with all due respect, I feel your approach Mahatma is feeding war flames here. And I'm happy nobody is picking that up.
It's not about hierarchy, and if you would have been participating to the list for longer time you would perfectly know it (and if you are indeed on the list since long, then you easily know that.)
I can agree Mathieu and others (me included) can be a bit over the line sometimes, but I find more offensive your comment, than the previous ones.
Who gives you the right to publicly ask how to solve your personal issue with an individual thoughts? Who gives you the right to call people "wanna-be-gurus", when this is the ppl that allow you and me to play fancy stuff with a stupid computer.
Most importantly, which is the constructive aspect of your comment? Even a "hot" comment on the list is always pointed at creating a discussion, where your discussion is going? If you are not happy, you are completely free to do whatever makes you feel more comfortable. Just do it, ask the administrator, and find a solution to your problem, but putting it out here it's surely counterproductive, and possibly a direct provocation. Your last comment now has a clear provocative tone.
You already have the option to filter, delete whatever you like, so please do it, for your and our good sake.
This list is one of the best places for thoughts we have on-line. Some of us and myself might overreact sometimes, but it's also true that our communitarian self-criticism (as a list, not as individuals) always brings us back to the real world.
openness includes a bit of personal sacrifice imho.
mahatgma@gmail.com, this is your second post to the list, and you're already complaining about a member who has been here practically from its inception?
pull your head in, mate.
wouv, I was not aware of the strong hierarchy within this community. So, you imply that the "wanna-be gurus" on the top has right to piss off everyone and the incompetent members should obey/be quiet?
I would like to have the option of not seeing his comments in the cost of missing the completeness of the threads. Anyway it looks impossible for now.
Le 2012-03-11 à 12:03:00, Marco Donnarumma a écrit :
with all due respect, I feel your approach Mahatma is feeding war flames here. And I'm happy nobody is picking that up.
Have you considered that this user might be an anonymised version of an existing list member ? Or it might be a close friend of a list member.
Just the firstname "MahatGma" with a G doesn't look like it's a single person on Google Search, but searching for the full name leads you only to pd-list.
And it sounds a lot like a certain person who has been on pd-list for many years.
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Yep, I considered that too... in fact I specified in parenthesis, in the previous message.
M
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.cawrote:
Le 2012-03-11 à 12:03:00, Marco Donnarumma a écrit :
with all due respect, I feel your approach Mahatma is feeding war flames
here. And I'm happy nobody is picking that up.
Have you considered that this user might be an anonymised version of an existing list member ? Or it might be a close friend of a list member.
Just the firstname "MahatGma" with a G doesn't look like it's a single person on Google Search, but searching for the full name leads you only to pd-list.
And it sounds a lot like a certain person who has been on pd-list for many years.
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Le 2012-03-11 à 17:06:00, Marco Donnarumma a écrit :
Yep, I considered that too... in fact I specified in parenthesis, in the previous message.
Ah sorry, I didn't read the whole thread, and I didn't read much of the email I replied to.
I only assumed that if you wrote so long about it, then you are assuming that it's a real person.
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Yep, I did. I hopefully might be wrong and arguing with a virtual entity... :)
M
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.cawrote:
Le 2012-03-11 à 17:06:00, Marco Donnarumma a écrit :
Yep, I considered that too... in fact I specified in parenthesis, in the
previous message.
Ah sorry, I didn't read the whole thread, and I didn't read much of the email I replied to.
I only assumed that if you wrote so long about it, then you are assuming that it's a real person.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca To: Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at; i go bananas hard.off@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 12:59 PM Subject: [PD] Anonymity.
Le 2012-03-11 à 12:03:00, Marco Donnarumma a écrit :
with all due respect, I feel your approach Mahatma is feeding war flames
here. And I'm happy nobody is picking that up.
Have you considered that this user might be an anonymised version of an existing list member ? Or it might be a close friend of a list member.
Just the firstname "MahatGma" with a G doesn't look like it's a single person on Google Search, but searching for the full name leads you only to pd-list.
And it sounds a lot like a certain person who has been on pd-list for many years.
How is the true identity of the OP relevant here?
