Hello everyone, I am experiencing an issue with Pure Data (0.53-1) on macOS Ventura (13.2) running on an Apple Silicon machine. Whenever I make changes to some of the DSP settings, such as disabling and enabling it again, the application freezes and I have to force close it. This also causes my audio to crash, and I have to kill CoreAudio in order to get it back up and running.
Does anyone else experience this issue? I have tried older versions, but I am getting the same result. Is this an issue with Ventura? Can someone reproduce this?
thanks. denis. :)
I cannot reproduce it by disabling/enabling DSP on an M1 Macbook running Monterrey and Pd 0.53-1.
From: Pd-list pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at on behalf of Denis Połeć denis.polec@gmail.com Date: Monday, January 30, 2023 at 11:10 AM To: pd-list@lists.iem.at pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: [PD] DSP crashing - PD freezes. Hello everyone, I am experiencing an issue with Pure Data (0.53-1) on macOS Ventura (13.2) running on an Apple Silicon machine. Whenever I make changes to some of the DSP settings, such as disabling and enabling it again, the application freezes and I have to force close it. This also causes my audio to crash, and I have to kill CoreAudio in order to get it back up and running.
Does anyone else experience this issue? I have tried older versions, but I am getting the same result. Is this an issue with Ventura? Can someone reproduce this?
thanks. denis. :)
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This was originally reported on this list Oct 27 2022 (see this thread https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2022-10/131609.html), and I can also confirm it second-hand via someone I'm currently collaborating with. He accidentally upgraded to Ventura and since then has been unable to quit Pd using Pd menu/Quit or command-Q. It's the only reason I haven't upgraded to macOS 13!
On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 2:26 PM Phil Stone pksmusic@gmail.com wrote:
I cannot reproduce it by disabling/enabling DSP on an M1 Macbook running Monterrey and Pd 0.53-1.
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Hello everyone, I am experiencing an issue with Pure Data (0.53-1) on macOS Ventura (13.2) running on an Apple Silicon machine. Whenever I make changes to some of the DSP settings, such as disabling and enabling it again, the application freezes and I have to force close it. This also causes my audio to crash, and I have to kill CoreAudio in order to get it back up and running.
Does anyone else experience this issue? I have tried older versions, but I am getting the same result. Is this an issue with Ventura? Can someone reproduce this?
thanks. denis. :)
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I have similar issues on my Mac Mini M1 running Ventura 13.1. If I do anything to generate audio, I cannot get it to quit normally, and have to force quit. It also screws up audio playback on the machine a little bit (pausing a YouTube video stutters a few times before it ceases to play audio, for example) until I restart the computer (didn't think to try and kill the CoreAudio process).
-Theron ^
On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 12:09 PM William Brent william.brent@gmail.com wrote:
This was originally reported on this list Oct 27 2022 (see this thread https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2022-10/131609.html), and I can also confirm it second-hand via someone I'm currently collaborating with. He accidentally upgraded to Ventura and since then has been unable to quit Pd using Pd menu/Quit or command-Q. It's the only reason I haven't upgraded to macOS 13!
On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 2:26 PM Phil Stone pksmusic@gmail.com wrote:
I cannot reproduce it by disabling/enabling DSP on an M1 Macbook running Monterrey and Pd 0.53-1.
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Hello everyone, I am experiencing an issue with Pure Data (0.53-1) on macOS Ventura (13.2) running on an Apple Silicon machine. Whenever I make changes to some of the DSP settings, such as disabling and enabling it again, the application freezes and I have to force close it. This also causes my audio to crash, and I have to kill CoreAudio in order to get it back up and running.
Does anyone else experience this issue? I have tried older versions, but I am getting the same result. Is this an issue with Ventura? Can someone reproduce this?
thanks. denis. :)
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Thanks for the heads-up... Pd is carrying around a rather old version of portaudio - I'm in the middle of trying to update ot the latest stable version, will let you know when I have something you can try...
Miller
On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 01:46:22PM -0800, Theron Trowbridge wrote:
I have similar issues on my Mac Mini M1 running Ventura 13.1. If I do anything to generate audio, I cannot get it to quit normally, and have to force quit. It also screws up audio playback on the machine a little bit (pausing a YouTube video stutters a few times before it ceases to play audio, for example) until I restart the computer (didn't think to try and kill the CoreAudio process).
-Theron ^
On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 12:09 PM William Brent william.brent@gmail.com wrote:
This was originally reported on this list Oct 27 2022 (see this thread <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/20... >), and I can also confirm it second-hand via someone I'm currently collaborating with. He accidentally upgraded to Ventura and since then has been unable to quit Pd using Pd menu/Quit or command-Q. It's the only reason I haven't upgraded to macOS 13!
On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 2:26 PM Phil Stone pksmusic@gmail.com wrote:
I cannot reproduce it by disabling/enabling DSP on an M1 Macbook running Monterrey and Pd 0.53-1.
