Dear Gem Lovers,
recently I moved to NDI protocol on many live graphic softwares. The question is if can someone create an NDI object for Gem to send the video out through ethernet too? No limitation of resolution, no adapters needed, just connect your ethernet cable and let it go through LAN.
What do you think? Could be useful.
Best,
Popesz
That would definitely be useful!! Workaround on OSX could allready be a syhon NDI connection (didnt test, just quick research...).
Am Mo., 12. Nov. 2018, 19:16 hat Csaba Láng langcsaba@gmail.com geschrieben:
Dear Gem Lovers,
recently I moved to NDI protocol on many live graphic softwares. The question is if can someone create an NDI object for Gem to send the video out through ethernet too? No limitation of resolution, no adapters needed, just connect your ethernet cable and let it go through LAN.
What do you think? Could be useful.
Best,
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Yes I know it, but truely GPU consumer. A direct way could be more efficient.
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 21:23, Johnny Mauser joson.android@googlemail.com wrote:
That would definitely be useful!! Workaround on OSX could allready be a syhon NDI connection (didnt test, just quick research...).
Am Mo., 12. Nov. 2018, 19:16 hat Csaba Láng langcsaba@gmail.com geschrieben:
Dear Gem Lovers,
recently I moved to NDI protocol on many live graphic softwares. The question is if can someone create an NDI object for Gem to send the video out through ethernet too? No limitation of resolution, no adapters needed, just connect your ethernet cable and let it go through LAN.
What do you think? Could be useful.
Best,
Popesz
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A lot of live video softwares also use Spout (processing, Isadora, etc.) http://spout.zeal.co/ , which looks like an NDI / syphon alternative. There is an external available on the French codelab forum, but I doesn't work for 64 bit pd for me (running with Ubuntu). A pd spout sender/receiver would actually be a godsend to me in my current work.
Le 13 nov. 2018 00:23, "Csaba Láng" langcsaba@gmail.com a écrit :
Yes I know it, but truely GPU consumer. A direct way could be more efficient.
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 21:23, Johnny Mauser joson.android@googlemail.com wrote:
That would definitely be useful!! Workaround on OSX could allready be a syhon NDI connection (didnt test, just quick research...).
Am Mo., 12. Nov. 2018, 19:16 hat Csaba Láng langcsaba@gmail.com geschrieben:
Dear Gem Lovers,
recently I moved to NDI protocol on many live graphic softwares. The question is if can someone create an NDI object for Gem to send the video out through ethernet too? No limitation of resolution, no adapters needed, just connect your ethernet cable and let it go through LAN.
What do you think? Could be useful.
Best,
Popesz
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@baptiste note that spout seems to be Windows only (the github title is even "A video frame sharing system for Microsoft Windows").
Le mar. 13 nov. 2018 à 11:12, baptiste chatel baptiste.chatel@gmail.com a écrit :
A lot of live video softwares also use Spout (processing, Isadora, etc.) http://spout.zeal.co/ , which looks like an NDI / syphon alternative. There is an external available on the French codelab forum, but I doesn't work for 64 bit pd for me (running with Ubuntu). A pd spout sender/receiver would actually be a godsend to me in my current work.
Le 13 nov. 2018 00:23, "Csaba Láng" langcsaba@gmail.com a écrit :
Yes I know it, but truely GPU consumer. A direct way could be more efficient.
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 21:23, Johnny Mauser joson.android@googlemail.com wrote:
That would definitely be useful!! Workaround on OSX could allready be a syhon NDI connection (didnt test, just quick research...).
Am Mo., 12. Nov. 2018, 19:16 hat Csaba Láng langcsaba@gmail.com geschrieben:
Dear Gem Lovers,
recently I moved to NDI protocol on many live graphic softwares. The question is if can someone create an NDI object for Gem to send the video out through ethernet too? No limitation of resolution, no adapters needed, just connect your ethernet cable and let it go through LAN.
What do you think? Could be useful.
Best,
Popesz
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But that’s the point, we do not need any spout or tcp/IP or Syphon in between. Just let the signal go directly on ndi for all systems.
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 11:48, Antoine Rousseau antoine@metalu.net wrote:
@baptiste note that spout seems to be Windows only (the github title is even "A video frame sharing system for Microsoft Windows").
Le mar. 13 nov. 2018 à 11:12, baptiste chatel baptiste.chatel@gmail.com a écrit :
A lot of live video softwares also use Spout (processing, Isadora, etc.) http://spout.zeal.co/ , which looks like an NDI / syphon alternative. There is an external available on the French codelab forum, but I doesn't work for 64 bit pd for me (running with Ubuntu). A pd spout sender/receiver would actually be a godsend to me in my current work.
Le 13 nov. 2018 00:23, "Csaba Láng" langcsaba@gmail.com a écrit :
Yes I know it, but truely GPU consumer. A direct way could be more efficient.
