Hello all,
Has anyone used wi-fi speakers with Pd?
More importantly - I would ideally like to send 30 independent audio channels to 30 battery-powered wi-fi speakers (in the same room)
I’ve never used any wi-fi speakers for anything at all, and I’m finding it hard to see how they are connected without some proprietary software made by the usual suspects. I’ve scoured eBay, Amazon, Curry’s without being able to answer my own questions.
And, best I can tell, the most flexible assignable speakers cost in the 100s or 1000s of USD/EUR
I’ve got a budget of a couple 100 euros at best.
Any advice or pointers are welcome.
Cheers,
Kerry
- Kerry Hagan klhagan@gmail.com [2019-02-17 12:56]:
Hello all,
Has anyone used wi-fi speakers with Pd?
More importantly - I would ideally like to send 30 independent audio channels to 30 battery-powered wi-fi speakers (in the same room)
Do you mean Wifi or Bluetooth? Could you use small FM transmitters and 30 battery powered radios, like, in the last millenium, instead?
I’ve never used any wi-fi speakers for anything at all, and I’m finding it hard to see how they are connected without some proprietary software made by the usual suspects. I’ve scoured eBay, Amazon, Curry’s without being able to answer my own questions.
Well, these pages don't give answers, they sell you things ;)
hi as far as i know, two major problems
- wireless speakers to be found for sale in the industry are based on the stereophonic paradigm, music coming out of two holes and that’s it
- wireless technology introduces some latency, which is somehow contradictory with the pd real time approach, even more since the industry runs now after the personal assistant segment, to generate more profit, and this introduces though even more latency, which is in itself not a problem if you playback dead sounds like in the last millenium.
there must be some ways to turn around these problems though, like radios indeed :), but these ways around have to be considered in balance with installing simple cables, and this even more if sound sources are not mobile in space.
i am however always curious to learn about the subject jm
Le 18 févr. 2019 à 09:19, Peter P. peterparker@fastmail.com a écrit :
- Kerry Hagan klhagan@gmail.com [2019-02-17 12:56]:
Hello all,
Has anyone used wi-fi speakers with Pd?
More importantly - I would ideally like to send 30 independent audio channels to 30 battery-powered wi-fi speakers (in the same room)
Do you mean Wifi or Bluetooth? Could you use small FM transmitters and 30 battery powered radios, like, in the last millenium, instead?
I’ve never used any wi-fi speakers for anything at all, and I’m finding it hard to see how they are connected without some proprietary software made by the usual suspects. I’ve scoured eBay, Amazon, Curry’s without being able to answer my own questions.
Well, these pages don't give answers, they sell you things ;)
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the radio idea sounds like a lot of fun.
El lun., 18 feb. 2019 a las 10:24, Jean-Marie Adrien (< jm.adrien.mnt@gmail.com>) escribió:
hi as far as i know, two major problems
- wireless speakers to be found for sale in the industry are based on the
stereophonic paradigm, music coming out of two holes and that’s it
- wireless technology introduces some latency, which is somehow
contradictory with the pd real time approach, even more since the industry runs now after the personal assistant segment, to generate more profit, and this introduces though even more latency, which is in itself not a problem if you playback dead sounds like in the last millenium.
there must be some ways to turn around these problems though, like radios indeed :), but these ways around have to be considered in balance with installing simple cables, and this even more if sound sources are not mobile in space.
i am however always curious to learn about the subject jm
Le 18 févr. 2019 à 09:19, Peter P. peterparker@fastmail.com a écrit :
- Kerry Hagan klhagan@gmail.com [2019-02-17 12:56]:
Hello all,
Has anyone used wi-fi speakers with Pd?
More importantly - I would ideally like to send 30 independent audio
channels to 30 battery-powered wi-fi speakers (in the same room)
Do you mean Wifi or Bluetooth? Could you use small FM transmitters and 30 battery powered radios, like, in the last millenium, instead?
I’ve never used any wi-fi speakers for anything at all, and I’m finding
it hard to see how they are connected without some proprietary software made by the usual suspects. I’ve scoured eBay, Amazon, Curry’s without being able to answer my own questions.
Well, these pages don't give answers, they sell you things ;)
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- Maximiliano Estudies maxiestudies@gmail.com [2019-02-18 19:31]:
the radio idea sounds like a lot of fun.
I guess Max Neuhaus has done such things.
Hello all,
It has been a few months, but the project is now underway, and I thought I might let you know what I sorted:
The project does not require high fidelity or precise panning. And it is under a limited budget (for a computer science department in a university) but much higher than I was initially anticipating.
