I am not very good at maintaining pure-data.org, and I don't think it's as useful as it might be. I would like to start a new web site with a broader focus. If someone would like, I will happily hand over the pure-data.org domain name. I think it's paid up for a few more years. Drop me an email if you are interested.
hi developers! what do you all think about trying to establish a site (if possible based on a existing one like the pd.sf.net or pd.iem.at) with more than just one person maintaining it, to make it a successful homebase for the whole pd project. i think jfm3's page was a good try but maybe just too much for one person to make it grow as it should. so: who can/want's to put some effort on that, or merge an existing pd-site with pure-data.org ?
i could try to get a webspace or dns-service on a sponsoring-base at the provider i work for.
regards d13b
jfm3 wrote:
I am not very good at maintaining pure-data.org, and I don't think it's as useful as it might be. I would like to start a new web site with a broader focus. If someone would like, I will happily hand over the pure-data.org domain name. I think it's paid up for a few more years. Drop me an email if you are interested.
i'm going to be presumptuous and speak up for my brother (hans-christoph) since he is super busy with the end of his school term right now and might not reply immediately, but i'm sure he'd be very into transfering the pure-data.sf.net site to pure-data.org since he wanted to make it a main hub for pd. if there was an open archetechture i'd be willing to help out with maintanence as well.
-josh
d wrote:
hi developers! what do you all think about trying to establish a site (if possible based on a existing one like the pd.sf.net or pd.iem.at) with more than just one person maintaining it, to make it a successful homebase for the whole pd project. i think jfm3's page was a good try but maybe just too much for one person to make it grow as it should. so: who can/want's to put some effort on that, or merge an existing pd-site with pure-data.org ?
i could try to get a webspace or dns-service on a sponsoring-base at the provider i work for.
regards d13b
jfm3 wrote:
I am not very good at maintaining pure-data.org, and I don't think it's as useful as it might be. I would like to start a new web site with a broader focus. If someone would like, I will happily hand over the pure-data.org domain name. I think it's paid up for a few more years. Drop me an email if you are interested.
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Hello,
Since we just changed our whole iem-site to CMS zope/plone (http://plone.org), we also have to migrate the pd.iem.at.
So I can offer on our sever not only enough space (gigabytes) but also a
pd/plone/zope system (eg.http://plone.org/) with personalized login (free
join), user home space and multimdia publishing system. We have the server on
the university-net in austria which is a 300~MBit connection.
The good thing plone can offer a delegation of trees inside the site (we can install a poll system ?-) . Everyone can bring up a thread-tree in his folder or gets owner rights on otherfolders. So collaboration can be handeld dynamicly and a lot of documentstypes are supported.
the bad thing ;-)) is someone has to put information in it and do a basic review on content to be published (since we dont want non-pd related stuff on it). Some adminstration task could be done by our institute admins but content beyond central pd info/services and iem-product info should be handeld by someone else.
- The have it as a central site the need is that poeple help on the content. -
also a cvs-server will be set up, since sourceforge is sometimes slow and we need to force people on our intstitute to make their development in cvs (or subversion) in future as an addition do pd.sourceforgenet
Time: start in 2 weeks -> recruting, debugging -> mid june stable.
mfg winfried ritsch
PS: The long term goal:
- We are working on a pd-plugin on important browsers (ready in autumn) and pd
as an audio- and 3D-renderer on multichannels streams based on a database over the net (see http://iaem.net/, http://iaem.net/iaem/doc/Papers/aes03.pdf ) should be established. So pd.iem.at could be driven also by pd as an audio- streaming server with access from the site.
i'm going to be presumptuous and speak up for my brother (hans-christoph) since he is super busy with the end of his school term
right now and might not reply immediately, but i'm sure he'd be very into transfering the pure-data.sf.net site to pure-data.org since he wanted to make it a main hub for pd. if there was an open archetechture
i'd be willing to help out with maintanence as well.
-josh
d wrote:
hi developers! what do you all think about trying to establish a site (if possible based on a existing one like the pd.sf.net or pd.iem.at) with more than just one person maintaining it, to make it a successful homebase
for the whole pd project. i think jfm3's page was a good try but maybe
just too much for one person to make it grow as it should. so: who can/want's to put some effort on that, or merge an existing pd-site with pure-data.org ?
i could try to get a webspace or dns-service on a sponsoring-base at
the provider i work for.
regards d13b
jfm3 wrote:
I am not very good at maintaining pure-data.org, and I don't think
it's
as useful as it might be. I would like to start a new web site with
a
broader focus. If someone would like, I will happily hand over the pure-data.org domain name. I think it's paid up for a few more
years.