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 21:23, Johnny Mauser joson.android@googlemail.com wrote:
That would definitely be useful!! Workaround on OSX could allready be a syhon NDI connection (didnt test, just quick research...).
Am Mo., 12. Nov. 2018, 19:16 hat Csaba Láng langcsaba@gmail.com geschrieben:
Dear Gem Lovers,
recently I moved to NDI protocol on many live graphic softwares. The question is if can someone create an NDI object for Gem to send the video out through ethernet too? No limitation of resolution, no adapters needed, just connect your ethernet cable and let it go through LAN.
What do you think? Could be useful.
Best,
Popesz
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Spout/Syphon and NDI are not the same, the formers are meant to share GPU texture across applications (on the same computer) while the later aims at sending video frame over the network.
Concerning an external to do so, I think there should be 2 : a recordNDI plugin for sink and a videoNDI plugin for source.
I might be interested in making some externals like that.
Le mar. 13 nov. 2018 à 11:56, Csaba Láng langcsaba@gmail.com a écrit :
But that’s the point, we do not need any spout or tcp/IP or Syphon in between. Just let the signal go directly on ndi for all systems.
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 11:48, Antoine Rousseau antoine@metalu.net wrote:
@baptiste note that spout seems to be Windows only (the github title is even "A video frame sharing system for Microsoft Windows").
Le mar. 13 nov. 2018 à 11:12, baptiste chatel baptiste.chatel@gmail.com a écrit :
A lot of live video softwares also use Spout (processing, Isadora, etc.) http://spout.zeal.co/ , which looks like an NDI / syphon alternative. There is an external available on the French codelab forum, but I doesn't work for 64 bit pd for me (running with Ubuntu). A pd spout sender/receiver would actually be a godsend to me in my current work.
Le 13 nov. 2018 00:23, "Csaba Láng" langcsaba@gmail.com a écrit :
Yes I know it, but truely GPU consumer. A direct way could be more efficient.
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 21:23, Johnny Mauser < joson.android@googlemail.com> wrote:
That would definitely be useful!! Workaround on OSX could allready be a syhon NDI connection (didnt test, just quick research...).
Am Mo., 12. Nov. 2018, 19:16 hat Csaba Láng langcsaba@gmail.com geschrieben:
Dear Gem Lovers,
recently I moved to NDI protocol on many live graphic softwares. The question is if can someone create an NDI object for Gem to send the video out through ethernet too? No limitation of resolution, no adapters needed, just connect your ethernet cable and let it go through LAN.
What do you think? Could be useful.
Best,
Popesz
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Antoine, You are partly right, they just pointed out that there is a work around to achieve already the ndi outpost through Syphon to ndi on Mac or spout to ndi on windows. The aim is a native ndi output through network. But true, the server client relationships is a good idea. Best, Popesz
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 12:28, Antoine Villeret antoine.villeret@gmail.com wrote:
Spout/Syphon and NDI are not the same, the formers are meant to share GPU texture across applications (on the same computer) while the later aims at sending video frame over the network.
Concerning an external to do so, I think there should be 2 : a recordNDI plugin for sink and a videoNDI plugin for source.
I might be interested in making some externals like that.
Le mar. 13 nov. 2018 à 11:56, Csaba Láng langcsaba@gmail.com a écrit :
But that’s the point, we do not need any spout or tcp/IP or Syphon in between. Just let the signal go directly on ndi for all systems.
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 11:48, Antoine Rousseau antoine@metalu.net wrote:
@baptiste note that spout seems to be Windows only (the github title is even "A video frame sharing system for Microsoft Windows").
Le mar. 13 nov. 2018 à 11:12, baptiste chatel baptiste.chatel@gmail.com a écrit :
A lot of live video softwares also use Spout (processing, Isadora, etc.) http://spout.zeal.co/ , which looks like an NDI / syphon alternative. There is an external available on the French codelab forum, but I doesn't work for 64 bit pd for me (running with Ubuntu). A pd spout sender/receiver would actually be a godsend to me in my current work.
Le 13 nov. 2018 00:23, "Csaba Láng" langcsaba@gmail.com a écrit :
Yes I know it, but truely GPU consumer. A direct way could be more efficient.
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 21:23, Johnny Mauser < joson.android@googlemail.com> wrote:
That would definitely be useful!! Workaround on OSX could allready be a syhon NDI connection (didnt test, just quick research...).
Am Mo., 12. Nov. 2018, 19:16 hat Csaba Láng langcsaba@gmail.com geschrieben:
Dear Gem Lovers,
recently I moved to NDI protocol on many live graphic softwares. The question is if can someone create an NDI object for Gem to send the video out through ethernet too? No limitation of resolution, no adapters needed, just connect your ethernet cable and let it go through LAN.
