Hi Jim,
I use WinMe on a toshiba satellite 2800-400 PD runs fine except for the strange edit lock that seems to happen on windows machines.. (just close the patch and reopen it to allow editing again...) I use a midiman usb 2x2 midisport box for midi, although the timing isn't great (more windows than the usb I think) it's useable with a bit of tweaking... As for soundcards.. my advice is just to use your onboard card fo the time being cos it will pretty much gurantee compatibility with pd and wont hog any extra cpu time.. Externals.... theres the wami box, the digigram pocket and the almost mythical (here in UK anyway) hammerfall laptopcard... I've heard bad stuff about all of them so I'd suggest getting a trial run (return offer on the hardware e.t.c.) before you commit..There a new motu firewire unit thats sposed to be god,but i haven't got firewire so... anyway.. i hope this helps..I've done quite a few performances, just using the phones socket, and to be honest on an average PA in an average room you don't notice the quality level at all.
oh and as far as video cards go .. most newish laptops come with savage video cards (OK) ATI cards (OK again) or NVIDIA geforce (brilliant), they all have decent opengl drivers i think although the nvidia card is kinda geared towards T&L systems like DX..
Tom
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-----Original Message----- From: Jim Ruxton cinetron@passport.ca To: pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Date: 22 October 2001 21:23 Subject: [PD] PD on a laptop??
I'm still what you'd consider a newbie with PD but I did my first performance using PD and know I want to continue exploring it. One thing I discovered however is it is a hassle lugging around my desktop PC to run
PD.
I'm considering buying a laptop to make my life easier. I have a couple of questions around this and was wondering if anyone can help out. Right now I am running PD on Win98. Most new laptops come with Windows Millenium or Windows XP . Does anyone have experience running PD under
these
operating systems? Should I just load Linux onto the laptop with the other resident operating system and use that? Does anyone have a recommendation for a good soundcard that would connect to a laptop? I guess this would be USB. I use MIDI so the soundcard would have to have MIDI ports. I haven't yet but if I decide to output video using GEM is there a recommended laptop video card? Finally if anyone can recommend a specific model/ configuration they use I would appreciate hearing about it. The other thing I'm considering is keeping the desktop and getting a flat screen. This would help a lot although the laptop would be more convenient. Thanks for any suggestions/advice! Jim
Hi Tom, Thanks a lot. This info. is a big help. Had to lug my desktop around again today and tomorrow so getting this info. is inspiring me to go shopping. ciao, Jim
Hi Jim,
I use WinMe on a toshiba satellite 2800-400 PD runs fine except for the strange edit lock that seems to happen on windows machines.. (just close the patch and reopen it to allow editing again...) I use a midiman usb 2x2 midisport box for midi, although the timing isn't great (more windows than the usb I think) it's useable with a bit of tweaking... As for soundcards.. my advice is just to use your onboard card fo the time being cos it will pretty much gurantee compatibility with pd and wont hog any extra cpu time.. Externals.... theres the wami box, the digigram pocket and the almost mythical (here in UK anyway) hammerfall laptopcard... I've heard bad stuff about all of them so I'd suggest getting a trial run (return offer on the hardware e.t.c.) before you commit..There a new motu firewire unit thats sposed to be god,but i haven't got firewire so... anyway.. i hope this helps..I've done quite a few performances, just using the phones socket, and to be honest on an average PA in an average room
you
don't notice the quality level at all.
oh and as far as video cards go .. most newish laptops come with savage video cards (OK) ATI cards (OK again) or NVIDIA geforce (brilliant), they all have decent opengl drivers i think although the nvidia card is kinda geared towards T&L systems like DX..
Tom
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-----Original Message----- From: Jim Ruxton cinetron@passport.ca To: pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Date: 22 October 2001 21:23 Subject: [PD] PD on a laptop??
I'm still what you'd consider a newbie with PD but I did my first performance using PD and know I want to continue exploring it. One thing
I
discovered however is it is a hassle lugging around my desktop PC to run
PD.
I'm considering buying a laptop to make my life easier. I have a couple
of
questions around this and was wondering if anyone can help out. Right now I am running PD on Win98. Most new laptops come with Windows Millenium or Windows XP . Does anyone have experience running PD under
these
operating systems? Should I just load Linux onto the laptop with the
other
resident operating system and use that? Does anyone have a recommendation for a good soundcard that would connect to a laptop? I guess this would
be
USB. I use MIDI so the soundcard would have to have MIDI ports. I haven't yet but if I decide to output video using GEM is there a recommended
laptop
video card? Finally if anyone can recommend a specific model/
configuration
they use I would appreciate hearing about it. The other thing I'm considering is keeping the desktop and getting a flat screen. This would help a lot although the laptop would be more convenient. Thanks for any suggestions/advice! Jim
I'm also running PD on a laptop, but does anyone ever get any interference when the power supply is connected?
