screen-shot.
how about collecting the metrics information on some webpage (e.g. a github ticket [1]). i'm pretty sure that most of us have been lost in the recent mail storm :-)
ghsm dr IOhannes
[1] e.g. the recent [WIP] pull-request by Dan might be a start: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/42
or even better: create a new issue with the sole purpose of collecting metrics.
It’s fine. The page is more of an addendum for the PR for now. I did some edits.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Lucas Cordiviola lucarda27@hotmail.com wrote:
Can you edit the opening part ie. why we are doing this?
the rest is it ok?
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
From: Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:53 PM To: Lucas Cordiviola Cc: Pd-List; Alexandre Torres Porres; Roman Haefeli Subject: Re: [PD] Pd Metrics on Xubuntu 16 04 02 LTS
Best way is put only the part you changed and the line number. No need for the entire file.
enohp ym morf tunes
Dan Wilcox danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
On Feb 15, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27@hotmail.com mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com> wrote:
I thought it was a Joke.
Do we put the modifided “pd-gui.tcl” along with the patch t-metrics?
The tcl only works with 0.47.1 & covers the first 8 10 12 font sizes.
Is that the idea?
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
From: Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com mailto:danomatika@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:16 PM To: Pd-List Cc: Alexandre Torres Porres; Lucas Cordiviola; Roman Haefeli Subject: Re: [PD] Pd Metrics on Xubuntu 16 04 02 LTS
I went ahead and created a wiki page: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/wiki/Crossplatform-font-metrics-&... https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/wiki/Crossplatform-font-metrics-&-comparisons
You can post pictures there and write in Markdown. It should be publicly editable.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com mailto:danomatika@gmail.com> wrote:
A third option would be a Github wiki page on the pure-data repository, assuming everyone has a GH account.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com mailto:danomatika@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a good idea, I would suggest using a public google doc or pirate pad and we can add the link to the top of the issue. Please *do not* flood the Github discussion with constant posts. If/when a doc is created, send me the link so we can all stay on the same (virtual) page.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:40 AM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
On 2017-02-15 16:20, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
Cool, thanx for the screen-shot.
how about collecting the metrics information on some webpage (e.g. a github ticket [1]). i'm pretty sure that most of us have been lost in the recent mail storm :-)
ghsm dr IOhannes
[1] e.g. the recent [WIP] pull-request by Dan might be a start: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/42 https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/42
or even better: create a new issue with the sole purpose of collecting metrics.
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
Are you totally sure about:
/Applications/Pd-0.47-1.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd -font-face "DejaVu Sans Mono -font-weight normal"
I think the quotation is just for the name of the font.
please confirm.
The rest is super.
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
From: Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:12 PM To: Lucas Cordiviola Cc: Pd-List; Alexandre Torres Porres; Roman Haefeli Subject: Re: [PD] Pd Metrics on Xubuntu 16 04 02 LTS
It’s fine. The page is more of an addendum for the PR for now. I did some edits.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27@hotmail.commailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com> wrote:
Can you edit the opening part ie. why we are doing this?
the rest is it ok?
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
That was a typo, yes. Fixed.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 1:33 PM, Lucas Cordiviola lucarda27@hotmail.com wrote:
Are you totally sure about:
/Applications/Pd-0.47-1.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd -font-face "DejaVu Sans Mono -font-weight normal"
I think the quotation is just for the name of the font.
please confirm.
The rest is super.
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
From: Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:12 PM To: Lucas Cordiviola Cc: Pd-List; Alexandre Torres Porres; Roman Haefeli Subject: Re: [PD] Pd Metrics on Xubuntu 16 04 02 LTS
It’s fine. The page is more of an addendum for the PR for now. I did some edits.
On Feb 15, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27@hotmail.com mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com> wrote:
Can you edit the opening part ie. why we are doing this?
the rest is it ok?
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
On Mit, 2017-02-15 at 10:16 -0700, Dan Wilcox wrote:
I went ahead and created a wiki page: https://github.com/pure-data/pu re-data/wiki/Crossplatform-font-metrics-&-comparisons
You can post pictures there and write in Markdown. It should be publicly editable.
Thanks for creating the page. I added screenshots of t-metrics.pd for Ubuntu 16.04.
I wondered: What is the point of putting scaled images there? It's really hard to use those for comparisons.
I will add screenshots for Windows 10 tomorrow.
Roman
On Mit, 2017-02-15 at 21:56 +0100, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Mit, 2017-02-15 at 10:16 -0700, Dan Wilcox wrote:
I went ahead and created a wiki page: https://github.com/pure-data/ pu re-data/wiki/Crossplatform-font-metrics-&-comparisons
You can post pictures there and write in Markdown. It should be publicly editable.