*From: *Pd-list pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at on behalf of Denis Połeć < denis.polec@gmail.com> *Date: *Monday, January 30, 2023 at 11:10 AM *To: *pd-list@lists.iem.at pd-list@lists.iem.at *Subject: *[PD] DSP crashing - PD freezes.
Hello everyone, I am experiencing an issue with Pure Data (0.53-1) on macOS Ventura (13.2) running on an Apple Silicon machine. Whenever I make changes to some of the DSP settings, such as disabling and enabling it again, the application freezes and I have to force close it. This also causes my audio to crash, and I have to kill CoreAudio in order to get it back up and running.
Does anyone else experience this issue? I have tried older versions, but I am getting the same result. Is this an issue with Ventura? Can someone reproduce this?
thanks. denis. :)
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OK (and thanks to Zmoelnig's CI machine)- here's a version of Pd with the newest stable portaudio - can someone with MacOS 13 test this and see if the problem is still there?
http://msp.ucsd.edu/tmp/pure-data_pa-v19.7.0_Darwin.zip
cheers Miller
On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 01:28:14PM -0800, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:
Thanks for the heads-up... Pd is carrying around a rather old version of portaudio - I'm in the middle of trying to update ot the latest stable version, will let you know when I have something you can try...
Miller
On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 01:46:22PM -0800, Theron Trowbridge wrote:
I have similar issues on my Mac Mini M1 running Ventura 13.1. If I do anything to generate audio, I cannot get it to quit normally, and have to force quit. It also screws up audio playback on the machine a little bit (pausing a YouTube video stutters a few times before it ceases to play audio, for example) until I restart the computer (didn't think to try and kill the CoreAudio process).
-Theron ^
On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 12:09 PM William Brent william.brent@gmail.com wrote:
This was originally reported on this list Oct 27 2022 (see this thread <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/20... >), and I can also confirm it second-hand via someone I'm currently collaborating with. He accidentally upgraded to Ventura and since then has been unable to quit Pd using Pd menu/Quit or command-Q. It's the only reason I haven't upgraded to macOS 13!
On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 2:26 PM Phil Stone pksmusic@gmail.com wrote:
I cannot reproduce it by disabling/enabling DSP on an M1 Macbook running Monterrey and Pd 0.53-1.
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Hello everyone, I am experiencing an issue with Pure Data (0.53-1) on macOS Ventura (13.2) running on an Apple Silicon machine. Whenever I make changes to some of the DSP settings, such as disabling and enabling it again, the application freezes and I have to force close it. This also causes my audio to crash, and I have to kill CoreAudio in order to get it back up and running.
Does anyone else experience this issue? I have tried older versions, but I am getting the same result. Is this an issue with Ventura? Can someone reproduce this?
thanks. denis. :)
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Mac Mini M1, Ventura 13.1
It works better in some ways - the windows close and things quit when I ask them to. I don't have to force quit, and it doesn't seem to be messing up audio on the computer.
But when I turn on the DSP the output console just spams "unknown API" over and over again, and when I go into audios settings, I don't see my usual devices. The input device list has three options: "input device #1", "input device #2" and "input device #3" and there is no pull-down menu for output device, but only says "(same as input device)..." And I can't get it to make any sound.
When I turn off DSP, it outputs "sys_close_audio: unknown API 4"
-Theron ^
On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 8:24 PM Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu wrote:
OK (and thanks to Zmoelnig's CI machine)- here's a version of Pd with the newest stable portaudio - can someone with MacOS 13 test this and see if the problem is still there?
http://msp.ucsd.edu/tmp/pure-data_pa-v19.7.0_Darwin.zip
cheers Miller
On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 01:28:14PM -0800, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:
Thanks for the heads-up... Pd is carrying around a rather old version of portaudio - I'm in the middle of trying to update ot the latest stable
version,
will let you know when I have something you can try...
Miller
On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 01:46:22PM -0800, Theron Trowbridge wrote:
I have similar issues on my Mac Mini M1 running Ventura 13.1. If I do anything to generate audio, I cannot get it to quit normally, and have
to
force quit. It also screws up audio playback on the machine a little
bit
(pausing a YouTube video stutters a few times before it ceases to play audio, for example) until I restart the computer (didn't think to try
and
kill the CoreAudio process).
-Theron ^
On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 12:09 PM William Brent <
william.brent@gmail.com>
wrote:
This was originally reported on this list Oct 27 2022 (see this
thread
<
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/20...
), and
I can also confirm it second-hand via someone I'm currently
collaborating
with. He accidentally upgraded to Ventura and since then has been
unable to
quit Pd using Pd menu/Quit or command-Q. It's the only reason I
haven't
upgraded to macOS 13!
On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 2:26 PM Phil Stone pksmusic@gmail.com
wrote:
I cannot reproduce it by disabling/enabling DSP on an M1 Macbook
running
Monterrey and Pd 0.53-1.