It doesn't occur if I plug straight from phones socket to an amplifier, but I've recently started using a little mixer. When I'm plugged into this, and my power supply is connected, I get pretty bad interference noise, which only stops when I unplug the power to my laptop. I've tried plugging it into different wall sockets, even on different fuses, and also making sure none of the wires cross over, but to no avail. The drawback to this is that I can only work closely on sound for as long as the battery lasts!
I have a Dell Inspiron 2500.
Also, does anyone run a duel boot Linux / Windows on a laptop for PD - I am considering it simply to have access to the different externals available (I have only very basic Linux knowledge, with a friend offering to set this up if I decide it's worth it!)
Many thanks, Elise.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ruxton" cinetron@passport.ca To: "nullpointer" nullpointer@odessadesign.co.uk; pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [PD] PD on a laptop??
Hi Tom, Thanks a lot. This info. is a big help. Had to lug my desktop around again today and tomorrow so getting this info. is inspiring me to go shopping. ciao, Jim
Hi Jim,
I use WinMe on a toshiba satellite 2800-400 PD runs fine except for the strange edit lock that seems to happen on windows machines.. (just close the patch and reopen it to allow editing again...) I use a midiman usb 2x2 midisport box for midi, although the timing
isn't
great (more windows than the usb I think) it's useable with a bit of tweaking... As for soundcards.. my advice is just to use your onboard card fo the
time
being cos it will pretty much gurantee compatibility with pd and wont
hog
any extra cpu time.. Externals.... theres the wami box, the digigram pocket and the almost mythical (here in UK anyway) hammerfall laptopcard... I've heard bad
stuff
about all of them so I'd suggest getting a trial run (return offer on
the
hardware e.t.c.) before you commit..There a new motu firewire unit thats sposed to be god,but i haven't got firewire so... anyway.. i hope this helps..I've done quite a few performances, just
using
the phones socket, and to be honest on an average PA in an average room
you
don't notice the quality level at all.
oh and as far as video cards go .. most newish laptops come with savage video cards (OK) ATI cards (OK again) or NVIDIA geforce (brilliant),
they
all have decent opengl drivers i think although the nvidia card is kinda geared towards T&L systems like DX..
Tom
http://www.nullpointer.co.uk http://www.dividebyzero.org http://www.orphanrecords.co.uk ________________________________________________________
This is an issue that has been plaguing most of the laptops on the market and comes in two flavors:
- "a ground loop" -- solution: get a hum eliminator from Radio Shack (in
the US it would be 60Hz, in Europe 50Hz), but otherwise very hard to root out 2) Too much circuitry crammed in small space = interference (esp. when your battery is being recharged by external power supply). On my Inspiron 8000, there are two solutions to this: a) Use battery-only while doing sensitive audio stuff b) Use external power WITHOUT battery
Since you have Inspiron, you can always buy an additional battery and plug it into the media bay, so that should give you 5+ hours of work which should be sufficient for just about anything :-)
Hope this helps!
Ico Bukvic, composer & audio designer http://ping.ccm.uc.edu/~ico/ ico@fuse.net ============================ "To be is to do" - Socrates "To do is to be" - Sartre "Do be do be do" - Sinatra "I am" - God
-----Original Message----- From: eliselaptop [mailto:e.chohan@uea.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:57 PM To: pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Subject: Re: [PD] PD on a laptop??
I'm also running PD on a laptop, but does anyone ever get any interference when the power supply is connected?
It doesn't occur if I plug straight from phones socket to an amplifier, but I've recently started using a little mixer. When I'm plugged into this, and my power supply is connected, I get pretty bad interference noise, which only stops when I unplug the power to my laptop. I've tried plugging it into different wall sockets, even on different fuses, and also making sure none of the wires cross over, but to no avail. The drawback to this is that I can only work closely on sound for as long as the battery lasts!
I have a Dell Inspiron 2500.
Also, does anyone run a duel boot Linux / Windows on a laptop for PD - I am considering it simply to have access to the different externals available (I have only very basic Linux knowledge, with a friend offering to set this up if I decide it's worth it!)
Many thanks, Elise.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ruxton" cinetron@passport.ca To: "nullpointer" nullpointer@odessadesign.co.uk; pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [PD] PD on a laptop??