Thanks for creating the page. I added screenshots of t-metrics.pd for Ubuntu 16.04.
Added t-metrics.pd screenshots for Windows 10. Boxes sizes are consistent through all tests, it seems.
I remember that I went nuts last time when I tried to fiddle with font metrics trying to get consistent box sizes between Windows and Ubuntu. I only realize now that I wasn't using the same font on both sides. DUH!! Things are a bit easier once the same font is used.
Is there the slightest chance of Pd on Windows using DejaVu without the user having to install it first?
Roman
Is there the slightest chance of Pd on Windows using DejaVu without the
user having to install it first?
Yes,
https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2017-02/117845.html
Do you know other method? Using C code?
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
From: Pd-list pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at on behalf of Roman Haefeli reduzent@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 8:15 AM To: pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd Metrics on Xubuntu 16 04 02 LTS
On Mit, 2017-02-15 at 21:56 +0100, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Mit, 2017-02-15 at 10:16 -0700, Dan Wilcox wrote:
I went ahead and created a wiki page: https://github.com/pure-data/
pu re-data/wiki/Crossplatform-font-metrics-&-comparisons
You can post pictures there and write in Markdown. It should be publicly editable.
Thanks for creating the page. I added screenshots of t-metrics.pd for Ubuntu 16.04.
Added t-metrics.pd screenshots for Windows 10. Boxes sizes are consistent through all tests, it seems.
I remember that I went nuts last time when I tried to fiddle with font metrics trying to get consistent box sizes between Windows and Ubuntu. I only realize now that I wasn't using the same font on both sides. DUH!! Things are a bit easier once the same font is used.
Is there the slightest chance of Pd on Windows using DejaVu without the user having to install it first?
Roman
On Don, 2017-02-16 at 10:09 +0000, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
Is there the slightest chance of Pd on Windows using DejaVu without
the user having to install it first?
Yes,
https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2017-02/117845.html
Yes, I actually saw it, but there was some concern about the chance of another tcl/tk extensions getting included into Pd.
Do you know other method? Using C code?
No, sorry. There isn't something I can contribute, I just wondered. Anyway, good you figured out a way that technically works.
Roman
On 2017-02-16 11:09, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
Is there the slightest chance of Pd on Windows using DejaVu without the
user having to install it first?
Yes,
https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2017-02/117845.html
Do you know other method? Using C code?
i already mentioned this in [42], but i still fail to see what is wrong with properly installing the font.
if there is an installer (and thanks to roman, Pd now (also) comes as a nice NSIS-based installer), this can easily be automated: installers are quite good at installing things (including fonts). otoh, writing custom code to work around tried and tested solutions, sounds a bit errorprone to me.
dfmrs IOhannes
[42] https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/42#issuecomment-279952348
I agree with you that the installer can handle the issue more correctly.
But
In my case (probably other users too) I never use the installer, I use the zip which just run. No registry keys no nothing. Also to switch from PCs, versions, various tests & and more.
But I can perfectly live if the issue is handled only with the installer.
work around tried and tested solutions,
sounds a bit errorprone to me.
The twapi solution is really straigth-forward. It will work yes or yes.
It adds around 1.2MB to the app.
600 for the fonts & 600 for the twapi.
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
From: Pd-list pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at on behalf of IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:50 AM To: pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd Metrics on Xubuntu 16 04 02 LTS
On 2017-02-16 11:09, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
Is there the slightest chance of Pd on Windows using DejaVu without the
user having to install it first?
Yes,
https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2017-02/117845.html
Do you know other method? Using C code?
i already mentioned this in [42], but i still fail to see what is wrong with properly installing the font.
if there is an installer (and thanks to roman, Pd now (also) comes as a nice NSIS-based installer), this can easily be automated: installers are quite good at installing things (including fonts). otoh, writing custom code to work around tried and tested solutions, sounds a bit errorprone to me.
dfmrs IOhannes
[42] https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/42#issuecomment-279952348
On Don, 2017-02-16 at 11:50 +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2017-02-16 11:09, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
Is there the slightest chance of Pd on Windows using DejaVu without the
user having to install it first?
Yes,
https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2017-02/117845.html
Do you know other method? Using C code?
i already mentioned this in [42], but i still fail to see what is wrong with properly installing the font.
if there is an installer (and thanks to roman, Pd now (also) comes as a nice NSIS-based installer), this can easily be automated: installers are quite good at installing things (including fonts). otoh, writing custom code to work around tried and tested solutions, sounds a bit errorprone to me.
Thanks for expressing your opinion. Personally, I do not have a strong preference for one way or the other. However, if installing fonts through installer has a higher likeliness of being adopted, I'll be happy to look into that.
Roman
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