Hi

On 23 Nov 2005, at 08:36, nico wrote:

the osx package is missing......

Seems to be there for me...weirdly though, none of the top menus are expanding, so preferences--> goes nowhere, and neither do the help menus.

Anyone else seeing this?

d

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It took a while to upload. Its there now.

.hc

On Nov 23, 2005, at 3:36 AM, nico wrote:

hi the osx package is missing......

Le 23 nov. 05, à 09:13, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :

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http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers-0.38.4-extendedRC4.html

bugfixes, gem manuals and examples, and more...

Now, in Windows and in Mac OS X (thought they aren't exactly synced
yet).

.hc

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Hi all,

Following Anders, I must say I am very impressed by your work Hans. Pd-extended greatly facilitates access to Pd for people attending *workshops* for example. I found myself quite worry about explaining things people don't want to hear about (the over-complicated bundle stuff on macosx or event pd command-line options, etc.). Maintaining a boosted pd on the two proprietary platforms sounded quite difficult to me, but... :-) I have the same remaks as Anders concerning the windoz version (I am no developer neither). Even if it is not that difficult to install, a *Gem.dll *would be quite welcome. Other details include :

• this strange 01-manual behaviour
• the desktop shortcut does not work (it points to pd/pd.exe instead pf

/pd/bin/pd.exe)

• in my install at least, Pd->File->Startup does not want to save

settings (when i want to remove gem2pdp for example... :-() .

I am also a bit confused with *pdp* on windoz - what can we expect honestly?

• would it be possible to compile this little piece of art on windoz

(sevy probably has no idea about that ;-) ?

• could we see pdp_rec~ on osx in the future?

Otherwise I don't know how difficult it would be to include *readanysf*~, we talked about that several months ago on this very list but it seems to me that, still, nobody can provide a decent compiled version on windoz or osx. By the way, are you planning to release any add-ons on readanysf~, August?

I also would dream to have *pyext* included de-facto - but this sounds a bit out of range on windows even if Python.dll could as well be included after all. By the way, I got several examples of disappearing pyext boxes on windoz machines (it seems that Gem and pyext don't cohabitate that well).

Anyway, thanks again Hans, for this excellent contribution! best, vincent

Anders Friberg wrote:

Hi Hans and the list. Great to see this effort to unify and simplify pd! I tried the windows version and it looks like a few libs are missing. Maybe I missed something but I don't see either gem or osc except in some help patches. I suppose they don't need to be specified in the startup list? (Sorry if the questions are simple -consider me a typical user rather than developer. I have been happy using the pd-extended37.0 for a couple of years.) I tried to load one of my applications (running in old extended) and it generated the reports listed below. Another detail is that the menu item "help/1 manual" results in no action - possibly some link pointing to the wrong place? /Anders

limit v0.1, written by Olaf Matthes olaf.matthes@gmx.de plus v0.2, written by Olaf Matthes olaf.matthes@gmx.de switch ... couldn't create [demultiplex] part of zexy-2.1 Copyright (l) IOhannes m zmölnig, 1999-2005 forum::für::umläute IEM compiled: Nov 21 2005 dumpOSC 10011 ... couldn't create OSCroute /QM_LEFT ... couldn't create OSCroute /QM_RIGHT ... couldn't create OSCroute /YPOS_LEFT ... couldn't create OSCroute /YPOS_RIGHT ... couldn't create OSCroute /QM_TOP ... couldn't create OSCroute /XPOS_TOP ... couldn't create OSCroute /QM ... couldn't create OSCroute /YPOS_ALL ... couldn't create expr, expr~, fexpr~ version 0.4 under GNU General Public License sendOSC ... couldn't create [mavg] part of zexy-2.1 Copyright (l) IOhannes m zmölnig, 1999-2005 forum::für::umläute IEM compiled: Nov 21 2005 OSCroute /angry ... couldn't create OSCroute /happy ... couldn't create OSCroute /sad ... couldn't create dumpOSC 10002 ... couldn't create grid grid1 400 -1 1 400 -1 1 0 0.005 0.005 1 1 -59 204 ... couldn't create gemmouse ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemwin ... couldn't create switch ... couldn't create switch ... couldn't create text3d K-E+ ... couldn't create text3d K+E+ ... couldn't create text3d K+E- ... couldn't create text3d K-E- ... couldn't create gemmouse ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create text3d tender ... couldn't create text3d happy ... couldn't create text3d angry ... couldn't create text3d sad ... couldn't create gemwin ... couldn't create switch ... couldn't create switch ... couldn't create gemmouse ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemwin ... couldn't create text3d strong ... couldn't create text3d gentle ... couldn't create text3d light ... couldn't create text3d expr ... couldn't create switch ... couldn't create switch ... couldn't create borax v0.1, written by Olaf Matthes olaf.matthes@gmx.de error: inlet: expected '' but got 'connect' ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. error: inlet: expected '' but got 'typetags'

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

...

http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers-0.38.4-extendedRC4.html

bugfixes, gem manuals and examples, and more...

