Dear list!
i am trying to install pd-extended 0.42.5 on ubuntu 10.04 and am a total beginner with any linux. I was so happy to manage to install ubuntu, but now the Package Installer asks for more and more dependencies. My machine is not allowed to connect to internet, and i go crazy copying all the dependencies via usb stick from this internet-pc to performance-pc! How to easy-install Pd?
I am trying linux, 'cause my patch has problems playing multible videos on windows. I use foto-jpeg decoded videos with quicktime for window, because i found that quicktime reads the framenumber correct instead of direct show. live-cam input is quite stable, but windows freezes from time to time with playback of 5 videos. I have quite a fast machine and an ssd drive which should be able to do the task i thought.
So: which video format works well with windows? how do i get pd-extended on linux working?
please exuse my confusion, too much operating system problems today; too less Pd...
joson
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Johnny Mauser joson.android@googlemail.comwrote:
Dear list!
i am trying to install pd-extended 0.42.5 on ubuntu 10.04 and am a total beginner with any linux. I was so happy to manage to install ubuntu, but now the Package Installer asks for more and more dependencies. My machine is not allowed to connect to internet, and i go crazy copying all the dependencies via usb stick from this internet-pc to performance-pc! How to easy-install Pd?
To compile Pd you need to install all the dependencies. If that's too much work without a direct internet connection -- which I can imagine -- try the precompiled binary of pd-ext for ubuntu 10.04 " http://sourceforge.net/projects/pure-data/files/pd-extended/0.42.5/Pd-0.42.5...". Hopefully that works.
--Funs
Hallo Funs, dear List
I do try to use the precompiled version for Ubuntu 10.04. Still it asked me for more and more dependencies.
also i have a problem to use the new GEM 93.3 in windows. I tried the installer Version, but when opening pd it says, it cannot open cause the pthreadVC.dll is missing and GEM isn't loading at all. I downloaded pthreadVC.dll and put it manually where pthreadVC2.dll is, but no success. I use windows7 64bit.
big thanks in andvance for help, and sorry for the noobiness
Jo
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Funs Seelen funsseelen@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Johnny Mauser < joson.android@googlemail.com> wrote:
Dear list!
i am trying to install pd-extended 0.42.5 on ubuntu 10.04 and am a total beginner with any linux. I was so happy to manage to install ubuntu, but now the Package Installer asks for more and more dependencies. My machine is not allowed to connect to internet, and i go crazy copying all the dependencies via usb stick from this internet-pc to performance-pc! How to easy-install Pd?
To compile Pd you need to install all the dependencies. If that's too much work without a direct internet connection -- which I can imagine -- try the precompiled binary of pd-ext for ubuntu 10.04 " http://sourceforge.net/projects/pure-data/files/pd-extended/0.42.5/Pd-0.42.5...". Hopefully that works.
--Funs
Why not plug it into the internet?
You'll need to install at least tk8.5 and tcllib (or is it tvl8.5?) Linux without internet is pretty crippled when you're trying to install software.
On 12/04/2011 01:36 AM, Johnny Mauser wrote:
Dear list!
i am trying to install pd-extended 0.42.5 on ubuntu 10.04 and am a total beginner with any linux. I was so happy to manage to install ubuntu, but now the Package Installer asks for more and more dependencies. My machine is not allowed to connect to internet, and i go crazy copying all the dependencies via usb stick from this internet-pc to performance-pc! How to easy-install Pd?
I am trying linux, 'cause my patch has problems playing multible videos on windows. I use foto-jpeg decoded videos with quicktime for window, because i found that quicktime reads the framenumber correct instead of direct show. live-cam input is quite stable, but windows freezes from time to time with playback of 5 videos. I have quite a fast machine and an ssd drive which should be able to do the task i thought.
So: which video format works well with windows? how do i get pd-extended on linux working?
please exuse my confusion, too much operating system problems today; too less Pd...
joson
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Hi
If you really can not get internet access try using pure:dyne live cd
http://puredyne.org/index.html
it has pd +extras +all dependencies all ready to go on one cd [or at least that what is is working towards]. You put the cd in your drive and just re-boot, comes with loads of other stuff too, v handy distro
Of course you need to download and then burn it to a disk it to begin with, so you may need to burrow a friend's pc & internet connection to do this
best
Ab
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Kaj Ailomaa ailo.at@gmail.com wrote:
Why not plug it into the internet?
