Howdy, perhaps you wise folks can help me think about this topic.
What are legal issues with reverse engineering proprietary software as an open source project, what are the boundaries when it is not ok anymore?
Sure I'm more interested in the case of cloning Max/MSP to Pd as in the cyclone library, but it's a generic topic anyhow that can be broadened.
But if we're to discuss this particular case, does Cycling hold the power to sue and prevent cyclone from being distributed?
It's not like their code is being used anyway, or some patented/proprietary algorithm is being "stolen". It's all about *reverse engineering* it and having same functionality as objects with the same name... and I don't think you can hold the rights to that.
Maybe if you were to clone the whole damn software exactly, and be able to save files in the max format and everything... then you'd be on to something... I think you'd cross the line with that one...
well, that's what I have for now, thanks
cheers
Dear Alexandre, it's not exactly that Cycling'74 is a dangerous, greedy company. They are all nice and forward-looking guys. If you are concerned about the issue, i would simply ask David Zicarelli. best, Thomas
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Am 20.08.2016 um 20:41 schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com:
Howdy, perhaps you wise folks can help me think about this topic.
What are legal issues with reverse engineering proprietary software as an open source project, what are the boundaries when it is not ok anymore?
Sure I'm more interested in the case of cloning Max/MSP to Pd as in the cyclone library, but it's a generic topic anyhow that can be broadened.
But if we're to discuss this particular case, does Cycling hold the power to sue and prevent cyclone from being distributed?
It's not like their code is being used anyway, or some patented/proprietary algorithm is being "stolen". It's all about reverse engineering it and having same functionality as objects with the same name... and I don't think you can hold the rights to that.
Maybe if you were to clone the whole damn software exactly, and be able to save files in the max format and everything... then you'd be on to something... I think you'd cross the line with that one...
well, that's what I have for now, thanks
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2016-08-20 16:42 GMT-03:00 Thomas Grill gr@grrrr.org:
I would simply ask David Zicarelli.
I agree with all you said and was considering doing that too, thanks for encouraging me :)
Hi Alexandre,If you're concerned about legal issues of software licensing, I'd suggest contacting one of the organizations below:Free Software FoundationSoftware Freedom ConservancyElectronic Freedom Foundation I've asked questions to the Free Software Foundation before, and they are quite friendly. They have people who know licensing law on their staff so they can help explain things, as well as suggest reliable resources for you. Best,Jonathan
On Saturday, August 20, 2016 3:54 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com> wrote:
2016-08-20 16:42 GMT-03:00 Thomas Grill gr@grrrr.org:
I would simply ask David Zicarelli.
I agree with all you said and was considering doing that too, thanks for encouraging me :) _______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
and exactly just a couple of minutes over a week I sent an email to info@cyclone: no answers :)
2016-08-20 16:52 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com:
2016-08-20 16:42 GMT-03:00 Thomas Grill gr@grrrr.org:
I would simply ask David Zicarelli.
I agree with all you said and was considering doing that too, thanks for encouraging me :)
zicarell@cycling74.com
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On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 05:49:39PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
and exactly just a couple of minutes over a week I sent an email to info@cyclone: no answers :)
2016-08-20 16:52 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com:
2016-08-20 16:42 GMT-03:00 Thomas Grill gr@grrrr.org:
I would simply ask David Zicarelli.
I agree with all you said and was considering doing that too, thanks for encouraging me :)
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