Drop me an email if you are interested.
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Hallo, ritsch@iem.at hat gesagt: // ritsch@iem.at wrote:
Since we just changed our whole iem-site to CMS zope/plone (http://plone.org), we also have to migrate the pd.iem.at.
So I can offer on our sever not only enough space (gigabytes) but also a
pd/plone/zope system (eg.http://plone.org/) with personalized login (free join), user home space and multimdia publishing system. We have the server on the university-net in austria which is a 300~MBit connection.The good thing plone can offer a delegation of trees inside the site (we can install a poll system ?-) . Everyone can bring up a thread-tree in his folder or gets owner rights on otherfolders. So collaboration can be handeld dynamicly and a lot of documentstypes are supported.
This sounds like a very cool solution. I like plone. I only did a short look into it, yet, but obviously the system is up and running already - so *I* wouldn't need a deeper look. ;)
the bad thing ;-)) is someone has to put information in it and do a basic review on content to be published (since we dont want non-pd related stuff on it). Some adminstration task could be done by our institute admins but content beyond central pd info/services and iem-product info should be handeld by someone else.
- The have it as a central site the need is that poeple help on the content. -
also a cvs-server will be set up, since sourceforge is sometimes slow and we need to force people on our intstitute to make their development in cvs (or subversion) in future as an addition do pd.sourceforgenet
Time: start in 2 weeks -> recruting, debugging -> mid june stable.
As IEM already is a big Pd center, it is an interesting thought to just merge all three sites: pd.org, pd.sf.net and pd.iem into one under the monicker pd.org
I think I already love this idea.
ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
ritsch@iem.at wrote :
The good thing plone can offer a delegation of trees inside the site
Plone seems very good. And it'll get better for collaborative work with version 1.1. It's also possible to add more collaborative features with other Zope "products" like Openflow. Since Plone is so easy to install, I invite people to try it on their own computer. -- Marc
"I do not fear computers. I fear the lack of them." (Isaac Asimov)
Hello d,
Monday, May 12, 2003, 11:38:04 PM, you wrote:
d> hi developers! d> what do you all think about trying to establish a site (if possible d> based on a existing one like the pd.sf.net or pd.iem.at) with more than d> just one person maintaining it, to make it a successful homebase for the d> whole pd project. i think jfm3's page was a good try but maybe just too d> much for one person to make it grow as it should. d> so: who can/want's to put some effort on that, or merge an existing d> pd-site with pure-data.org ?
the right question would be, is such a website is really needed ? i mean actually a site like pd.iem.at (or browsing the pd.webring) already covers most of the whole pd community activities... On the other hand, some particular sections, such as the famous tutorials a lot of people here are working on, or better announcements page and "clear" links to pd-related projects, would be a nice thing to setup.
d> i could try to get a webspace or dns-service on a sponsoring-base at the d> provider i work for.
i'm not sure that a flashy ISP banner would be sexy, but that's a very personal point of view :)
best
aymeric.
the right question would be, is such a website is really needed ? i mean actually a site like pd.iem.at (or browsing the pd.webring) already covers most of the whole pd community activities...
i think there could still be more pd-related webprojects (e.g. a simple-to-use repository for patches/abstractions), but there have been legitimate discussions on the list that newbies have a hard time finding all the sites with information about pd. that's why a "central" site with a simple name might help to spread the word.
d> i could try to get a webspace or dns-service on a sponsoring-base at the d> provider i work for. i'm not sure that a flashy ISP banner would be sexy, but that's a very personal point of view :)
that's a good point, but a flashy ISP banner in the dns-zonefile would be fun ;)
regards d13b
stm_sq^n wrote :
the right question would be, is such a website is really needed ?
Each time I try to find new information about PD, I click and google the web forever. The pd webring, spider and other url lists are useful, but what's needed now is a unique collaborative portal, where all softwares, externals, documentation and tutorials would be collected, adapted, corrected, standardized, translated...
