Well, I have an old G3 now as a gift from a friend for helping him move. I was anticipating putting Linux on it and networking with my Windows box, but it turns out it still has Mac OS 9.2 installed. Now I'm thinking my best bet may be to install Linux like I did before, on the slave hard drive on the Windows machine, and set up one network between XP and Mac, and then another network between Linux and Mac. One of the main reasons I removed Linux was the inability to transfer files, and this would seem to rectify that.
Would this be the best way? I could alternately make a new partition on the Mac hard drive and put Linux there, or wipe it and make it totally Linux. I might end up having to do this if my friend can't tell me a password for root access on the G3 (the school where he teaches was getting rid of it).
So I have a couple of questions I was hoping you more experienced systems guys might answer: a) Is this in fact the best setup? A network from XP with Mac, and one from Linux to Mac? (I would like to gain experience with all three, but if OS 9.2 isn't worth the trouble I could wipe it.) Also, the Windows machine is 2 GHz, and I have no idea how slow the G3 is, definitely much slower.
b) Will it work okay to run -noaudio on a client and -nogui on the host? As of now I only have one keyboard/mouse/monitor, so I'm guessing these will have to be connected to the GUI and the speakers with the audio... I don't mind switching peripherals to get the thing up and running each time. Maybe the G3 should be the client. Or if necessary I could scour ebay for Mac peripherals.
c) Can I buy you a beer next time you're in Philly?
Thanks. Chuckk
On Mon, 3 Jul 2006, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
with the audio... I don't mind switching peripherals to get the thing up and running each time. Maybe the G3 should be the client. Or if necessary I could scour ebay for Mac peripherals. c) Can I buy you a beer next time you're in Philly?
The question is why would one want to go to Philadelphia? ;-)
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On 7/3/06, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
On Mon, 3 Jul 2006, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
with the audio... I don't mind switching peripherals to get the thing up and running each time. Maybe the G3 should be the client. Or if necessary I could scour ebay for Mac peripherals. c) Can I buy you a beer next time you're in Philly?
The question is why would one want to go to Philadelphia? ;-)
Free beer? Probably not for the academic institutions. David Lynch went to college here. He hated it.
-Chuckk
totally Linux. I might end up having to do this if my friend can't tell me a password for root access on the G3 (the school where he
mac os 9.2 needs a root password??
I would like to gain experience with all three, but if OS 9.2 isn't worth the trouble I could wipe it.)
linux can handle samba a lot easier and cheaper and performant than windows and mac(classic) can handle NFS. id keep the 9.2 around, and run it inside maconlinux. just for the cool apps that never made it to OSX (which you definitely dont want to run on the g3 - too slow..)
the Windows machine is 2 GHz, and I have no idea how slow the G3 is, definitely much slower.
i revived my debianized g3-266 as a desktop when my athlon32 died, before going all amd64 - it ran PD, Ardour, Fluxbox, XFCE and Opera fine. firefox was too slow, konqueror was almost as fast as opera. and im not sure how much cpu was really available in pd but it ran most of my sample-based patches with no trouble other than bursts of static due to the occasional file-endinanness issue..
On 7/3/06, carmen _@whats-your.name wrote:
totally Linux. I might end up having to do this if my friend can't tell me a password for root access on the G3 (the school where he
mac os 9.2 needs a root password??
All I know is it keeps telling me "this control panel item cannot be opened because it is locked".
I would like to gain experience with all three, but if OS 9.2 isn't worth the trouble I could wipe it.)
linux can handle samba a lot easier and cheaper and performant than windows and mac(classic) can handle NFS. id keep the 9.2 around, and run it inside maconlinux. just for the cool apps that never made it to OSX (which you definitely dont want to run on the g3 - too slow..)
I found a few references online to people making OS 10.3 work on b&w G3s...
the Windows machine is 2 GHz, and I have no idea how slow the G3 is, definitely much slower.
i revived my debianized g3-266 as a desktop when my athlon32 died, before going all amd64 - it ran PD, Ardour, Fluxbox, XFCE and Opera fine. firefox was too slow, konqueror was almost as fast as opera. and im not sure how much cpu was really available in pd but it ran most of my sample-based patches with no trouble other than bursts of static due to the occasional file-endinanness issue..
Now the CD-rom drive won't open. I may have to take it back and grab a different one (he had a stack of them and said I could just take one).
THanks. Chuckk
Now the CD-rom drive won't open. I may have to take it back and grab a different one (he had a stack of them and said I could just take one).
this is a pretty common problem. the case uses some funky contraption to pass through the button press. if the drive, or the outer plastic shell is not in the right place, the force won't be transferred. on top of that, the opening for the tray is exactly the size of the tray. so any offset means it won't come out. thank goodness for slot-loading drives, since apple has never been able to design a drive-bay flap to save their life
On 7/5/06, carmen _@whats-your.name wrote:
Now the CD-rom drive won't open. I may have to take it back and grab a different one (he had a stack of them and said I could just take one).
this is a pretty common problem. the case uses some funky contraption to pass through the button press. if the drive, or the outer plastic shell is not in the right place, the force won't be transferred. on top of that, the opening for the tray is exactly the size of the tray. so any offset means it won't come out. thank goodness for slot-loading drives, since apple has never been able to design a drive-bay flap to save their life
I peeled that flap down and pressed the actual button, no difference. It makes a short servo sound, followed by a sort of clickety thud, so I take it the drive is mechanically stuck.
-Chuckk
So I traded that G3 for another from the stack. Bits of plastic missing, but it works and has more room on the drive. I read online how one can network OSX and Windows with firewire... they call it "IP over Firewire": http://www.lifehacker.com/software/networking/geek-to-live-fast-one-wire-net... But it's mentioned as a way to transfer files. Does anyone know if this "network" method would work for running PD? If so it seems like it would be the perfect way, for its speed...
Thanks. Chuckk
On 7/5/06, Chuckk Hubbard badmuthahubbard@gmail.com wrote:
On 7/5/06, carmen _@whats-your.name wrote:
Now the CD-rom drive won't open. I may have to take it back and grab a different one (he had a stack of them and said I could just take one).
this is a pretty common problem. the case uses some funky contraption to pass through the button press. if the drive, or the outer plastic shell is not in the right place, the force won't be transferred. on top of that, the opening for the tray is exactly the size of the tray. so any offset means it won't come out. thank goodness for slot-loading drives, since apple has never been able to design a drive-bay flap to save their life
I peeled that flap down and pressed the actual button, no difference. It makes a short servo sound, followed by a sort of clickety thud, so I take it the drive is mechanically stuck.
-Chuckk
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