Hi Philippe,
The problem is of course how Pd interacts with the operating system, which seems stable in 0.39 in this respect and unstable in 0.43.
The "operating system" way to workaround this restriction is use the strategy discussed on the bittorrent site I already quoted. Open the terminal and type:
ulimit -n 2000
or maybe instead:
sudo ulimit -n 2000
then type:
/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/MacOS/Pd-extended
Or Google around for a way to increase your ulimit amount for all applications. Keep in mind that this could allow a runaway app--such as an unstable new version of Pd for example--to really slow down or crash your whole system!
The "Pd way" would be to not use so many abstractions. Is it really that you have all these autonomous elements as subpatches or are they actually abstractions? I can't see how subpatches (sections within a single Pd file) would cause this problem with running out of file handles, but opening 300 abstractions (individual Pd files) might easily do that. Consider converting abstractions to subpatches whenever possible.
Also, do you *really* need such a testing version of Pd? Let the Pd devs crash their heads against their keyboards fixing 0.43 for a while longer before trying to get usable results out of it.
best, d.
philippe boisnard wrote:
But it seems that it's not a problem with OSX because, PD 0.39 runs with OSX, and I have no problem with this patch (I have very many subpatches, I don't knwo, perhaps more than 300, because it's a video creation with many autonomous elements, for example letters), I have re-installed 0.39. The problem is with 0.43, which doesn't accept man subpatchs in a patch. Perhaps, some one have a solution to debug this restriction ?
On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 14:08 +0200, Derek Holzer wrote:
Hi Philippe,
The problem is of course how Pd interacts with the operating system, which seems stable in 0.39 in this respect and unstable in 0.43.
you guys, please stop talking about 0.43. there is no 0.43. if you're on extended, you probably mean 0.40.3, which is the current _stable_ release. there is no reason to 'not trust' it. if there are troubles, they should be debugged and most of the times this is what happens.
the most recent you can get is 0.42 vanilla from svn.
(sorry, that i am no help for the original problem)
roman
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Hey Roman,
I was wondering where he got a hold of a 0.43 version!!!!!!
But actually, on OSX I still find 0.40 Extended to be a bit unstable, crashing for very odd reasons where 0.39 would not. So maybe Miller's is stable, but the Extended version isn't, for me at least.
best, D.
Roman Haefeli wrote:
you guys, please stop talking about 0.43. there is no 0.43. if you're on extended, you probably mean 0.40.3, which is the current _stable_ release. there is no reason to 'not trust' it. if there are troubles, they should be debugged and most of the times this is what happens.
I am using 0.40.3 Pd-extended on Ubuntu and Mac OS X for production
work these days and not having any crashes. Please post info about
crashes so that we can get them fixed!
In the AVLAB workshop, we found that the [wiimote] object caused some
very strange crashes in 0.40.3 vanilla/extended. 0.41 vanilla didn't
have the problem. That's the only crasher issue I know about.
.hc
On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:
Hey Roman,
I was wondering where he got a hold of a 0.43 version!!!!!!
But actually, on OSX I still find 0.40 Extended to be a bit unstable, crashing for very odd reasons where 0.39 would not. So maybe
Miller's is stable, but the Extended version isn't, for me at least.best, D.
Roman Haefeli wrote:
you guys, please stop talking about 0.43. there is no 0.43. if
you're on extended, you probably mean 0.40.3, which is the current _stable_ release. there is no reason to 'not trust' it. if there are troubles, they should be debugged and most of the times this is what happens.-- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/ macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 113: "Make a blank valuable by putting it in an exquisite frame"
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On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 16:52 +0200, Derek Holzer wrote:
Hey Roman,
I was wondering where he got a hold of a 0.43 version!!!!!!
But actually, on OSX I still find 0.40 Extended to be a bit unstable, crashing for very odd reasons where 0.39 would not.
this is sad to hear. however, i think it would be worth to try to reproduce the crash, so that it might help the devs to debug it. or do you mean with 'odd reasons', that it arbitrarily crashes at any possible time? this i cannot confirm with pd-extended 0.40.3 on windows and ubuntu.
roman
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