Hi Tom, Thanks a lot. This info. is a big help. Had to lug my desktop around again today and tomorrow so getting this info. is inspiring me to go shopping. ciao, Jim
Hi Jim,
I use WinMe on a toshiba satellite 2800-400 PD runs fine except for the strange edit lock that seems to happen on windows machines.. (just close the patch and reopen it to allow editing again...) I use a midiman usb 2x2 midisport box for midi, although the timing
isn't
great (more windows than the usb I think) it's useable with a bit of tweaking... As for soundcards.. my advice is just to use your onboard card fo the
time
being cos it will pretty much gurantee compatibility with pd and wont
hog
any extra cpu time.. Externals.... theres the wami box, the digigram pocket and the almost mythical (here in UK anyway) hammerfall laptopcard... I've heard bad
stuff
about all of them so I'd suggest getting a trial run (return offer on
the
hardware e.t.c.) before you commit..There a new motu firewire unit thats sposed to be god,but i haven't got firewire so... anyway.. i hope this helps..I've done quite a few performances, just
using
the phones socket, and to be honest on an average PA in an average room
you
don't notice the quality level at all.
oh and as far as video cards go .. most newish laptops come with savage video cards (OK) ATI cards (OK again) or NVIDIA geforce (brilliant),
they
all have decent opengl drivers i think although the nvidia card is kinda geared towards T&L systems like DX..
Tom
http://www.nullpointer.co.uk http://www.dividebyzero.org http://www.orphanrecords.co.uk ________________________________________________________
hi! i recently ran into the same problem on my inspiron laptop. this is a problem all musicians with an apple power book know quite well. for me the solution was to put some tape over the groud pins of the power-plug.
btw: you can download the newest version of my externals at http://pd.klingt.org/files/ext13-0.12.tar.gz this package now contains scramble~ which is a lot of fun - especially with language-samples, and promiscous~ for people using pd as root ;)
regards d13b
This is an issue that has been plaguing most of the laptops on the market and comes in two flavors:
- "a ground loop" -- solution: get a hum eliminator from Radio Shack (in
the US it would be 60Hz, in Europe 50Hz), but otherwise very hard to root out 2) Too much circuitry crammed in small space = interference (esp. when your battery is being recharged by external power supply). On my Inspiron 8000, there are two solutions to this: a) Use battery-only while doing sensitive audio stuff b) Use external power WITHOUT battery
Since you have Inspiron, you can always buy an additional battery and plug it into the media bay, so that should give you 5+ hours of work which should be sufficient for just about anything :-)
Hope this helps!
Ico Bukvic, composer & audio designer http://ping.ccm.uc.edu/~ico/ ico@fuse.net ============================ "To be is to do" - Socrates "To do is to be" - Sartre "Do be do be do" - Sinatra "I am" - God
-----Original Message----- From: eliselaptop [mailto:e.chohan@uea.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:57 PM To: pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Subject: Re: [PD] PD on a laptop??
I'm also running PD on a laptop, but does anyone ever get any interference when the power supply is connected?
It doesn't occur if I plug straight from phones socket to an amplifier, but I've recently started using a little mixer. When I'm plugged into this, and my power supply is connected, I get pretty bad interference noise, which only stops when I unplug the power to my laptop. I've tried plugging it into different wall sockets, even on different fuses, and also making sure none of the wires cross over, but to no avail. The drawback to this is that I can only work closely on sound for as long as the battery lasts!
I have a Dell Inspiron 2500.
Also, does anyone run a duel boot Linux / Windows on a laptop for PD - I am considering it simply to have access to the different externals available (I have only very basic Linux knowledge, with a friend offering to set this up if I decide it's worth it!)
Many thanks, Elise.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ruxton" cinetron@passport.ca To: "nullpointer" nullpointer@odessadesign.co.uk; pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [PD] PD on a laptop??