You'll need to install at least tk8.5 and tcllib (or is it tvl8.5?) Linux without internet is pretty crippled when you're trying to install software.
On 12/04/2011 01:36 AM, Johnny Mauser wrote:
Dear list!
i am trying to install pd-extended 0.42.5 on ubuntu 10.04 and am a total beginner with any linux. I was so happy to manage to install ubuntu, but now the Package Installer asks for more and more dependencies. My machine is not allowed to connect to internet, and i go crazy copying all the dependencies via usb stick from this internet-pc to performance-pc! How to easy-install Pd?
I am trying linux, 'cause my patch has problems playing multible videos on windows. I use foto-jpeg decoded videos with quicktime for window, because i found that quicktime reads the framenumber correct instead of direct show. live-cam input is quite stable, but windows freezes from time to time with playback of 5 videos. I have quite a fast machine and an ssd drive which should be able to do the task i thought.
So: which video format works well with windows? how do i get pd-extended on linux working?
please exuse my confusion, too much operating system problems today; too less Pd...
joson
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On 04/12/11 08:36, Johnny Mauser wrote:
Dear list!
i am trying to install pd-extended 0.42.5 on ubuntu 10.04 and am a total beginner with any linux. I was so happy to manage to install ubuntu, but now the Package Installer asks for more and more dependencies. My machine is not allowed to connect to internet, and i go crazy copying all the dependencies via usb stick from this internet-pc to performance-pc! How to easy-install Pd?
you could try apt-offline or apt-zip - they help with downloading dependencies etc using another machine for the downloads.
Simon
Pd is for big boys and girls who control their own machines Or at very least can get on a sudo list
-----Original Message----- From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of Simon Wise Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 9:06 PM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] install Pd on ubuntu without internet; video-playback codec windows?
On 04/12/11 08:36, Johnny Mauser wrote:
Dear list!
i am trying to install pd-extended 0.42.5 on ubuntu 10.04 and am a total beginner with any linux. I was so happy to manage to install ubuntu, but now the Package Installer asks for more and more dependencies. My machine is not allowed to connect to internet, and i go crazy copying all the dependencies via usb stick from this internet-pc to performance-pc! How to easy-install Pd?
you could try apt-offline or apt-zip - they help with downloading dependencies etc using another machine for the downloads.
Simon
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Le 2011-12-06 à 16:45:00, Pagano, Patrick a écrit :
Pd is for big boys and girls who control their own machines Or at very least can get on a sudo list
You mean dpkg and apt-get are like that ?
Pd has no such requirement.
Well, there's still chroot, but that's too hard to use. Any other ideas for how to install a .deb in one's $HOME without needing sudo ?
Actually, that's something I wondered since 1999, but I still haven't wondered very actively about it...
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On 2011-12-06 19:08, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Well, there's still chroot, but that's too hard to use. Any other ideas for how to install a .deb in one's $HOME without needing sudo ?
$ dpkg -x pd.deb .
alternatively $ ar x pd.deb $ tar xvzf data.tar.gz
fgmasdr IOhannes
Le 2011-12-06 à 19:51:00, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :
$ dpkg -x pd.deb .
alternatively $ ar x pd.deb $ tar xvzf data.tar.gz
But dpkg -x doesn't run any scripts after unpacking, right ? At least, ar/tar does not run scripts for sure.
Does the pd package contain any setup scripts ? But more generally, many packages do, and it would be good to know how to install them. E.g. if the pd package has any dependencies that aren't installed and that root doesn't want to install... there must be at least one of them that needs to run some kind of script ?
Have you tried stuff involving --admindir and/or --root but not -x ?
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On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:29:31 -0500 (EST) Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
Le 2011-12-06 à 19:51:00, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :
$ dpkg -x pd.deb .
alternatively $ ar x pd.deb $ tar xvzf data.tar.gz
But dpkg -x doesn't run any scripts after unpacking, right ? At least, ar/tar does not run scripts for sure.