Anyway: I could figure that pd.org could be a new home for pd.sf.net, with the traditional strong user focus on the main page. I'd be willing to keep help maintain it. I also could provide customized content management code - but only using the Webware Application Server in Python, that my site runs on. I cannot (or better: don't want) write PHP :(
Since you prefer Python to PHP, take a look at the Nuxeo CPS kit for Zope, which is designed to manage collaborative portals: http://www.nuxeo.org/ http://www.cps-project.org/
I'd be willing to help.
Christian Klippel wrote:
but the management of the site has to be done by others, since i have no spare time. i just can provide the infastructure.
With the help of a collaborative portal, the others would be developpers and users. It doesn't have to be nuxeo, but it should be easy to use.
d dieb13@klingt.org wrote:
that's why a "central" site with a simple name might help to spread the word.
We could try to build a test site and tranfer pure-data.org later.
-- Marc
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones." (John Cage)
I would be keen to help - might help me spend more qulity time with PD.
I have some experience with Zope.
I too lament the need for a central 'official' site...
Cheers, Rua.
--- Marc Lavallée odradek@videotron.ca wrote: > stm_sq^n wrote :
the right question would be, is such a website is
really needed ?
Each time I try to find new information about PD, I click and google the web forever. The pd webring, spider and other url lists are useful, but what's needed now is a unique collaborative portal, where all softwares, externals, documentation and tutorials would be collected, adapted, corrected, standardized, translated...
Anyway: I could figure that pd.org could be a new
home for
pd.sf.net, with the traditional strong user focus
on the main page.
I'd be willing to keep help maintain it. I also
could provide
customized content management code - but only
using the Webware
Application Server in Python, that my site runs
on. I cannot (or
better: don't want) write PHP :(
Since you prefer Python to PHP, take a look at the Nuxeo CPS kit for Zope, which is designed to manage collaborative portals: http://www.nuxeo.org/ http://www.cps-project.org/
I'd be willing to help.
Christian Klippel wrote:
but the management of the site has to be done by
others, since
i have no spare time. i just can provide the
infastructure.
With the help of a collaborative portal, the others would be developpers and users. It doesn't have to be nuxeo, but it should be easy to use.
d dieb13@klingt.org wrote:
that's why a "central" site with a simple name
might help to spread
the word.
We could try to build a test site and tranfer pure-data.org later.
-- Marc
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Hello Marc,
Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 2:34:45 AM, you wrote:
ML> stm_sq^n wrote :
the right question would be, is such a website is really needed ?
ML> Each time I try to find new information about PD, I click and google the ML> web forever. The pd webring, spider and other url lists are useful, but ML> what's needed now is a unique collaborative portal, where all softwares, ML> externals, documentation and tutorials would be collected, adapted, ML> corrected, standardized, translated...
indeed such a portal would be helpful for anyone. but when i said if it was needed, i was trying to point the fact that the pd community is still very anarchic, looking like a sea of urls, sometimes a real maze even for advanced users to get the right info in less than 15 clicks. Now, if we want to try to build a kind of centralised portal (an effective one) this should also mean that most (all?) of the dev/active-users would have to play the game and make this portal a living place by updating their work, pieces of code and researches up to date, and i'm afraid (i would like to be wrong) that they will just keep sticking on their little "urls network" for any reasons whatever it's good or not.
Setting up a portal is not a problem, the problem is that this portal will need regular inputs to be effective and not just "NEWS_2003.05.13: today i have updated the homepage logo, hope you like it".
ML> We could try to build a test site and tranfer pure-data.org later.
sure. anyway, if you find enough fools to try to build this pd portal, you can count me in.
aymeric.
stm_sq^n wrote :
indeed such a portal would be helpful for anyone. but when i said if it was needed, i was trying to point the fact that the pd community is still very anarchic, looking like a sea of urls, sometimes a real maze even for advanced users to get the right info in less than 15 clicks.
Providing a portal to a community doesn't mean it has to stop being anarchic, on the contrary; its purpose is to organise anarchy... (I believe anarchy is the building block of all organisations) For example, developpers are using sourceforge for the specific task of managing their source code, but they can always design a funky web page. The portal would help aggregate PD resources, not prevent creativity.
Now, if we want to try to build a kind of centralised portal (an effective one) this should also mean that most (all?) of the dev/active-users would have to play the game and make this portal a living place by updating their work, pieces of code and researches up to date, and i'm afraid (i would like to be wrong) that they will just keep sticking on their little "urls network" for any reasons whatever it's good or not.