-Jonathan
Le 2012-03-11 à 10:12:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
From: Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca And it sounds a lot like a certain person who has been on pd-list for many years.
How is the true identity of the OP relevant here?
Because I doubt that this thread would have had as many posters and messages, if the real name had been written. New fresh names cause posters to have a very much different attitude. Using a fake name is a way to play with that change of attitude.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca To: Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com Cc: Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.com; "pd-list@iem.at" pd-list@iem.at; i go bananas hard.off@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Anonymity.
Le 2012-03-11 à 10:12:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
From: Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca And it sounds a lot like a certain person who has been on pd-list for
many years.
How is the true identity of the OP relevant here?
Because I doubt that this thread would have had as many posters and messages, if the real name had been written. New fresh names cause posters to have a very much different attitude. Using a fake name is a way to play with that change of attitude.
If that's true it doesn't go very far, because there is only one other person that agrees with the new poster, and if any more new posters suddenly arrived to agree it would raise serious red flags in such a small community.
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On 11/03/12 18:59, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchardmatju@artengine.ca To: Jonathan Wilkesjancsika@yahoo.com Cc: Marco Donnarummadevel@thesaddj.com; "pd-list@iem.at"pd-list@iem.at; i go bananashard.off@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Anonymity. Le 2012-03-11 à 10:12:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
From: Mathieu Bouchardmatju@artengine.ca And it sounds a lot like a certain person who has been on pd-list for
many years.
How is the true identity of the OP relevant here?
Because I doubt that this thread would have had as many posters and messages, if the real name had been written. New fresh names cause posters to have a very much different attitude. Using a fake name is a way to play with that change of attitude.
If that's true it doesn't go very far, because there is only one other person that agrees with the new poster, and if any more new posters suddenly arrived to agree it would raise serious red flags in such a small community.
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 09:21:45PM +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Hmm, so sevy seems like an obvious red herring.
Whoever put the hemlock in Mathieu's tea probably knows him, and has held a grudge over losing a game of Go thay swore to avenge many years ago...
The plot thickens...
(I was in the library. That's my story and I'm sticking to it)
It's a real person.
http://puredata.hurleur.com/recherche-1521813748.html
so i'm sorry Mathieu, but it seems that the dislike for your guru status is genuine. Maybe you could consider another vocation? :D
Le 2012-03-12 à 12:11:00, i go bananas a écrit :
It's a real person. http://puredata.hurleur.com/recherche-1521813748.html
This returns « no hits ». It seems that this URL can't be pasted.
And http://puredata.hurleur.com/profil-1751-mahatgma refers to Aykut Caglayan, who has been posting to pd-list using aykut_caglayan at yahoo.com in the last two years including 10 days ago, and it is not the same address as the new mahatgma.
It seems that jumping to conclusions is a popular sport ; especially as it actually involves less effort than not practicing it.
so i'm sorry Mathieu, but it seems that the dislike for your guru status
It is strange that this g-word springs up in the complaints, because this word comes up only a few times per year on pd-list, and it's rarely ever about someone in particular (once in several years...).
| Mathieu BOUCHARD ----- téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 ----- Montréal, QC
maybe my google works better than yours.
Le 2012-03-12 à 16:17:00, i go bananas a écrit :
maybe my google works better than yours. http://twitter.com/#!/mahatgma
Maybe you are not proving anything at all, neither with this nor the account on Hurleur. I already know that there is a user named mahatGma on Hurleur. You didn't show that either account was the same person as Rabintrah, and you are ignoring what I say about the possibility that they are two different people (though they have this unlikely name in common).
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yeah Mathieu, but the other side of the coin, is that you're suggesting that 'someone else' has made an elaborate plan to create a fake login just to slander you.
anyway, i don't see why i'm getting flack now. I was trying to stick up for you in the first place.
If only there was some way to filter your posts from this list....