Most .deb packages require superuser permissions to install files into various places like /usr/bin, /etc or /usr/lib. Those are in the control file, use
$ dpkg -c pd.deb
to see all the places wheret content would be unpacked.
I think IOhannes refers to unpacking a Debian source package so you can do a local build (in home directory).
Source packages can be fetched using
$ apt-get source puredata
But then why not fetch the latest source from git/svn ?
Does the pd package contain any setup scripts ? But more generally, many packages do, and it would be good to know how to install them. E.g. if the pd package has any dependencies that aren't installed and that root doesn't want to install... there must be at least one of them that needs to run some kind of script ?
Have you tried stuff involving --admindir and/or --root but not -x ?
| Mathieu BOUCHARD ----- téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 ----- Montréal, QC
Le 2011-12-06 à 20:06:00, Andy Farnell a écrit :
On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:29:31 -0500 (EST) Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
I think IOhannes refers to unpacking a Debian source package so you can do a local build (in home directory).
I think *I* was asking about binary packages. Well, I only assumed we were talking about binary packages. I don't know why we would be talking about source packages at all, at this point !
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On 2011-12-06 22:53, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Le 2011-12-06 à 20:06:00, Andy Farnell a écrit :
On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:29:31 -0500 (EST) Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
I think IOhannes refers to unpacking a Debian source package so you can do a local build (in home directory).
I think *I* was asking about binary packages. Well, I only assumed we were talking about binary packages. I don't know why we would be talking about source packages at all, at this point !
i was talking about binary packages as well. maybe i missed some point though.
if you are asking how to _properly_ install a package without root priviliges, then i believe that this is impossible, given that the very nature of "properly" installing a package means writing to parts of the disk where unproviliged users are not allowed to write to. that's by design.
anyhow, in my personal experience not many packages will actually execute any scripts in the pre-/postinstall process; e.g. of the 3600 packages installed on my system, only 1800 come with a postinst script. of those, at least 900 are virtually the same and only call "ldconfig" (after installing a library).
if the package in question indeed contains a preinst/postinst script, you can extract that with $ ar x pd.deb $ tar xvzf control.tar.gz $ ls postinst
fgmasdr IOhannes
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On 2011-12-07 09:57, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
disk where unproviliged users are not allowed to write to. that's by design.
.. unprivileged ...
anyhow, in my personal experience not many packages will actually execute any scripts in the pre-/postinstall process; e.g. of the 3600 packages installed on my system, only 1800 come with a postinst script. of those, at least 900 are virtually the same and only call "ldconfig" (after installing a library).
what i mean is, that most pre-/postinstall scripts deal with either easing the upgrade of a package (e.g. configuration files need to be migrated) or making the system aware of updates within the package (e.g. tell the linker cache that new libraries are there; install system wide menu entries).
the former is no problem if you don't _upgrade_ your package. the latter could be helped by rebooting the machine.
fgmasdr IOhannes
Le 2011-12-07 à 09:57:00, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :
if you are asking how to _properly_ install a package without root priviliges, then i believe that this is impossible, given that the very nature of "properly" installing a package means writing to parts of the disk where unproviliged users are not allowed to write to. that's by design.
Then what do you think that the --root option allows to do ?
anyhow, in my personal experience not many packages will actually execute any scripts in the pre-/postinstall process; e.g. of the 3600 packages installed on my system, only 1800 come with a postinst script. of those, at least 900 are virtually the same and only call "ldconfig" (after installing a library).
The other 900 are still 25 % of them... quite significant.
| Mathieu BOUCHARD ----- téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 ----- Montréal, QC
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On 2011-12-07 16:53, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Le 2011-12-07 à 09:57:00, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :
if you are asking how to _properly_ install a package without root priviliges, then i believe that this is impossible, given that the very nature of "properly" installing a package means writing to parts of the disk where unproviliged users are not allowed to write to. that's by design.
Then what do you think that the --root option allows to do ?
for installing in chroots.
The other 900 are still 25 % of them... quite significant.
i didn't say anything about the content of the remaining 25% (mainly because i though i had better things todo than to check the postinst scripts on my system); esp. i did not want to imply that 25% of my packages have postinst scripts that do significanlty more than calling "ldconfig".
mgasdr IOhannes
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