There could be "maintainers", a bit like in the Debian GNU/Linux community. One would maintain a big project like Gem while another would maintain a bunch a small externals. The maintainers would seek help for speficic problems like ports to other OS, help patches, documentation, translation, etc. We should give it a try...
-- Marc
"I'll play it first and tell you what it is later." (Miles Davis)
I agree with the basic assessment: developers will publish and share their work in whatever way strikes them as easiest at the moment. They're primarily interested in developing, after all. A common CVS tree is miracle enough!
What I thought would be useful was a portal for users of pure data. I think I was wrong, or at least, unable to power the idea as much as it needed. Not just a portal for users is needed, but a portal for users edited by someone who is a developer, who also packages pd and it's externals for different platforms (eliminating significant user hassle), and has the patience to do so in a strong long-term commitment. Thousands registered at pure-data.org. The not-a-developer user community is obviously there. But the unanswered question is, will a combination of a portal and a set of pd+externals package maintainers would successfully meet a need of those users? Probably.
So at that point, why not build a portal around one of the existing libre-audio-software-packaging projects, and perhaps a set of contemporary artistic philosophies, i.e., subjective content as well as objective content? This is what I'm hoping to build. Of course, it will take even more energy than pure-data.org did, so I'm trying to build it with a distributed editorial process. We all joust at windmills. One of mine seems to be shaped like an internet community.
I also suggest against bickering over the site engine implementation language. Just get something reasonable from the open source community, make your 20 lines of changes, and then get back to worrying about content! Those who use the site won't care about variable declaration semantics!
All my hot air aside, one of you say the word and I'll transfer the domain. The site you build is more important than the clever domain! I will keep the existing thing up for another month or so...
On Mon, 2003-05-12 at 22:07, stm_sq^n wrote:
Hello Marc,
Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 2:34:45 AM, you wrote:
ML> stm_sq^n wrote :
the right question would be, is such a website is really needed ?
ML> Each time I try to find new information about PD, I click and google the ML> web forever. The pd webring, spider and other url lists are useful, but ML> what's needed now is a unique collaborative portal, where all softwares, ML> externals, documentation and tutorials would be collected, adapted, ML> corrected, standardized, translated...
indeed such a portal would be helpful for anyone. but when i said if it was needed, i was trying to point the fact that the pd community is still very anarchic, looking like a sea of urls, sometimes a real maze even for advanced users to get the right info in less than 15 clicks. Now, if we want to try to build a kind of centralised portal (an effective one) this should also mean that most (all?) of the dev/active-users would have to play the game and make this portal a living place by updating their work, pieces of code and researches up to date, and i'm afraid (i would like to be wrong) that they will just keep sticking on their little "urls network" for any reasons whatever it's good or not.
Setting up a portal is not a problem, the problem is that this portal will need regular inputs to be effective and not just "NEWS_2003.05.13: today i have updated the homepage logo, hope you like it".
On 12 May 2003, Marc [ISO-8859-1] Lavall�e wrote:
stm_sq^n wrote :
the right question would be, is such a website is really needed ?
Each time I try to find new information about PD, I click and google the web forever. The pd webring, spider and other url lists are useful, but what's needed now is a unique collaborative portal, where all softwares, externals, documentation and tutorials would be collected, adapted, corrected, standardized, translated...
Part of this is already there, as an idea at least, its the CVS. I think it is very important that the documentation, translations, help patches etc etc go closely together with the software, otherwise it creates lots of work to keep them in sync.
If this has been achieved, a pure-data.org can concentrate on the interesting things about pd, instead of just being a place to help to navigate the jungle.
I think a collaborative pure-data.org is actually the only way to go. But before jumping into it, we are in need of some discussion. There are a lot of people out there that provide information on PD and haven't spoken up on this thread.
From my experience it is pretty hard to jump on train that you missed (especially if you have started your journey with your bicycle already)
So the first thing that has to be done is to get the opinions from the key persons, those who already did a lot of work in this direction. It is important to get all of them in.
Greetings,
Guenter
Anyway: I could figure that pd.org could be a new home for pd.sf.net, with the traditional strong user focus on the main page. I'd be willing to keep help maintain it. I also could provide customized content management code - but only using the Webware Application Server in Python, that my site runs on. I cannot (or better: don't want) write PHP :(
Since you prefer Python to PHP, take a look at the Nuxeo CPS kit for Zope, which is designed to manage collaborative portals: http://www.nuxeo.org/ http://www.cps-project.org/
I'd be willing to help.
