Maybe a little break from technical discussions into aesthetics and context :)
http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/comparison.jpg
From left to right:
Situationist International, "The Naked City" Expanded view of a multiple GOP patch Julie Mehretu, "Untitled"
I originally put this together as a half-joke, but I would love to hear your thoughts! Are there any articles/literature on this sort of thing? I know that there was a show recently I heard of called "Swarm" which included works from Mehretu, Matthew Ritchie, and Casey Reas. I have occasionally joked about drawing in Pd, maybe it's time to get serious. I hear people even have Lisp poetry slams these days..
Enjoy, Kevin
Damn man, that's really fricken cool! Keep it up. You said it started as a joke...isn't it amazing how inspiring the sense of humor can be? Especially when it comes at the expense of yourself....fantastic!
-----Original Message----- From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of Kevin McCoy Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:04 AM To: PD-list@iem.at Subject: [PD] [not really OT] a contemporary sensibility?
Maybe a little break from technical discussions into aesthetics and context :)
http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/comparison.jpg
From left to right:
Situationist International, "The Naked City" Expanded view of a multiple GOP patch Julie Mehretu, "Untitled"
I originally put this together as a half-joke, but I would love to hear your thoughts! Are there any articles/literature on this sort of thing? I know that there was a show recently I heard of called "Swarm" which included works from Mehretu, Matthew Ritchie, and Casey Reas. I have occasionally joked about drawing in Pd, maybe it's time to get serious. I hear people even have Lisp poetry slams these days..
Enjoy, Kevin
On 06/04/2007, at 9.04, Kevin McCoy wrote:
http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/comparison.jpg
From left to right: Situationist International, "The Naked City" Expanded view of a multiple GOP patch Julie Mehretu, "Untitled"
Very nice! I dig it.
Are there any articles/literature on this sort of thing? [...] I
have occasionally joked about drawing in Pd, maybe it's time to get
serious.
Not to put you down or anything. But I don't think it is a new thing
to make graphical art in Pd using the bare PD code as the graphics.
I find a lot of complex "messy" patches tremendously beautiful.
On example which actually is kind of using the grafical
representation to underline what's going on in the code, but none the
less hard to read as code is many of the example patches from PMPD,
or actually a subpatch in them for example structure in 08_ball2D.pd
and array in 45_newWave.pd [1]. It's much like concrete poetry too
[4]. (Now i can't find my favorite spherical one.)
Another example is a ever going generative pice that explores
randomness to produce "binary" sounds like when you play C64 tapes in
your tape player or cat your (linux) kernel to /dev/dsp named
Tabfight [2] by Steven Pickles aka Pix. The Pd code is a total mess,
which i think is on purpose to underline the kind of (very listen-
able addictive) noisy sounds that it in-fact generates.
A third is a pice by Jack Stockholm aka Oddible called if.pd [3]. It
doesn't actually make any sounds. It is accompanied by this text:
"For some reason I couldn't break free of my old flow control habits
and created a Frankensteinish IF function."
It indeed is very Frankenstein like as it is a complete mess. is does
some control flow things, but also just don't work, and you can
interact with by hitting some messages boxes round and about and
observe meaningless outcome. I fund it interesting especially while
having Frankenstein in my mind.
About writings. I recall a (or two) phrase from one of Millers
articles about Pd where is states an aim in the design of the
interaction with Pd - ie. the interface - to make it as natural and
cultural (especially wrt. musical cultures and traditions)
independent, such that the paradigm used for that interaction was
natural and wouldn't suggest any particular use. Even though it is a
nobel aim it is of cause not possible since there exist both people
how find this graphical paradigm easy to digest and others that have
no way to relate it to the beats they crack. Through out the world.
I'm not saying that it only suggest one kind of musical expression
but does suggest things, here among to use the graphical interface/
paradigm to something else then music.
Another pice of writing the touches this topic is Pd & Synaesthesia,
from the proceeding from the first Pd conference or the Bang book, by
IOhanne Zmöling and James Tittle. It says for example:
"Pd is a graphical computer-music language.Small graphical elements
are combined into bigger functional units by wiring them
together.While Pd- programs (commonly referred to as “patches”) are
often used to produce sound,writing such a program actually entails
working within a graphical tool:in essence,the act ofcreating music
is an act ofcreating an image."
It also caries an example and is a fine introduction to Synaesthesia
which you might find interesting do you not already know about it (or
even if you do you may not know the examples they pull forward hence
it's also interesting in it's own right).
best, steffen
[1] <http://pure-data.cvs.sourceforge.net/pure-data/externals/pmpd/ exemples/> [2] http://pix.test.at/pd/tabfight2k-r4nd2.tar.gz [3] http://www.oddible.com/projects/pd/if.zip [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_poetry
Ps. Consider this a sketch of what will/can/could show up in
Exhibition (on http://puredata.info/exhibition/)
On 06/04/2007, at 13.13, hard off wrote:
i made a poo : )
and a tom hanks drawing.