So, I have ordered 25 Raspberry Pis with 25 pairs of RPi compatible speakers and 25 10000mA-h battery packs. Each little fella will be hidden discreetly in a dinner-table centrepiece at a big university fund-raising event.
The RPis will have slave Pd patches and sound files on them, and my laptop will be directing each Pi to play sound files/processes via pd-send and OSC in a master patch. So though I’m not technically sending audio through wireless, it will sound like the files are moving through the ballroom from dinner table to dinner table.
Initial tests are promising, but it will be a couple of weeks (university purchase ordering bureaucracy) before I get my grubby little hands on the whole 25 of them to test.
I won’t bother the list with any more updates, but if you’re curious to see how it turns out, drop me a line off-list and I’ll send a link to pictures/sounds when it all is over.
Kerry
On 18 Feb 2019, at 18:52, Peter P. peterparker@fastmail.com wrote:
- Maximiliano Estudies maxiestudies@gmail.com [2019-02-18 19:31]:
the radio idea sounds like a lot of fun.
I guess Max Neuhaus has done such things.
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Hi Kerry,
THX for the update, sounds fascinatingly awesome (or awesomely fascinating),
Would definitely be interested to hear how this pans out (ho ho), be great if you shared a link once there's some online documentation.
All the best,
Julian
On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 at 10:25, Kerry Hagan klhagan@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all,
It has been a few months, but the project is now underway, and I thought I might let you know what I sorted:
The project does not require high fidelity or precise panning. And it is under a limited budget (for a computer science department in a university) but much higher than I was initially anticipating.
So, I have ordered 25 Raspberry Pis with 25 pairs of RPi compatible speakers and 25 10000mA-h battery packs. Each little fella will be hidden discreetly in a dinner-table centrepiece at a big university fund-raising event.
The RPis will have slave Pd patches and sound files on them, and my laptop will be directing each Pi to play sound files/processes via pd-send and OSC in a master patch. So though I’m not technically sending audio through wireless, it will sound like the files are moving through the ballroom from dinner table to dinner table.
Initial tests are promising, but it will be a couple of weeks (university purchase ordering bureaucracy) before I get my grubby little hands on the whole 25 of them to test.
I won’t bother the list with any more updates, but if you’re curious to see how it turns out, drop me a line off-list and I’ll send a link to pictures/sounds when it all is over.
Kerry
On 18 Feb 2019, at 18:52, Peter P. peterparker@fastmail.com wrote:
- Maximiliano Estudies maxiestudies@gmail.com [2019-02-18 19:31]:
the radio idea sounds like a lot of fun.
I guess Max Neuhaus has done such things.
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hi,
very interesting project! your solution should definitely work! if your audio is not too time-critical also movements between speakers should be possible with a good osc-schedule. avoid osx as master for osc-sends as netsend tends to crash pd if one of the r(aspberry)pi-clients is not available. i use a similar approach to control serveral (mobile) projectors and speakers and it works. but you never know when your osc messagge really arrives especially with rpi-wlan (deactivate energy-safe-mode!). another solution could be to use the rtc which is present on some rpi audiocards to run through the schedule on the several pis.
liebe grüße marco
Am 12.04.19 um 11:15 schrieb Kerry Hagan:
Hello all,
It has been a few months, but the project is now underway, and I thought I might let you know what I sorted:
The project does not require high fidelity or precise panning. And it is under a limited budget (for a computer science department in a university) but much higher than I was initially anticipating.
So, I have ordered 25 Raspberry Pis with 25 pairs of RPi compatible speakers and 25 10000mA-h battery packs. Each little fella will be hidden discreetly in a dinner-table centrepiece at a big university fund-raising event.
The RPis will have slave Pd patches and sound files on them, and my laptop will be directing each Pi to play sound files/processes via pd-send and OSC in a master patch. So though I’m not technically sending audio through wireless, it will sound like the files are moving through the ballroom from dinner table to dinner table.
Initial tests are promising, but it will be a couple of weeks (university purchase ordering bureaucracy) before I get my grubby little hands on the whole 25 of them to test.
I won’t bother the list with any more updates, but if you’re curious to see how it turns out, drop me a line off-list and I’ll send a link to pictures/sounds when it all is over.
Kerry
On 18 Feb 2019, at 18:52, Peter P. peterparker@fastmail.com wrote:
- Maximiliano Estudies maxiestudies@gmail.com [2019-02-18 19:31]:
the radio idea sounds like a lot of fun.
I guess Max Neuhaus has done such things.
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