What do you think? Could be useful.
Best,
Popesz
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Antoine : my mistake, i typed too fast. I can't run it on windows 10 64 bit, for some reason.
Le mar. 13 nov. 2018 à 11:39, Antoine Rousseau antoine@metalu.net a écrit :
@baptiste note that spout seems to be Windows only (the github title is even "A video frame sharing system for Microsoft Windows").
Le mar. 13 nov. 2018 à 11:12, baptiste chatel baptiste.chatel@gmail.com a écrit :
A lot of live video softwares also use Spout (processing, Isadora, etc.) http://spout.zeal.co/ , which looks like an NDI / syphon alternative. There is an external available on the French codelab forum, but I doesn't work for 64 bit pd for me (running with Ubuntu). A pd spout sender/receiver would actually be a godsend to me in my current work.
Le 13 nov. 2018 00:23, "Csaba Láng" langcsaba@gmail.com a écrit :
Yes I know it, but truely GPU consumer. A direct way could be more efficient.
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 21:23, Johnny Mauser joson.android@googlemail.com wrote:
That would definitely be useful!! Workaround on OSX could allready be a syhon NDI connection (didnt test, just quick research...).
Am Mo., 12. Nov. 2018, 19:16 hat Csaba Láng langcsaba@gmail.com geschrieben:
Dear Gem Lovers,
recently I moved to NDI protocol on many live graphic softwares. The question is if can someone create an NDI object for Gem to send the video out through ethernet too? No limitation of resolution, no adapters needed, just connect your ethernet cable and let it go through LAN.
What do you think? Could be useful.
Best,
Popesz
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maybe it's time to dig up the idea of a texture in/out plugin framework in Gem I would like to know Iohannes point of view on this : should we use actual framework (record and video plugin) or should we develop a new one for texture in/out which can be later extended with syphon and spout (there should be already a syphon external somewhere iirc)
Le mar. 13 nov. 2018 à 12:44, baptiste chatel baptiste.chatel@gmail.com a écrit :
Antoine : my mistake, i typed too fast. I can't run it on windows 10 64 bit, for some reason.
Le mar. 13 nov. 2018 à 11:39, Antoine Rousseau antoine@metalu.net a écrit :
@baptiste note that spout seems to be Windows only (the github title is even "A video frame sharing system for Microsoft Windows").
Le mar. 13 nov. 2018 à 11:12, baptiste chatel baptiste.chatel@gmail.com a écrit :
A lot of live video softwares also use Spout (processing, Isadora, etc.) http://spout.zeal.co/ , which looks like an NDI / syphon alternative. There is an external available on the French codelab forum, but I doesn't work for 64 bit pd for me (running with Ubuntu). A pd spout sender/receiver would actually be a godsend to me in my current work.
Le 13 nov. 2018 00:23, "Csaba Láng" langcsaba@gmail.com a écrit :
Yes I know it, but truely GPU consumer. A direct way could be more efficient.
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 21:23, Johnny Mauser < joson.android@googlemail.com> wrote:
That would definitely be useful!! Workaround on OSX could allready be a syhon NDI connection (didnt test, just quick research...).
Am Mo., 12. Nov. 2018, 19:16 hat Csaba Láng langcsaba@gmail.com geschrieben:
Dear Gem Lovers,
recently I moved to NDI protocol on many live graphic softwares. The question is if can someone create an NDI object for Gem to send the video out through ethernet too? No limitation of resolution, no adapters needed, just connect your ethernet cable and let it go through LAN.
What do you think? Could be useful.
Best,
Popesz
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On 11/13/18 6:28 PM, Antoine Villeret wrote:
maybe it's time to dig up the idea of a texture in/out plugin framework in Gem I would like to know Iohannes point of view on this : should we use actual framework (record and video plugin) or should we develop a new one for texture in/out which can be later extended with syphon and spout (there should be already a syphon external somewhere iirc)
the latter, as texture sharing is much more performant than pixel-sharing.
gfmasrd IOhannes
I'd so much love a faster/better way for video-accross-network-from-PD (from&to linux) then pdp_netsend and friends :D
Le 13/11/2018 à 18:58, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :
On 11/13/18 6:36 PM, Bastiaan van den Berg wrote:
I'd so much love a faster/better way for video-accross-network-from-PD (from&to linux) then pdp_netsend and friends :D
i've always been using v4l2loopback and gstreamer for such kind of things.
A question about this : v4l2loopback works with gstreamer 1.0 ? ++
Jack
gfmdsar IOhannes
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I just tested it on Ubuntu 18.04 and the answer is : Yes, v4l2loopback is working with Gstreamer 1.0 !