Now, in Windows and in Mac OS X (thought they aren't exactly synced
yet).

.hc

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What i can remember is that when disabling Gem in Pd startup-preferences, pyext boxes would show up normally again. What detailed info would you like to have?

• pd version
• gem / pyext versions
• ...?

i'll have more infos on sunday, i'll try to reproduce it with care (i don't have time right now) - suddenly wondering if all this was all but a daymare, zzzzzzzzzz

As far as i can tell, this did not occur in linux or mac versions.

thanks Thomas for quick reply, best vincent

Thomas Grill wrote:

Hi Vincent,

...

By the way, I got several examples of disappearing pyext boxes on windoz machines (it seems that Gem and pyext don't cohabitate that well).

i would be very interested in more detailed info how and why GEM and pyext don't cohabitate well. Vanishing object boxes have in all cases i got to know of been caused by version mismatches of PD or flext headers and libraries and have been resolved by downloading or checking out an up-to-date flext version and recompiling flext and the objects.

best greetings, Thomas

Thomas Grill wrote:

vincent rioux schrieb:

...

What i can remember is that when disabling Gem in Pd startup-preferences, pyext boxes would show up normally again.

that would be very surprising for me....

...

What detailed info would you like to have?

• pd version
• gem / pyext versions
• ...?

flext version would be great as well, if you know it. Is pyext self-compiled or a binary from my site? it's under Windows, right?

That's correct and it is a binary from your site. In that case what about flext?

thanks, Thomas

sure i'll do that on sunday thanks for your help! v

Thomas Grill wrote:

Hi Vincent,

...

That's correct and it is a binary from your site. In that case what about flext?

could you try if the beta version from http://grrrr.org/ext/beta solves your problem?

best greetings, Thomas

Am 27.11.2005 um 19:23 schrieb vincent rioux:

By the way i am running into problems with the ._send() method of pyext. For example i would like to setup gemwin, to different configurations :

[pyx gemwin config] | [r gemwin] | [gemwin]

On windows, when i send:

._send('gemwin', 'create') i get no method for symbol

._send('gemwin', 'border', 0) i get the same message but it works on macosx...

._send('gemwin', 1) it works

sorry, i know sven already helped with that but i really get confused with this syntax and the terms symbol, list, float from Pd list, tuple, string, numbers of Python

yes, this is not too easy, but i think it will be clear once it is understood. Let's look at the _outlet method first:

1. self._outlet(outletnr,arg1,arg2,arg3,.....) will always generate a

list message [list arg1 arg2 arg3 ....( 2) self._outlet(outletnr,tag,(arg1,arg2,arg3,....) will generate a tag message [tag arg1 arg2 arg3 ....(

the variation of 2)
self._outlet(outletnr,'list',(arg1,arg2,arg3,....)) is the same as 1)

When there's only one arg, like in self._outlet(outletnr,arg), this arg will be converted to a symbol or a float message dependent on it's type E.g. self._outlet(outlet,1) will give [float 1( which is the same as just [1( while self._outlet(outletnr,'hey') will give [symbol hey( which is _not_ the same as [hey( !

some examples:

._outlet(1,1,2,3) will send a message [list 1 2 3( ._outlet(1,1) will send a message [float 1( ._outlet(1,'a','b','c') will send a message [list a b c( ._outlet(1,'a') will send a message [symbol a( ._outlet(1,'message',(1,2) ) will send a message [message 1 2(

._outlet(1,'message',1) will send a message [list message 1( ._outlet(1,'message',(1,)) will send a message [message 1(

• remember, in Python one-element tuples have to be written as

(element, )

the same applies for the _send method, except there's the receiver symbol replacing outletnr. Therefore,

._send('gemwin','create') will generate a [symbol create( message sent to [r gemwin] , which is not understood Instead you will want to use ._send('gemwin','create',()) instead which makes a [create( message

._send('gemwin','border',0) will generate [list border 0( You'd rather use ._send('gemwin','border',(0,)) The original version works on your OSX installation because you're obviously using an old pyext version there, which doesn't recognize the refined syntax

and lastly, ._send('gemwin',1) will generate [float 1( which is just ok.

Something else i am searching for is how do i exchange numarrays between pd and python.

You have two possibilites:

• via messages: if you are outputting a numarray through ._outlet or

._send the array gets converted into a list of elements

• via PD buffers: the pyext.Buffer class is a numarray that memory-maps

to a PD buffer: see buffer-*.pd examples

best greetings, Thomas

hi hans,

after installing for windows, i got this :

vst~: can't load library cyclone: can't load library Gem: can't load library

 pmpd = Physical Modeling for Pure Data
 version 0.06
 compiled Nov 21 2005
 Contact : cyrille.henry@la-kitchen.fr

OSC: can't load library zexy: can't load library

weird! i'm on xp, installed in program files/pd (default). pat

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Hi Vincent,

...