Christian Klippel wrote:
but the management of the site has to be done by others, since i have no spare time. i just can provide the infastructure.
With the help of a collaborative portal, the others would be developpers and users. It doesn't have to be nuxeo, but it should be easy to use.
d dieb13@klingt.org wrote:
that's why a "central" site with a simple name might help to spread the word.
We could try to build a test site and tranfer pure-data.org later.
-- Marc
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones." (John Cage)
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On Tue, 13 May 2003, guenter geiger wrote:
Part of this is already there, as an idea at least, its the CVS. I think it is very important that the documentation, translations, help patches etc etc go closely together with the software, otherwise it creates lots of work to keep them in sync.
(coming in late to the thread)
I have been thinking of proposing Forrest http://xml.apache.org/forrest/index.html
for a PD documentation framework for some time. I have had some experience with it (and Cocoon, on top of which Forrest is built), and would volunteer to create/maintain it.
Any other Cocooners out there?
I can also investigate hosting options (for a Cocoon site, we'd need Tomcat or JBOSS or Jetty as servlet containers)...
From the Forrest website:
" Forrest's focus on low "startup cost" makes it ideal for rapid development of small sites, where time and budget constraints do not allow time-wasting HTML experiments. By separating content from presentation, providing content templates and pre-written skins, Forrest is unequalled at letting content producers get their message out fast. This makes Forrest great for project documentation (notably software projects), intranets and home pages."
It is XML-based, and provides huge advantages for long-term documentation and project tracking.
I am not advocating that we launch into Cocoon for the PD portal, however (though that -could- be a good idea), since I suspect that Zope-like solutions might be easier to develop maintain...
Thoughts?
D
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David Casal wrote :
I am not advocating that we launch into Cocoon for the PD portal, however (though that -could- be a good idea), since I suspect that Zope-like solutions might be easier to develop maintain...
Most Java solutions for the web are overbloated. If Forest is good for a specific task like documentation, and if it's manageable, it's worth the try, as long as it's simple enough. For the portal, I don't know if Python is simpler than PHP, but the available portal kit seems better in Python than in PHP.
-- Marc
"it is easier to introduce new complications than to resolve the old ones." (Neal Stephenson)
On Tue, 13 May 2003, Marc Lavallée wrote:
David Casal wrote :
I am not advocating that we launch into Cocoon for the PD portal, however (though that -could- be a good idea), since I suspect that Zope-like solutions might be easier to develop maintain...
Most Java solutions for the web are overbloated. If Forest is good for a specific task like documentation, and if it's manageable, it's worth the try, as long as it's simple enough. For the portal, I don't know if Python is simpler than PHP, but the available portal kit seems better in Python than in PHP.
Yes, most are. Cocoon is no different, but is the fastest and most mature of them. It is being used in severe load-balancing situations (a couple of swiss banks, vodafone, etc.). Personally, because I've seen it work like that, I believe it would do the job provided there were people willing to learn it, etc. However, a Python portal solution seems quicker, easier in the short term and more inclusive.
For documentation, however, I have yet to see anything as comprehensive as Forrest. For example, it has TODO and FAQ DTD's, and generates printable and PDF docs from simple XML, which anyone would be able to author/contribute. As simple as that.
Just my 2p. I would be willing to help with a Python portal solution (since Python is my bag and I'd like to get into its web-publishing pants), and I'll generate a PD Forrest site if consensus asks for it, provided we have somewhere to host it.
Christian...could you provide hosting for Tomcat 4.10.1 and Cocoon-based sites?
D
David Casal e: d.casal@uea.ac.uk w: ariada.uea.ac.uk/~dcasal p: (+44) 07803 173 959
Hallo, David Casal hat gesagt: // David Casal wrote:
Yes, most are. Cocoon is no different, but is the fastest and most mature of them. It is being used in severe load-balancing situations (a couple of swiss banks, vodafone, etc.). Personally, because I've seen it work like that, I believe it would do the job provided there were people willing to learn it, etc. However, a Python portal solution seems quicker, easier in the short term and more inclusive.
For documentation, however, I have yet to see anything as comprehensive as Forrest. For example, it has TODO and FAQ DTD's, and generates printable and PDF docs from simple XML, which anyone would be able to author/contribute. As simple as that.