In a terminal : $ sudo modprobe v4l2loopback $ gst-launch-1.0 videotestsrc ! v4l2sink device=/dev/video0
then, in Pd with Gem, using [pix_video] do the job. Superb ! ++
Jack
Le 13/11/2018 à 19:05, Jack a écrit :
Le 13/11/2018 à 18:58, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :
On 11/13/18 6:36 PM, Bastiaan van den Berg wrote:
I'd so much love a faster/better way for video-accross-network-from-PD (from&to linux) then pdp_netsend and friends :D
i've always been using v4l2loopback and gstreamer for such kind of things.
A question about this : v4l2loopback works with gstreamer 1.0 ? ++
Jack
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but does it mean that Gstreamer will appear as NDI input in any software which works as an NDI client?
Popesz
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 6:21 PM Jack jack@rybn.org wrote:
I just tested it on Ubuntu 18.04 and the answer is : Yes, v4l2loopback is working with Gstreamer 1.0 !
In a terminal : $ sudo modprobe v4l2loopback $ gst-launch-1.0 videotestsrc ! v4l2sink device=/dev/video0
then, in Pd with Gem, using [pix_video] do the job. Superb ! ++
Jack
Le 13/11/2018 à 19:05, Jack a écrit :
Le 13/11/2018 à 18:58, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :
On 11/13/18 6:36 PM, Bastiaan van den Berg wrote:
I'd so much love a faster/better way for video-accross-network-from-PD (from&to linux) then pdp_netsend and friends :D
i've always been using v4l2loopback and gstreamer for such kind of
things.
A question about this : v4l2loopback works with gstreamer 1.0 ? ++
Jack
gfmdsar IOhannes
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On 11/22/18 2:19 PM, Csaba Láng wrote:
but does it mean that Gstreamer will appear as NDI input in any software which works as an NDI client?
i don't know of an NDI element for GStreamer (which doesn't mean that much, as i haven't followed the development here). i was merely making a general comment about how i sent video over a network
gfdsar IOhannes
I made a quick search, there is a plugin through NDI to Gstreamer, but not sure about the opposite. here is an other plugin but no description about if client or server: https://github.com/teltek/gst-plugin-ndi/releases
Anyway, I think not myself is the only one who would be pleased to have a simple NDI server object natively in PureData. There is an NDI SDK which would be easy to implement into PD, but as I am not a coder, probably better if do not express anything about the difficulty. On this forum at the and there is a post about the development made: http://gstreamer-devel.966125.n4.nabble.com/NDI-source-element-td4686302.htm...
Popesz
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 2:38 PM IOhannes m zmölnig zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:
On 11/22/18 2:19 PM, Csaba Láng wrote:
but does it mean that Gstreamer will appear as NDI input in any software which works as an NDI client?
i don't know of an NDI element for GStreamer (which doesn't mean that much, as i haven't followed the development here). i was merely making a general comment about how i sent video over a network
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Good day!
I just wanted to inform you that we have created an ndisender obiect for Gem, right now testing on Windows and Mac, soon on Linux. If ready, will send you the github link! No sound yet, but if needed we can add on request.
Best,
Popesz
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 7:07 PM Jack jack@rybn.org wrote:
Le 13/11/2018 à 18:58, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :
On 11/13/18 6:36 PM, Bastiaan van den Berg wrote:
I'd so much love a faster/better way for video-accross-network-from-PD (from&to linux) then pdp_netsend and friends :D
i've always been using v4l2loopback and gstreamer for such kind of
things.
A question about this : v4l2loopback works with gstreamer 1.0 ? ++
Jack
gfmdsar IOhannes
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On 12/21/18 3:51 PM, Csaba Láng wrote:
Good day!
I just wanted to inform you that we have created an ndisender obiect for Gem, right now testing on Windows and Mac, soon on Linux. If ready, will send you the github link! No sound yet, but if needed we can add on request.
very cool. looking forward to it.
in any case: please implement this as a "record" plugin (rather than a separate [pix_ndisend] (or whatever) object).
mfgadsr IOhannes
PS: and don't hesitate to publish the sources, even if it is not yet "ready". (chances are that it will never be ready, for some levels of readiness)
Happy Holiday!
<goog_1021337494> https://github.com/gogo2/pd-ndi
Popesz
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 5:12 PM IOhannes m zmölnig zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:
On 12/21/18 3:51 PM, Csaba Láng wrote:
Good day!
I just wanted to inform you that we have created an ndisender obiect for Gem, right now testing on Windows and Mac, soon on Linux. If ready, will send you the github link! No sound yet, but if needed we
can
add on request.
very cool. looking forward to it.
in any case: please implement this as a "record" plugin (rather than a separate [pix_ndisend] (or whatever) object).
mfgadsr IOhannes
PS: and don't hesitate to publish the sources, even if it is not yet "ready". (chances are that it will never be ready, for some levels of readiness)
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