hi everybody, i ask myself if anyone would be so kind to show me a finished composition. after learning the tutorials and some published patches i'm kinda confused by the many possibilities pure data offers.
as in programming my way of learning is more like reading through a full and finished work instead of learning 1 tiny bit then another tiny bit.
looking at a full environment with drumstepsequencer (or such), synthie, reverb unit and stuff would really boost my learning-curve.
also i think that it would be a good idea to include such a 'main'-patch into the pd-installation so that people new to this great program are instantly ready to make music on their machine independent of midi & anything! you know, i'm sure there were many people installing pd but not eager enough to understand the whole program resulting in the deinstallation.
for many people it is too timeconsuming to get to a result where they can make music but i think pd should be for anyone also for people who came from software like reason or fruity loops.
the best opensource audio/video software should be used and be usable by EVERYBODY
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i understand your concern. however take into consideration, that pd stand not in the same line like off the shelf software like reason or fruity loops. it is developped to offer anybody the opportunity to learn how to make similar applications. it gets obvious then, that this does not work instantly. in a world of instant results and insanely quick development i feel its a joy to be confronted with something that does not reveal itself immedeatly. i suggest if you viewed like an instrument it might satisfy your strong curiosity. you dont learn an instrument in a day, but you come back to it, because you love what it does to you. however i have complete understanding for your desire to get something working in pd and some sound and stuff to play with. i can strongly recommmend derek's particlechamber. it is such a wonderful patch/instrument and it helps a great deal to get into pd.. after 6 months im still trying to understand how he did it and im nowhere near. still, i love the sound and learn how to use it and with it grows my knowledge in pd. one day i might get. i am for sure closer now then i was 6 months ago : ) you can find particlechamber here: http://www.pure-data.info/Members/derek/Particlechamber.zip/view
enjoy, best of luck
alexandre
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2006/10/17, Marten Rieger kali.84@gmx.net:
hi everybody, i ask myself if anyone would be so kind to show me a finished composition. after learning the tutorials and some published patches i'm kinda confused by the many possibilities pure data offers.
as in programming my way of learning is more like reading through a full and finished work instead of learning 1 tiny bit then another tiny bit.
looking at a full environment with drumstepsequencer (or such), synthie, reverb unit and stuff would really boost my learning-curve.
ever looked at netpd? -> netpd.org there are some finished sequencers, synths and effects in there and you can (almost) instantly start to make music on the fly. though it's interface (or the interfaces of the patches it hosts) is not always perfect and the code (often hidden deep in the patches) is rather complex and optimized for net-use, thus not instantly reusable in other patches.
furthermore, you could listen a bit to the pdradio, decide which songs you like and try to contact their authors asking for patches
also i think that it would be a good idea to include such a 'main'-patch
into the pd-installation so that people new to this great program are instantly ready to make music on their machine independent of midi & anything!
hm, i don't think so. pd is very vast and offers lots of possibilities. including a sequenced music patch into the main distribution might make new users concieve pd as an environment to create sequenced music. there are too many uses for pd that they cannot just be demonstrated by a simple "main" patch. also, if there was a pre-written demonstration patch, new users might orient their own patches too much along it, in a way this hinders creativity. the pd documentation gives you nice building blocks, so you can decide yourself what to make out of it, use them live, sequence them externally, try to think up your own way of sequencing, etc.
you know, i'm sure there were many people installing pd but not eager enough
to understand the whole program resulting in the deinstallation.
fine, this keeps the number of annoying noobs down in the pd community ;)
for many people it is too timeconsuming to get to a result where they can
make music but i think pd should be for anyone also for people who came from software like reason or fruity loops.
true indeed. i'd opt for keeping the basic pd distro as it is, but additionally having a pd-examples package compiled, containing a number of well-documented well-sorted patches (results of a possible pd-competition?) with minimum dependencies (patch dependency hell might turn newcomers off, too) showing off different uses for pd.
the best opensource audio/video software should be used and be usable by
EVERYBODY
pd *is* usable by everybody. everybody that is willing to invest time to learn it and experiment with it. having examples to learn with is good, but one has to be careful not to fall into a copy-paste style of creativity (although, in the opensource world, there is nothing wrong with that either)
charlie
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Marten Rieger wrote:
you know, i'm sure there were many people installing pd but not eager enough to understand the whole program resulting in the deinstallation.
I still don't understand the whole program. Why should I ?
for many people it is too timeconsuming to get to a result where they can make music but i think pd should be for anyone also for people who came from software like reason or fruity loops.
There are already a lot of pd patches (aka "programs written in the pd language") that implement some readymade synth. The step that most wouldn't dare to do, is the political one of asserting that one particular patch should be the first one to get tried.
the best opensource audio/video software should be used and be usable by EVERYBODY
Pd doesn't have to be usable by people who don't want to use it.
By finding what the word "EVERYBODY" should mean here, a lot of progress could be made.
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On 10/20/06, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Marten Rieger wrote:
the best opensource audio/video software should be used and be usable by EVERYBODY
Pd doesn't have to be usable by people who don't want to use it.
By finding what the word "EVERYBODY" should mean here, a lot of progress could be made.
I agree. Not everyone knows how to use a dentist's drill or an orchestral harp or a flux capacitor. And most open source software that isn't music or audio is of very little interest to me.
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