Just my 2p. I would be willing to help with a Python portal solution (since Python is my bag and I'd like to get into its web-publishing pants)
You really should take a look into Webware then (webware.sf.net). It doesn't always have to be Zope. Webware is very lightweight compared to Zope and is written with a strong focus on doing things "the Python way" while I see Zope often doing things "the Zope way", whatever that is. Webware has a great share of Java converts on board.
But I don't want to push things for a pure-data.org 2.0 in a certain direction. I just won't be of much help with the technical side, if the future CMS is PHP, because I don't have time to learn another language (that currently is useless inside Pd).
So if enough people are found for a PHP solution, that's absoluetly fine with me. I'd probably prefer Zope but with Zope or Webware, we might run into problems finding a decent ISP.
ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
i vote for *wiki, your flavour.
< d V . o 7 G
Hallo, j.jj hat gesagt: // j.jj wrote:
i vote for *wiki, your flavour.
Yes. pd.org also needs to be the place for the wiki - whichever flavour ^_^
(I'd donate the name: "PyDiddy")
ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
Hello,
j.jj hat gesagt: // j.jj wrote:
i vote for *wiki, your flavour.
Yes. pd.org also needs to be the place for the wiki - whichever flavour ^_^
Ther are two kind of Wiki for Plone, one is CMFWiki and the other ZWiki. The first has Oject tabs and fits better to plone, the second has more features in subscribing and mail-contributions...
For decision finding: Which feature do you need:
Delegetion of subtrees with right management
subrcibing wiki pages
dealing wiki over email
What else ?
mfg winfried
[Winfried Ritsch]->[Re: [ot] website tools [was: Re: Re[2]: [PD]...
| |Hello, | |>j.jj hat gesagt: // j.jj wrote: |> |>> i vote for *wiki, your flavour. |> |>Yes. pd.org also needs to be the place for the wiki - whichever |>flavour ^_^ |> |Ther are two kind of Wiki for Plone, one is CMFWiki and the other |ZWiki. The first has Oject tabs and fits better to plone, the second |has more features in subscribing and mail-contributions... | |For decision finding: Which feature do you need: | | - Delegetion of subtrees with right management | - subrcibing wiki pages | - dealing wiki over email | - What else ?
uh, i think these two:
- subrcibing wiki pages
- dealing wiki over email
would be immediatly handy (e.g. supergranulated updates on the subprojects you want to follow).
wether sophisticated rights-management is necessary depends on the wiki either being a subsite of a greater pd site or the greater pd site itself.
_jx
-- × D U . O R g
On Tue, 13 May 2003, Frank Barknecht wrote:
You really should take a look into Webware then (webware.sf.net). It doesn't always have to be Zope. Webware is very lightweight compared to Zope and is written with a strong focus on doing things "the Python way" while I see Zope often doing things "the Zope way", whatever that is. Webware has a great share of Java converts on board.
WOw. Looks good. Seriously Pythonesque.
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David Casal e: d.casal@uea.ac.uk w: ariada.uea.ac.uk/~dcasal p: (+44) 07803 173 959
hi all,
Am Dienstag, 13. Mai 2003 18:06 schrieb David Casal:
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Christian...could you provide hosting for Tomcat 4.10.1 and Cocoon-based sites?
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uh no, sorry. at least not on the servers i have at hand.
what we have is a mysql server dedicated to mysql and dns, and a web server running apache with cgi (perl) and php 4.3 with serveral extensions like gd with ttf, pdf, ssl and so on. i can install eventually needed additional packages on the server, but i can not mess around with apache itself (we have serveral customers's sites on that server also, so ....).
if someone can put together a machine, i can place it in the server room and connect it to the net, if anything really special is needed that i can not provide and no other place with a connection can be found.
greets,
chris
yo,
On Tue, 13 May 2003, Christian Klippel wrote:
Christian...could you provide hosting for Tomcat 4.10.1 and Cocoon-based sites?
what we have is a mysql server dedicated to mysql and dns, and a web server running apache with cgi (perl) and php 4.3 with serveral extensions like gd with ttf, pdf, ssl and so on. i can install eventually needed additional packages on the server, but i can not mess around with apache itself (we have serveral customers's sites on that server also, so ....).
