On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic ico@vt.edu wrote:

I am still in the process of cleaning up externals to make sure they are stable and robust enough to be included. This is a time-consuming process. Some of the work was already started by a colleague Stephen Carl but a lot more work remains. If you (or anyone else) would like to contribute to this process, we do have a google doc up that goes through each external and annotates what needs to be done (e.g. is it stable, does it have robust documentation, like the one Jonathan has been working on, is it a GUI object that needs additional changes to make it "accelerated" within pd-l2ork etc.). That said, I think iem lib should be included as far as I can tell (but may be wrong as well). extra folder does have a collection of iem* subfolders, but I am not sure which specific object is missing. If you can send me specific list of objects missing I can investigate further.

Well, not a definite list, but:

• moonlib and flatspace: are in the sources, not compiled by default, but

added to LIB_TARGETS in externals/Makefile can be compiled, installed and they do work,

• loaders(/libdir): in the sources, not compiled by default, I compiled and

installed it manually, and it works,

• miXed(/toxy): in the sources, not compiled by default, I compiled it

manually and installed it even more manually (ie make install doesn't work), and I only tested 'widget', which party works. I need it badly though, and 'widget popop', which I use, happens to work. Definitely needs some massaging to be included.

• iem*: are in the sources, seem to be not compiled by default - and this

is where I chose to write to the list so cannot yet tell about compile/install.

András

On 06/20/2013 08:43 AM, András Murányi wrote:

Hi All, Hi Ivica,

I've reinstalled my box and I'm reinstalling l2ork and I'm having a hard time getting all the externals I need in place. Is it possible that some externals are built with ./tar_em_up.sh -F but not installed with make install? I got to admit I'm a bit confused (about which ones) because I've already built and installed moonlib and miXed manually, but now that I've arrived to iem* I see the binaries are in the build folder but not in /usr/lib/pd-l2ork/extra.

I'd appreciate some guidance... Thanks!

András

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On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Ivica Ico Bukvic ico@vt.edu wrote:

On 06/20/2013 11:35 AM, András Murányi wrote:

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic ico@vt.edu wrote:

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I am still in the process of cleaning up externals to make sure they are stable and robust enough to be included. This is a time-consuming process. Some of the work was already started by a colleague Stephen Carl but a lot more work remains. If you (or anyone else) would like to contribute to this process, we do have a google doc up that goes through each external and annotates what needs to be done (e.g. is it stable, does it have robust documentation, like the one Jonathan has been working on, is it a GUI object that needs additional changes to make it "accelerated" within pd-l2ork etc.). That said, I think iem lib should be included as far as I can tell (but may be wrong as well). extra folder does have a collection of iem* subfolders, but I am not sure which specific object is missing. If you can send me specific list of objects missing I can investigate further.

Well, not a definite list, but:

• moonlib and flatspace: are in the sources, not compiled by default,

but added to LIB_TARGETS in externals/Makefile can be compiled, installed and they do work,

Those have been disabled in pd-l2ork as they have way too many problems or are redundant. Please correct me if I am missing something.

I use moonlib/mknob which is unique because you can set its characteristics, which is the way it reacts to mouse movements. The flatspace/knob object is more simplistic, but without either, there's only vslider and hslider. There's also flatspace/comport, I'm not aware if there is a better alternative.

• loaders(/libdir): in the sources, not compiled by default, I

compiled and installed it manually, and it works,

I have that one just fine.

I didn't!

• miXed(/toxy): in the sources, not compiled by default, I compiled it

manually and installed it even more manually (ie make install doesn't work), and I only tested 'widget', which party works. I need it badly though, and 'widget popop', which I use, happens to work. Definitely needs some massaging to be included.

Ditto for these just like flatspace and moonlib.

Yeah they are in a bad shape but 'miXed/toxy/widget popup' is the last fully functioning dropdown combo box I can get.

• iem*: are in the sources, seem to be not compiled by default - and

this is where I chose to write to the list so cannot yet tell about compile/install.

What about all the iem* folders inside the extra/ folder? What objects exactly are missing? I have:

iem16 iem_adaptfilt iem_ambi iem_bin_ambi iem_delay iemgui iemguts iemlib iemmatrix iem_roomsim iem_spec2 iem_tab iemxmlrpc

I don't have these.

Are you by any chance running a self-built deb? If so, have you made sure to install all the dev libs? Seems to me if you've built your own binaries that you may have not successfully built all the libs and that something has silently failed. Checking the build log may shed some light as to what is going on.

I used tar_em_up.sh -F (then untar and make install) which produced the following in /usr/local/lib/pd-l2ork (I've removed the manually built ones from the list): adaptive expr~ parazit-help.pd array2list.pd expr~.pd_linux parazit.pd arrayreset.pd expr.pd_linux patch_name-help.pd arraysize ext13 patch_name.pd_linux bassemu~ fexpr~.pd_linux pd~ boids fiddle~ pd-wavelet bonk~ pique bsaylor Gem pixeltango choice hilbert~-help.pd purepd complex-mod~-help.pd hilbert~.pd README.txt complex-mod~.pd jmmmp rev1-final.pd comport K12 rev1~-help.pd controctopus la-kitchen rev1~.pd creb rev1-stage.pd cxc list-abs rev2~-help.pd cyclone loop~ rev2~.pd disis_netreceive-help.pd lrshift~ rev3~-help.pd disis_netreceive.pd_linux Makefile.am rev3~.pd disis_netsend-help.pd makefile.subdir rradical disis_netsend.pd_linux memento rtc disis_phasor~-help.pd memento-p sfruit disis_phasor~.pd_linux sigmund~ disis_wiimote-help.pd spectdelay~-help.pd disis_wiimote.pd_linux nsend spectdelay~.pd_linux earplug~ output~-help.pd stdout ekext output~.pd timestretch