:D
ola,
ola,
conclusion is :
although i've been slandered _again_ by people that will never apologize, i don't mind, this only shows the stupidity of the author of such mail as :
'i think it is sevy'
i'm just thinking i'm right to have left this community, and that's fine because i don't use pd anyway anymore, it sounds too poor and is way too limited for a real good interactive application.
i'm not the only one, many people switched to super-collider for sound, and open frameworks for interactivity, there's no more pd community in bcn, i must say.
that's it, so please that nobody ask me any help, support for people that treated me like that is discontinued ...
that's all, sevy
Sevy,
1.) I never said I THINK it is you, I said I SUSPECT it was you, so no slander... 2.) Also, I'm sorry if I offended you, I THOUGHT everyone was actually being humorous.
It was not my intention to hurt your feelings and for this I apologize.
Sincerely,
Patrick
On 3/13/12 12:43 PM, "ydegoyon@gmail.com" ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
ola,
ola,
conclusion is :
although i've been slandered _again_ by people that will never apologize, i don't mind, this only shows the stupidity of the author of such mail as :
'i think it is sevy'
i'm just thinking i'm right to have left this community, and that's fine because i don't use pd anyway anymore, it sounds too poor and is way too limited for a real good interactive application.
i'm not the only one, many people switched to super-collider for sound, and open frameworks for interactivity, there's no more pd community in bcn, i must say.
that's it, so please that nobody ask me any help, support for people that treated me like that is discontinued ...
that's all, sevy
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Pagano, Patrick pat@digitalworlds.ufl.eduwrote:
Sevy,
1.) I never said I THINK it is you, I said I SUSPECT it was you, so no slander... 2.) Also, I'm sorry if I offended you, I THOUGHT everyone was actually being humorous.
It was not my intention to hurt your feelings and for this I apologize.
Sincerely,
Patrick
On 3/13/12 12:43 PM, "ydegoyon@gmail.com" ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
ola,
ola,
conclusion is :
although i've been slandered _again_ by people that will never apologize, i don't mind, this only shows the stupidity of the author of such mail as :
'i think it is sevy'
i'm just thinking i'm right to have left this community, and that's fine because i don't use pd anyway anymore, it sounds too poor and is way too limited for a real good interactive application.
i'm not the only one, many people switched to super-collider for sound, and open frameworks for interactivity, there's no more pd community in bcn, i must say.
that's it, so please that nobody ask me any help, support for people that treated me like that is discontinued ...
that's all, sevy
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who are you stupid man with your geeky stupid links?
same adolescent humor as the others?
good you lost your time, i've read that many times and don't find no sense in that ...
better see 'rampart' than your crap...
Dominic Pflaum wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Pagano, Patrick <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu mailto:pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
Sevy, 1.) I never said I THINK it is you, I said I SUSPECT it was you, so no slander... 2.) Also, I'm sorry if I offended you, I THOUGHT everyone was actually being humorous. It was not my intention to hurt your feelings and for this I apologize. Sincerely, Patrick On 3/13/12 12:43 PM, "ydegoyon@gmail.com <mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com>" <ydegoyon@gmail.com <mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com>> wrote: >ola, > >ola, > >conclusion is : > >although i've been slandered _again_ by people that >will never apologize, i don't mind, >this only shows the stupidity of the author >of such mail as : > >'i think it is sevy' > >i'm just thinking i'm right to have left this community, >and that's fine because i don't use pd anyway anymore, >it sounds too poor and is way too limited >for a real good interactive application. > >i'm not the only one, many people switched to super-collider for sound, >and open frameworks for interactivity, >there's no more pd community in bcn, i must say. > >that's it, >so please that nobody ask me any help, >support for people that treated me like that >is discontinued ... > >that's all, >sevy > > >_______________________________________________ >Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list >UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
it has not made very clear, what the f*** is that to answer a discussion with a link to a movie, a video or whatever?
are you geek enough to not use arguments anymore?
ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
who are you stupid man with your geeky stupid links?
same adolescent humor as the others?
good you lost your time, i've read that many times and don't find no sense in that ...
better see 'rampart' than your crap...
Dominic Pflaum wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Pagano, Patrick <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu mailto:pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
Sevy, 1.) I never said I THINK it is you, I said I SUSPECT it was you,so no slander... 2.) Also, I'm sorry if I offended you, I THOUGHT everyone was actually being humorous.