By the way, I got several examples of disappearing pyext boxes on windoz machines (it seems that Gem and pyext don't cohabitate that well).

i would be very interested in more detailed info how and why GEM and pyext don't cohabitate well. Vanishing object boxes have in all cases i got to know of been caused by version mismatches of PD or flext headers and libraries and have been resolved by downloading or checking out an up-to-date flext version and recompiling flext and the objects.

best greetings, Thomas

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Hi Hans-Christoph,

...

after installing for windows, i got this :

vst~: can't load library

I don't know this object, and there is no Makefile in CVS for it. I
can throw in a binary if someone send me one my way.

it's one of my more experimental objects, currently working for Windows only. You can find a binary on http://grrrr.org/ext/beta

best greetings, Thomas

I'm still using pyext 0.2.1pre

but I've always used it with Gem and never had a problem, on linux and OSX. Thomas knows I've had other issues though.

gem CVS, 0.38-4 and pyext 0.2.1pre seem to work together fine...

I added pyext to Hans's installer for pixelTANGO and my binary works fine in there too...

b.

Thomas Grill wrote:

Hi Vincent,

...

By the way, I got several examples of disappearing pyext boxes on windoz machines (it seems that Gem and pyext don't cohabitate that well).

i would be very interested in more detailed info how and why GEM and pyext don't cohabitate well. Vanishing object boxes have in all cases i got to know of been caused by version mismatches of PD or flext headers and libraries and have been resolved by downloading or checking out an up-to-date flext version and recompiling flext and the objects.

best greetings, Thomas

This is the first test release, so there is sure to be lots of stuff
wrong. Now I know what. :)

Gem, OSC, unauthorized, and some other stuff are not yet in there. I
haven't gotten them compiling on Windows yet. But if I don't get them
compiling, I'll include the binaries. Do you happen to know which
library [switch] is from?

The help/1.manual thing is also on the TODO list. Thanks for the bug
report.

.hc

On Nov 24, 2005, at 4:43 AM, Anders Friberg wrote:

Hi Hans and the list. Great to see this effort to unify and simplify pd! I tried the windows version and it looks like a few libs are missing.
Maybe I missed something but I don't see either gem or osc except in
some help patches. I suppose they don't need to be specified in the
startup list? (Sorry if the questions are simple -consider me a
typical user rather than developer. I have been happy using the
pd-extended37.0 for a couple of years.) I tried to load one of my applications (running in old extended) and
it generated the reports listed below. Another detail is that the menu item "help/1 manual" results in no
action - possibly some link pointing to the wrong place? /Anders

limit v0.1, written by Olaf Matthes olaf.matthes@gmx.de plus v0.2, written by Olaf Matthes olaf.matthes@gmx.de switch ... couldn't create [demultiplex] part of zexy-2.1 Copyright (l) IOhannes m zmölnig, 1999-2005 forum::für::umläute IEM compiled: Nov 21 2005 dumpOSC 10011 ... couldn't create OSCroute /QM_LEFT ... couldn't create OSCroute /QM_RIGHT ... couldn't create OSCroute /YPOS_LEFT ... couldn't create OSCroute /YPOS_RIGHT ... couldn't create OSCroute /QM_TOP ... couldn't create OSCroute /XPOS_TOP ... couldn't create OSCroute /QM ... couldn't create OSCroute /YPOS_ALL ... couldn't create expr, expr~, fexpr~ version 0.4 under GNU General Public License sendOSC ... couldn't create [mavg] part of zexy-2.1 Copyright (l) IOhannes m zmölnig, 1999-2005 forum::für::umläute IEM compiled: Nov 21 2005 OSCroute /angry ... couldn't create OSCroute /happy ... couldn't create OSCroute /sad ... couldn't create dumpOSC 10002 ... couldn't create grid grid1 400 -1 1 400 -1 1 0 0.005 0.005 1 1 -59 204 ... couldn't create gemmouse ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemwin ... couldn't create switch ... couldn't create switch ... couldn't create text3d K-E+ ... couldn't create text3d K+E+ ... couldn't create text3d K+E- ... couldn't create text3d K-E- ... couldn't create gemmouse ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create text3d tender ... couldn't create text3d happy ... couldn't create text3d angry ... couldn't create text3d sad ... couldn't create gemwin ... couldn't create switch ... couldn't create switch ... couldn't create gemmouse ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemhead ... couldn't create translateXYZ ... couldn't create gemwin ... couldn't create text3d strong ... couldn't create text3d gentle ... couldn't create text3d light ... couldn't create text3d expr ... couldn't create switch ... couldn't create switch ... couldn't create borax v0.1, written by Olaf Matthes olaf.matthes@gmx.de error: inlet: expected '' but got 'connect' ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. error: inlet: expected '' but got 'typetags'

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

...

http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers-0.38.4-extendedRC4.html

bugfixes, gem manuals and examples, and more...

Now, in Windows and in Mac OS X (thought they aren't exactly synced
yet).

.hc

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