Hi Tom, Thanks a lot. This info. is a big help. Had to lug my desktop around again today and tomorrow so getting this info. is inspiring me to go shopping. ciao, Jim
Hi Jim,
I use WinMe on a toshiba satellite 2800-400 PD runs fine except for the strange edit lock that seems to happen on windows machines.. (just close the patch and reopen it to allow editing again...) I use a midiman usb 2x2 midisport box for midi, although the timing
isn't
great (more windows than the usb I think) it's useable with a bit of tweaking... As for soundcards.. my advice is just to use your onboard card fo the
time
being cos it will pretty much gurantee compatibility with pd and wont
hog
any extra cpu time.. Externals.... theres the wami box, the digigram pocket and the almost mythical (here in UK anyway) hammerfall laptopcard... I've heard bad
stuff
about all of them so I'd suggest getting a trial run (return offer on
the
hardware e.t.c.) before you commit..There a new motu firewire unit thats sposed to be god,but i haven't got firewire so... anyway.. i hope this helps..I've done quite a few performances, just
using
the phones socket, and to be honest on an average PA in an average room
you
don't notice the quality level at all.
oh and as far as video cards go .. most newish laptops come with savage video cards (OK) ATI cards (OK again) or NVIDIA geforce (brilliant),
they
all have decent opengl drivers i think although the nvidia card is kinda geared towards T&L systems like DX..
Tom
http://www.nullpointer.co.uk http://www.dividebyzero.org http://www.orphanrecords.co.uk ________________________________________________________
a few other things to try:
- if you haven't already, be sure that at least your laptop, mixer, and amp
are on the same electrical circuit.
- there may be a voltage potential between either your laptop and mixer, or
the mixer and amp. this occassionally happens, especially if one or all the devices use non-grounded power cords. You can try equalizing this potential by taking a length of audio rack wire (or any wire with bare ends) and making contact with a metal part of the chassis on each of the audio devices, preferrably a fastening screw. Try it both between the laptop and mixer, then mixer and amp and see if the buzz is reduced. If it helps, it'll then just be a matter of finding a more elegant way to keep this wire in place.
-dan
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Ivica Bukvic wrote:
This is an issue that has been plaguing most of the laptops on the market and comes in two flavors:
- "a ground loop" -- solution: get a hum eliminator from Radio Shack (in
the US it would be 60Hz, in Europe 50Hz), but otherwise very hard to root out 2) Too much circuitry crammed in small space = interference (esp. when your battery is being recharged by external power supply). On my Inspiron 8000, there are two solutions to this: a) Use battery-only while doing sensitive audio stuff b) Use external power WITHOUT battery
Since you have Inspiron, you can always buy an additional battery and plug it into the media bay, so that should give you 5+ hours of work which should be sufficient for just about anything :-)
Hope this helps!
Ico Bukvic, composer & audio designer http://ping.ccm.uc.edu/~ico/ ico@fuse.net ============================ "To be is to do" - Socrates "To do is to be" - Sartre "Do be do be do" - Sinatra "I am" - God
-----Original Message----- From: eliselaptop [mailto:e.chohan@uea.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:57 PM To: pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Subject: Re: [PD] PD on a laptop??
I'm also running PD on a laptop, but does anyone ever get any interference when the power supply is connected?
It doesn't occur if I plug straight from phones socket to an amplifier, but I've recently started using a little mixer. When I'm plugged into this, and my power supply is connected, I get pretty bad interference noise, which only stops when I unplug the power to my laptop. I've tried plugging it into different wall sockets, even on different fuses, and also making sure none of the wires cross over, but to no avail. The drawback to this is that I can only work closely on sound for as long as the battery lasts!
I have a Dell Inspiron 2500.
Also, does anyone run a duel boot Linux / Windows on a laptop for PD - I am considering it simply to have access to the different externals available (I have only very basic Linux knowledge, with a friend offering to set this up if I decide it's worth it!)
Many thanks, Elise.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ruxton" cinetron@passport.ca To: "nullpointer" nullpointer@odessadesign.co.uk; pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [PD] PD on a laptop??
Hi Tom, Thanks a lot. This info. is a big help. Had to lug my desktop around again today and tomorrow so getting this info. is inspiring me to go shopping. ciao, Jim
Hi Jim,
I use WinMe on a toshiba satellite 2800-400 PD runs fine except for the strange edit lock that seems to happen on windows machines.. (just close the patch and reopen it to allow editing again...) I use a midiman usb 2x2 midisport box for midi, although the timing
isn't
great (more windows than the usb I think) it's useable with a bit of tweaking... As for soundcards.. my advice is just to use your onboard card fo the
time
being cos it will pretty much gurantee compatibility with pd and wont
hog
any extra cpu time.. Externals.... theres the wami box, the digigram pocket and the almost mythical (here in UK anyway) hammerfall laptopcard... I've heard bad
stuff
about all of them so I'd suggest getting a trial run (return offer on
the
hardware e.t.c.) before you commit..There a new motu firewire unit thats sposed to be god,but i haven't got firewire so... anyway.. i hope this helps..I've done quite a few performances, just
using
the phones socket, and to be honest on an average PA in an average room
you
don't notice the quality level at all.
oh and as far as video cards go .. most newish laptops come with savage video cards (OK) ATI cards (OK again) or NVIDIA geforce (brilliant),
they
all have decent opengl drivers i think although the nvidia card is kinda geared towards T&L systems like DX..