It was not my intention to hurt your feelings and for this I apologize. Sincerely, Patrick On 3/13/12 12:43 PM, "ydegoyon@gmail.commailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com" <ydegoyon@gmail.com mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com> wrote:
ola,
ola,
conclusion is :
although i've been slandered _again_ by people that will never apologize, i don't mind, this only shows the stupidity of the author of such mail as :
'i think it is sevy'
i'm just thinking i'm right to have left this community, and that's fine because i don't use pd anyway anymore, it sounds too poor and is way too limited for a real good interactive application.
i'm not the only one, many people switched to super-collider for
sound,and open frameworks for interactivity, there's no more pd community in bcn, i must say.
that's it, so please that nobody ask me any help, support for people that treated me like that is discontinued ...
that's all, sevy
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----- Original Message -----
From: "ydegoyon@gmail.com" ydegoyon@gmail.com To: Dominic Pflaum dompflaum@gmail.com Cc: "pd-list@iem.at" pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 3:04 AM Subject: Re: [PD] Anonymity.
who are you stupid man with your geeky stupid links?
same adolescent humor as the others?
good you lost your time, i've read that many times and don't find no sense in that ...
better see 'rampart' than your crap...
sevy, I've asked ignorant technical questions on the list and made erroneous assertions about Pd-- and in your response you weren't condescending and didn't call me names. In fact I've never seen a technical response from you that wasn't clear and helpful.
So why do you have such a consistently harsher response when the topic is non-technical?
I think it is wrong to accuse you of fabricating an account, and it has a negative effect on open communication. But it's hard to take your complaints here seriously when your responses are so much more careful and considerate in the technical domain.
-Jonathan
Dominic Pflaum wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Pagano, Patrick <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu mailto:pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu>
wrote:
Sevy,
1.) I never said I THINK it is you, I said I SUSPECT it was you, so no slander... 2.) Also, I'm sorry if I offended you, I THOUGHT everyone was
actually
being humorous.
It was not my intention to hurt your feelings and for this I apologize.
Sincerely,
Patrick
On 3/13/12 12:43 PM, "ydegoyon@gmail.com mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com" <ydegoyon@gmail.com mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com> wrote:
>ola, > >ola, > >conclusion is : > >although i've been slandered _again_ by people that >will never apologize, i don't mind, >this only shows the stupidity of the author >of such mail as : > >'i think it is sevy' > >i'm just thinking i'm right to have left this community, >and that's fine because i don't use pd anyway anymore, >it sounds too poor and is way too limited >for a real good interactive application. > >i'm not the only one, many people switched to super-collider
for
sound, >and open frameworks for interactivity, >there's no more pd community in bcn, i must say. > >that's it, >so please that nobody ask me any help, >support for people that treated me like that >is discontinued ... > >that's all, >sevy > > >_______________________________________________ >Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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That gave me 'sorry, your search returned no hits'
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:11:29 +0900 From: hard.off@gmail.com To: padawan12@obiwannabe.co.uk CC: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Anonymity.
It's a real person.
http://puredata.hurleur.com/recherche-1521813748.html
so i'm sorry Mathieu, but it seems that the dislike for your guru status is genuine. Maybe you could consider another vocation? :D
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yes yes. here is the link again:
http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-5555-interpolation-arrayed-pairs
Yes, mahatGma said some obnoxious things, but this seems to be gradually turning into a witch hunt.
.hc
On Mar 12, 2012, at 4:26 AM, i go bananas wrote:
yes yes. here is the link again:
http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-5555-interpolation-arrayed-pairs
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There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste
I suspect it is sevy.
On Mar 11, 2012, at 12:59 PM, "Mathieu Bouchard" matju@artengine.ca wrote:
Le 2012-03-11 à 12:03:00, Marco Donnarumma a écrit :
with all due respect, I feel your approach Mahatma is feeding war flames here. And I'm happy nobody is picking that up.
Have you considered that this user might be an anonymised version of an existing list member ? Or it might be a close friend of a list member.
Just the firstname "MahatGma" with a G doesn't look like it's a single person on Google Search, but searching for the full name leads you only to pd-list.
And it sounds a lot like a certain person who has been on pd-list for many years.
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