btw the original LIB_TARGETS = adaptive arraysize bassemu boids bsaylor comport creb cxc cyclone earplug ekext ext13 freeverb ggee hcs iem_ambi iem_bin_ambi iemlib iemgui iemguts iem_adaptfilt iemmatrix iemxmlrpc iem_delay iem_roomsim iem_spec2 iem_tab jasch_lib loaders-hexloader loaders-libdir mapping markex maxlib mjlib moocow motex mrpeach oscx pan pdcontainer pddp pdogg plugin pmpd sigpack smlib tof unauthorized vanilla vbap windowing zexy flext

The dev libs were installed according to the l2ork web page, and none of them were unavailable. As for the build log, is there one? Or you meant the console output?

Thanks,

András

On 06/20/2013 08:25 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:

On 06/20/2013 08:20 PM, András Murányi wrote:

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I used tar_em_up.sh -F (then untar and make install) which produced the following in /usr/local/lib/pd-l2ork (I've removed the manually built ones from the list): adaptive expr~ parazit-help.pd array2list.pd expr~.pd_linux parazit.pd arrayreset.pd expr.pd_linux patch_name-help.pd arraysize ext13 patch_name.pd_linux bassemu~ fexpr~.pd_linux pd~ boids fiddle~ pd-wavelet bonk~ pique bsaylor Gem pixeltango choice hilbert~-help.pd purepd complex-mod~-help.pd hilbert~.pd README.txt complex-mod~.pd jmmmp rev1-final.pd comport K12 rev1~-help.pd controctopus la-kitchen rev1~.pd creb rev1-stage.pd cxc list-abs rev2~-help.pd cyclone loop~ rev2~.pd disis_netreceive-help.pd lrshift~ rev3~-help.pd disis_netreceive.pd_linux Makefile.am rev3~.pd disis_netsend-help.pd makefile.subdir rradical disis_netsend.pd_linux memento rtc disis_phasor~-help.pd memento-p sfruit disis_phasor~.pd_linux sigmund~ disis_wiimote-help.pd spectdelay~-help.pd disis_wiimote.pd_linux nsend spectdelay~.pd_linux earplug~ output~-help.pd stdout ekext output~.pd timestretch

The dev libs were installed according to the l2ork web page, and none of them were unavailable. As for the build log, is there one? Or you meant the console output?

Sorry, I meant console output redirect. I haven't tried -F in a while since it is pretty much all but deprecated (particularly since now pd-l2ork only conflicts with one optional pd-extended package). Perhaps there is something in -F build format that fails when -B doesn't. It is unlikely but nonetheless possible. Can you try -B (deb)?

Also, please send me build log off-list with -F so that I can investigate further.

Thanks!

BTW, just did -F build here and it builds everything just fine. This suggests something may be off with your setup. Can you try installing whatever you've built and then trying to build from source again? If this succeeds that means that something in the build script fails to find relevant includes. Please send me your build log off-list so that I can investigate further.

HTH

For the time being build them independently by hand after installing pd-l2ork. Also, if you recommend inclusion of specific libs and/or objects, we can put it on the todo list for vetting to see if they are stable enough to be included as-is and/or purpose a set of fixes before they can be included.

Best wishes,

Ico On Jun 23, 2013 2:16 PM, "András Murányi" muranyia@gmail.com wrote:

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic ico@vt.edu wrote:

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[...] BTW, just did -F build here and it builds everything just fine. This suggests something may be off with your setup. Can you try installing whatever you've built and then trying to build from source again? If this succeeds that means that something in the build script fails to find relevant includes. Please send me your build log off-list so that I can investigate further.

So I've just made a build with ./tar_em_up.sh without touching the sources, and it built fine and produced binaries for everything including those marked in LIB_TARGETS in externals/Makefile. Everything also installed fine by "make install". In contrast, my previous attempt, where I added some elements to LIB_TARGETS manually, produced a lot less binaries. It seems that messing up with LIB_TARGETS in l2ork can have a negative impact on "innocent" libs too, at the moment. If I still have a question question after this, it's: what's the recommended way to add non-default libs to build with pd-l2ork?

Thanks,

András

Not sure. Let me investigate. On Jun 23, 2013 3:16 PM, "András Murányi" muranyia@gmail.com wrote:

On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Ivica Bukvic ico@vt.edu wrote:

...

For the time being build them independently by hand after installing pd-l2ork.

Alrite that will work. BTW, it's so easy to install a lib manually *when it's made upon the library template* and such a desperate jungle fight when not! :o)

...

Also, if you recommend inclusion of specific libs and/or objects, we can put it on the todo list for vetting to see if they are stable enough to be included as-is and/or purpose a set of fixes before they can be included.

Well, moonlib is built, and concerning miXed/toxy(/widget), I think it will have to go away because it's in a bad shape. I'll switch to tof/pmenu. So I'm a happy camper with what we have now.

Just one question: are the abstractions (/abstractions in the source tree) installed anywhere? I don't see them in the .tar.bz either.

Thanks for the guidance,

András