*From: *Pd-list pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at on behalf of Denis
Połeć <
denis.polec@gmail.com> *Date: *Monday, January 30, 2023 at 11:10 AM *To: *pd-list@lists.iem.at pd-list@lists.iem.at *Subject: *[PD] DSP crashing - PD freezes.
Hello everyone, I am experiencing an issue with Pure Data (0.53-1) on macOS Ventura (13.2) running on an Apple Silicon machine. Whenever I make changes
to some
of the DSP settings, such as disabling and enabling it again, the application freezes and I have to force close it. This also causes
my audio
to crash, and I have to kill CoreAudio in order to get it back up
and
running.
Does anyone else experience this issue? I have tried older versions, but I am getting the same result. Is
this an
issue with Ventura? Can someone reproduce this?
thanks. denis. :)
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Bizarre... looks like the compile flags went whack somehow (API 4 is portaudio, which is precisely what I updated). I'll dig around in the compiler output and see if I can psychoanalyse...
thanks Miller
On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 10:12:08PM -0800, Theron Trowbridge wrote:
Mac Mini M1, Ventura 13.1
It works better in some ways - the windows close and things quit when I ask them to. I don't have to force quit, and it doesn't seem to be messing up audio on the computer.
But when I turn on the DSP the output console just spams "unknown API" over and over again, and when I go into audios settings, I don't see my usual devices. The input device list has three options: "input device #1", "input device #2" and "input device #3" and there is no pull-down menu for output device, but only says "(same as input device)..." And I can't get it to make any sound.
When I turn off DSP, it outputs "sys_close_audio: unknown API 4"
-Theron ^
On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 8:24 PM Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu wrote:
OK (and thanks to Zmoelnig's CI machine)- here's a version of Pd with the newest stable portaudio - can someone with MacOS 13 test this and see if the problem is still there?
http://msp.ucsd.edu/tmp/pure-data_pa-v19.7.0_Darwin.zip
cheers Miller
On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 01:28:14PM -0800, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:
Thanks for the heads-up... Pd is carrying around a rather old version of portaudio - I'm in the middle of trying to update ot the latest stable
version,
will let you know when I have something you can try...
Miller
On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 01:46:22PM -0800, Theron Trowbridge wrote:
I have similar issues on my Mac Mini M1 running Ventura 13.1. If I do anything to generate audio, I cannot get it to quit normally, and have
to
force quit. It also screws up audio playback on the machine a little
bit
(pausing a YouTube video stutters a few times before it ceases to play audio, for example) until I restart the computer (didn't think to try
and
kill the CoreAudio process).
-Theron ^
On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 12:09 PM William Brent <
william.brent@gmail.com>
wrote:
This was originally reported on this list Oct 27 2022 (see this
thread
<
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/20...
), and
I can also confirm it second-hand via someone I'm currently
collaborating
with. He accidentally upgraded to Ventura and since then has been
unable to
quit Pd using Pd menu/Quit or command-Q. It's the only reason I
haven't
upgraded to macOS 13!
On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 2:26 PM Phil Stone pksmusic@gmail.com
wrote:
I cannot reproduce it by disabling/enabling DSP on an M1 Macbook
running
Monterrey and Pd 0.53-1.
*From: *Pd-list pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at on behalf of Denis
Połeć <
denis.polec@gmail.com> *Date: *Monday, January 30, 2023 at 11:10 AM *To: *pd-list@lists.iem.at pd-list@lists.iem.at *Subject: *[PD] DSP crashing - PD freezes.
Hello everyone, I am experiencing an issue with Pure Data (0.53-1) on macOS Ventura (13.2) running on an Apple Silicon machine. Whenever I make changes
to some
of the DSP settings, such as disabling and enabling it again, the application freezes and I have to force close it. This also causes
my audio
to crash, and I have to kill CoreAudio in order to get it back up
and
running.
Does anyone else experience this issue? I have tried older versions, but I am getting the same result. Is
this an
issue with Ventura? Can someone reproduce this?
thanks. denis. :)
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On Mon, 2023-01-30 at 20:03 +0100, Denis Połeć wrote:
Does anyone else experience this issue?
I have access to macOS 10.14.6 and I experience issues with CoreAudio, too (none with JACK, though).
I have tried older versions, but I am getting the same result.
Me too: 0.53-1, 0.52-2, 0.51-4, 0.50-2
Is this an issue with Ventura? Can someone reproduce this?
I'm not sure what exactly triggers it, but after touching the audio dialog, CPU usuage of pd process jumps to 100%, but aside from fan noise, Pd seems to work still normally. It takes quite long to shut down, once it is in that state. It appears the behaviour is reladed to using callbacks (checkbox in the audio dialog). When callbacks are disabled, things seem to work normally and CPU usage stays low. However, with callbacks turned on CPU usage jumps to 100% and Pd freezes after turning DSP off.
I believe I had one incidence where restarting Pd after having saved audio settings with callbacks disabled still resulted in high CPU usage. I purged the configuration files org.puredata.* in ~/Library/Preferences and saved audio settings again with callbacks disabled.
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