hmmm, in fact you are completely right, I wouldn't like that someone overwrite my objects, at least without a discussion about it. I don't know how this happen in "pd-community", i'm not really a "coder", but just a "user" that have sometimes to put the fingers in the code when there is something wrong, or something not understood; pd is a door opened to the marvellous world of C and DSP.
I also wouldn't like that this door closes as the code becomes more and more cryptic, or unreadable, because of the use of too much elaborated or just undocumented code, unless someone explains it, as fully as possible.
Seriously, pd is far from being a professional tool, it's educational, always the same discussion...
Sayōnara, patko.
----- ydegoyon@gmail.com a écrit :
true, only someone wanting to take over should override some basic pd objects no?
Because some pd basic objects doesn't work very good. We often experience this.
and so what? because your objects work better?
lol, me! never... I just a complainer.
it's just not civilized to overwrite any other's object in my
opinion
then you'll understand what is social engineering and respecting people in a community right?
ciao, sevy
to me, the pd commuity has become as a rat race since 3 years at least, when it was said it could replace MAX, but for 'free' not freedom of thought note...
well exactly and become a competitive professional tool, it's just loosing all the spirit of open source here...
ciao, sevy
i frankly bever understood these names clashing conflicts, leading us to weird situations, when you don't even know what you're reallly using and who to complain to...
wouldn't speaking before wouldn't be a better solution?
well ... sevy
patko wrote:
hmmm, in fact you are completely right, I wouldn't like that someone overwrite my objects, at least without a discussion about it. I don't know how this happen in "pd-community", i'm not really a "coder", but just a "user" that have sometimes to put the fingers in the code when there is something wrong, or something not understood; pd is a door opened to the marvellous world of C and DSP.
I also wouldn't like that this door closes as the code becomes more and more cryptic, or unreadable, because of the use of too much elaborated or just undocumented code, unless someone explains it, as fully as possible.
Seriously, pd is far from being a professional tool, it's educational, always the same discussion...
Sayōnara, patko.
----- ydegoyon@gmail.com a écrit :
true, only someone wanting to take over should override some basic pd objects no?
Because some pd basic objects doesn't work very good. We often experience this.
and so what? because your objects work better?
lol, me! never... I just a complainer.
it's just not civilized to overwrite any other's object in my
opinion
then you'll understand what is social engineering and respecting people in a community right?
ciao, sevy
to me, the pd commuity has become as a rat race since 3 years at least, when it was said it could replace MAX, but for 'free' not freedom of thought note...
well exactly and become a competitive professional tool, it's just loosing all the spirit of open source here...
ciao, sevy
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010, patko wrote:
hmmm, in fact you are completely right, I wouldn't like that someone overwrite my objects,
Why don't you call it like it is. GridFlow overwrites a name entry in a table. no class is really overwritten and no object is either. I didn't delete anyone's code. I didn't destroy anything in SVN.
I also wouldn't like that this door closes as the code becomes more and more cryptic, or unreadable, because of the use of too much elaborated or just undocumented code, unless someone explains it, as fully as possible.
What are you trying to say, about which code, etc. ? What's « too much elaborated » ?
Seriously, pd is far from being a professional tool, it's educational, always the same discussion...
How much money do I have to make with it before it becomes a profession and a professional tool ? Do I have to wear a tie ?
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patko wrote:
hmmm, in fact you are completely right, I wouldn't like that someone overwrite my objects,
sorry if i don't like the current situation..
it's for all the hours lost in a workshop to find the right 'counter' object for example ...
it's not especially against someone, it's just to note that people don't really work together..
that's all, sevy
ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
patko wrote:
hmmm, in fact you are completely right, I wouldn't like that someone overwrite my objects,
sorry if i don't like the current situation..
it's for all the hours lost in a workshop to find the right 'counter' object for example ...
it's not especially against someone, it's just to note that people don't really work together..
that's all, sevy
btw, i will write an osc~ object which will be able to transport Open Sound Control data in audio blocks... i need it, ok?
ciao, sevy
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On 06/12/2010 04:38 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
btw, i will write an osc~ object which will be able to transport Open Sound Control data in audio blocks... i need it, ok?
actually, we have an implementation for this, though it's not called osc~.
anyhow, if you feel that's the appropriate name for it, i'd say: go aheead. publish it, commit it; nobody should be forced to use your object though. but this does not mean that you are forced to not write (or name) it.
apart from that, gf's [print] is not about controlling a printer, but about printing messages to the console. this is what Pd's [print] is about as well.
mfgasdr IOhannes
----- "IOhannes m zmölnig" zmoelnig@iem.at a écrit :
On 06/12/2010 04:38 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
btw, i will write an osc~ object which will be able to transport Open Sound Control data in audio blocks... i need it, ok?
actually, we have an implementation for this, though it's not called osc~.
Oh really! where the hell it is?
cordialmente,
patko.
People pay me to make projects, its my main profession, and I use Pd. But I guess that's not enough to make something "professional". ;)
.hc
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:47 +0200, "patko" colet.patrice@free.fr wrote:
hmmm, in fact you are completely right, I wouldn't like that someone overwrite my objects, at least without a discussion about it. I don't know how this happen in "pd-community", i'm not really a "coder", but just a "user" that have sometimes to put the fingers in the code when there is something wrong, or something not understood; pd is a door opened to the marvellous world of C and DSP.
I also wouldn't like that this door closes as the code becomes more and more cryptic, or unreadable, because of the use of too much elaborated or just undocumented code, unless someone explains it, as fully as possible.
Seriously, pd is far from being a professional tool, it's educational, always the same discussion...
Sayōnara, patko.
----- ydegoyon@gmail.com a écrit :
true, only someone wanting to take over should override some basic pd objects no?
Because some pd basic objects doesn't work very good. We often experience this.
and so what? because your objects work better?
lol, me! never... I just a complainer.
it's just not civilized to overwrite any other's object in my
opinion
then you'll understand what is social engineering and respecting people in a community right?
ciao, sevy
to me, the pd commuity has become as a rat race since 3 years at least, when it was said it could replace MAX, but for 'free' not freedom of thought note...
well exactly and become a competitive professional tool, it's just loosing all the spirit of open source here...
ciao, sevy
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I've performed and gave workshops using Pd, for which I was paid. I also
use pd to make patches to generate materials for my pieces (which, rarely,
are paid as well). Is that professional enough to join the professional
club?
Or does it turn professional only if we pay someone to design a corporate
identity, with a nice logo and a website, and a foto of the developers
wearing suits?
People pay me to make projects, its my main profession, and I use Pd. But I guess that's not enough to make something "professional". ;)
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