I forgot to mention
- the graphical lingo that has emerged in the emails repesenting the
graphical elements. [obj], [msg(, [numberbox.
- the graphics that are made in Pd for example for the icon and the
bang t-shirt.
I make one every day. it is still hot. (attached) marius.
hard off wrote:
i made a poo : )
(poo attached)
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Wow, poo one-up-manship. More more!
.hc
On Apr 6, 2007, at 1:06 PM, marius schebella wrote:
I make one every day. it is still hot. (attached) marius.
hard off wrote:
i made a poo : ) (poo attached)
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Hallo, Steffen hat gesagt: // Steffen wrote:
I find a lot of complex "messy" patches tremendously beautiful.
Also watch out for Nicola Unger's "PD Bear": http://www.starwingartists.com/bearthewarlord/files/pdbear.html
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
On 06/04/2007, at 18.01, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Steffen hat gesagt: // Steffen wrote:
I find a lot of complex "messy" patches tremendously beautiful.
Also watch out for Nicola Unger's "PD Bear": http://www.starwingartists.com/bearthewarlord/files/pdbear.html
Thanks Frank!
On Apr 6, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Steffen hat gesagt: // Steffen wrote:
I find a lot of complex "messy" patches tremendously beautiful.
Also watch out for Nicola Unger's "PD Bear": http://www.starwingartists.com/bearthewarlord/files/pdbear.html
Wow, that's amazing, I dig it! That should make it to an exhibition
page. I nominate so many of your data structures patches too, Frank.
.hc
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
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If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of
exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an
idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps
it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into
the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess
himself of it. - Thomas Jefferson
I really like that Kevin. Is there any connection between the parts of the triptych other than a purely aesthetic one (which works very well imho)?
Here's a piece shown in gallery for the Edinburgh Scienece Festival last year as part of the Ensight project.
http://www.ensight.org.uk/index.php
The artwork was a print of a Pd diagram and soundtrack. The inspiration was a spiking neuron model made by another scientist. I made an orchestral arrangement scored by signals resulting from feeding back the neuron model until it became chaotic (but bounded/stable).
However, many people at the exhibition were really taken with the Pd diagram as art, and were fascinated that the diagram was a representation of the music they hear.
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 02:04:13 -0500 "Kevin McCoy" km.takewithyou@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe a little break from technical discussions into aesthetics and context :)
http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/comparison.jpg
From left to right: Situationist International, "The Naked City" Expanded view of a multiple GOP patch Julie Mehretu, "Untitled"
I originally put this together as a half-joke, but I would love to hear your thoughts! Are there any articles/literature on this sort of thing? I know that there was a show recently I heard of called "Swarm" which included works from Mehretu, Matthew Ritchie, and Casey Reas. I have occasionally joked about drawing in Pd, maybe it's time to get serious. I hear people even have Lisp poetry slams these days..
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On 07/04/2007, at 5.03, padawan12 wrote:
I really like that Kevin. Is there any connection between the parts of the triptych other than a purely aesthetic one (which works very well imho)?
I can't answer for Kevin, of cause. But since the name of the
Situationist work is "The Naked City" and that Julie Mehretu works
with maps and urban grids and that the mid Pd patch part is a
"Expanded view" i think it suggest a certain connection. (Also
reminds me of the "Open Circuit" http://osk.openkhm.de/.)
Here's a piece shown in gallery for the Edinburgh Scienece Festival
last year as part of the Ensight project.
Wicked, Andy.
A more direct link: <http://www.ensight.org.uk/2006/triptych.php? artist=farnell>. I don't have to be modest :-)
I really like that Kevin. Is there any connection between the parts of the triptych other than a purely aesthetic one (which works very well imho)?
This is what I am suspecting... I sense that there is some kind of sensibility about interconnectedness, complexity, and maybe even adaptability/openness that is somehow symptomatic of our current predicament. I have been reading Deleuze/Guattari's "A Thousand Plateaus" recently, and I am sure that many of you are familiar with the idea of the rhizome, and now with books like Hardt and Negri's "Multitude" there are further discussions on multiplicity, identity, and democracy.
I guess I am one to suspect that even aesthetics are informed by some kind of concept or at least an "impulse"... I am a fan of Mehretu's work and the SI, and I just had this sort of connection go off in my brain last night and now I want to know everyone's thoughts :) Also I think in the Processing communities there is a strong leaning toward this "complex" interconnected aesthetic as well.
What do you guys (and girls?) think it is that makes this a plausible vision of the forces at work in the world? Do you think it is a perspective informed by technology, the amount of information flow in postindustrial societies and its inherent politics? I see this get even more interesting when we think about the "glitch"... or imagine a psychogeography of a digital network... I liked that idea of listening to the linux kernel!
Thanks, Kevin
On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 12:07:15PM -0500, Kevin McCoy wrote:
even more interesting when we think about the "glitch"... or imagine a psychogeography of a digital network... I liked that idea of listening to the linux kernel!
http://peep.sourceforge.net/intro.html http://peep.sourceforge.net/docs/peep-proposal.html
Chris.
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