Ah, I understand ;-). What you'd need to install would be tomcat itself (doesn't touch apache) and cocoon 2.0 or 2.1 (again, doesn't bother apache). Only problem is, to run virtual hosts with tomcat you'd need to alter httpd.conf (which I'm sure you don't want to?)
Other than that though, cocoon sites running through tomcat only just use apache as, well, any other app would do, to serve its dynamically-generated pages...look tomcat+cocoon up, if you get some time...
if someone can put together a machine, i can place it in the server room and connect it to the net, if anything really special is needed that i can not provide and no other place with a connection can be found.
That's probably a better idea, since we have no idea how huge the traffic might get...I don't currently have spare boxes, but I'll dig around
cheers,
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David Casal e: d.casal@uea.ac.uk w: ariada.uea.ac.uk/~dcasal p: (+44) 07803 173 959
Hallo, guenter geiger hat gesagt: // guenter geiger wrote:
Part of this is already there, as an idea at least, its the CVS. I think it is very important that the documentation, translations, help patches etc etc go closely together with the software, otherwise it creates lots of work to keep them in sync.
Definitely. It is *veryvery* hard to keep track of all the releases on all the developers' websites. It is very easy to check them out of the CVS and it's not too difficult to provide packages of them. The whole Download section of pd.org should be replaced by the CVS in the end, I'd propose. (BTW.: We still state, that externals on SF need to use the GPL. I don't think this is correct, they just need an open source, maybe OSI-approved license. So maybe in the end cyclone could also go into the CVS).
ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
Frank Barknecht wrote :
(BTW.: We still state, that externals on SF need to use the GPL. I don't think this is correct, they just need an open source, maybe OSI-approved license. So maybe in the end cyclone could also go into the CVS).
See section 6 of the "SourceForge.net Terms and Conditions of Use": (http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=6048&group_id=1
Of course, the GPL is better, but SF restrict hosting of projects with an OSI approved license, so pure-data.sourceforge.net should not restrict hosting only to GPLed externals. The introduction text could invite developers to release their externals with a GPL compatible license.
-- Marc
"C'est toujours facile de dire après ce qu'il fallait faire avant !" (Jean-Luc Godard)
On Tue, 13 May 2003, Frank Barknecht wrote:
BTW.: We still state, that externals on SF need to use the GPL. I don't think this is correct, they just need an open source, maybe OSI-approved license. So maybe in the end cyclone could also go into the CVS.
Actually thats true. When I set up the site I had to choose a license, that led me to the conclusion that all the software has to be under that license. But obviously this is wrong, so lets change that as fast as possible.
Guenter
Hallo, guenter geiger hat gesagt: // guenter geiger wrote:
Actually thats true. When I set up the site I had to choose a license, that led me to the conclusion that all the software has to be under that license. But obviously this is wrong, so lets change that as fast as possible.
I now changed it to: "A lot of the externals here are currently GPL'd, but the only requirement we have is, that your code has an Open Source license"
ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
Hallo, jfm3 hat gesagt: // jfm3 wrote:
I am not very good at maintaining pure-data.org, and I don't think it's as useful as it might be. I would like to start a new web site with a broader focus. If someone would like, I will happily hand over the pure-data.org domain name. I think it's paid up for a few more years. Drop me an email if you are interested.
That's actually really sad to hear. But as your plans seem firm, I'd like to take the occasion to say a big Thank You for maintaining pd.org over all those years. It has always been a valueable resource and definitely not only because of the domain name - also because it has the focus of a website for users, not only for developers.
Anyway: I could figure that pd.org could be a new home for pd.sf.net, with the traditional strong user focus on the main page. I'd be willing to keep help maintain it. I also could provide customized content management code - but only using the Webware Application Server in Python, that my site runs on. I cannot (or better: don't want) write PHP :(
ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
hi,
Am Montag, 12. Mai 2003 22:08 schrieb jfm3:
I am not very good at maintaining pure-data.org, and I don't think it's as useful as it might be. I would like to start a new web site with a broader focus. If someone would like, I will happily hand over the pure-data.org domain name. I think it's paid up for a few more years. Drop me an email if you are interested.
i can provide web space as much as needed, php, mysql, .... if needed. no problem to create accounts (shell access via ssh) for the maintainers. that will be ad-free etc. of course.
but the management of the site has to be done by others, since i have no spare time. i just can provide the infastructure.
greets,
chris
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