Tom
http://www.nullpointer.co.uk http://www.dividebyzero.org http://www.orphanrecords.co.uk ________________________________________________________
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:57:24 +0100 "eliselaptop" e.chohan@uea.ac.uk wrote:
I'm also running PD on a laptop, but does anyone ever get any
interference
when the power supply is connected?
It doesn't occur if I plug straight from phones socket to an amplifier,
but
I've recently started using a little mixer. When I'm plugged into this,
and
my power supply is connected, I get pretty bad interference noise, which only stops when I unplug the power to my laptop. I've tried plugging it into different wall sockets, even on different fuses, and also making
sure
none of the wires cross over, but to no avail. The drawback to this is
that
I can only work closely on sound for as long as the battery lasts!
i've had the same problem.. but only with a little mixer :)... first time i connected to a real PA i was deathly frightened that i might have to do the whole show on battery power but it turned out not to be the case.
i think i later concluded that it was more of a problem with the other devices i had plugged into the mixer... (a desktop pc with notorious earthing-problems)
I have a Dell Inspiron 2500.
inspiron 4000
Also, does anyone run a duel boot Linux / Windows on a laptop for PD - I
am
considering it simply to have access to the different externals
available (I
have only very basic Linux knowledge, with a friend offering to set this
up
if I decide it's worth it!)
i mono-boot linux for religious reasons ;)
i can't think of (m)any externals that are linux-only... although maybe the piperead/write externals that are necessary for mp3-streaming.
pix.
Many thanks, Elise.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ruxton" cinetron@passport.ca To: "nullpointer" nullpointer@odessadesign.co.uk;
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [PD] PD on a laptop??
Hi Tom, Thanks a lot. This info. is a big help. Had to lug my desktop around
again
today and tomorrow so getting this info. is inspiring me to go
shopping.
ciao, Jim
Hi Jim,
I use WinMe on a toshiba satellite 2800-400 PD runs fine except for the strange edit lock that seems to happen
on
windows machines.. (just close the patch and reopen it to allow editing again...) I use a midiman usb 2x2 midisport box for midi, although the timing
isn't
great (more windows than the usb I think) it's useable with a bit of tweaking... As for soundcards.. my advice is just to use your onboard card fo
the
time
being cos it will pretty much gurantee compatibility with pd and
wont
hog
any extra cpu time.. Externals.... theres the wami box, the digigram pocket and the
almost
mythical (here in UK anyway) hammerfall laptopcard... I've heard bad
stuff
about all of them so I'd suggest getting a trial run (return offer
on
the
hardware e.t.c.) before you commit..There a new motu firewire unit
thats
sposed to be god,but i haven't got firewire so... anyway.. i hope this helps..I've done quite a few performances, just
using
the phones socket, and to be honest on an average PA in an average
room
you
don't notice the quality level at all.
oh and as far as video cards go .. most newish laptops come with
savage
video cards (OK) ATI cards (OK again) or NVIDIA geforce (brilliant),
they
all have decent opengl drivers i think although the nvidia card is
kinda
geared towards T&L systems like DX..
Tom
http://www.nullpointer.co.uk http://www.dividebyzero.org http://www.orphanrecords.co.uk ________________________________________________________
On 10/24/01 6:03 AM, pix @ pix@test.at wrote:
i think i later concluded that it was more of a problem with the other devices i had plugged into the mixer... (a desktop pc with notorious earthing-problems)
I think I am an owner of such a desktop. As I'm not much of a hw guy, any ideas for correcting this ?
./MiS
On Wednesday, 24 October 2001 11:53:17 Michal Seta wrote:
On 10/24/01 6:03 AM, pix @ pix@test.at wrote:
i think i later concluded that it was more of a problem with the other devices i had plugged into the mixer... (a desktop pc with notorious earthing-problems)
I think I am an owner of such a desktop. As I'm not much of a hw guy, any ideas for correcting this ?
a stupid tip, which is actually the first thing to try in case you havent yet. Plug computer, mixer, amplifier in the same eletrcic outlet, even better get one of those extensions with six or more plugs and and place everything there (computer mixer amplifier). that should avoid some extra noise, if it is just an electrical problem.
ciao,
marco
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