I think it can only be spiritual successor if you believe it to be one in part because its philosophy is different. What I said originally was that I had no explicit intentions on replacing extended in part because I was not sure what was its roadmap and whether it had a chance of being developed further. In other words, I never denied its capacity to replace extended but also did not want to assert that in any kind of authoritative way. Hope this helps!
interesting, can you please elaborate on this:
Its design principle is centered around nimble distributed development which may (and already does) include improvements in core behavior.
thanks Giulio
From: Ivica Bukvic ico@vt.edu To: Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com Cc: Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016, 20:28 Subject: Re: [PD] purr data beta1
I think it can only be spiritual successor if you believe it to be one in part because its philosophy is different. What I said originally was that I had no explicit intentions on replacing extended in part because I was not sure what was its roadmap and whether it had a chance of being developed further. In other words, I never denied its capacity to replace extended but also did not want to assert that in any kind of authoritative way. Hope this helps!
Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Associate Professor Computer Music ICAT Senior Fellow Director -- DISIS, L2Ork Virginia Tech School of Performing Arts – 0141 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-6139 ico@vt.edu www.performingarts.vt.edu disis.icat.vt.edu l2ork.icat.vt.edu ico.bukvic.net
On Sep 29, 2016 14:52, "Dan Wilcox" danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
In this light, is Purr Data the spiritual successor for Pd-Extended? As I recall in previous discussions, y'all were explicit that Pd-L2Ork was not.
This question is not meant as a slight in any way. I’m just curious how this new project fits within your goals and the Pd community at large.
Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com
robotcowboy.com
On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:29 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
From: Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PD] purr data beta1
Date: September 29, 2016 at 11:21:49 AM MDT
To: "pd-list@lists.iem.at" pd-list@lists.iem.at
In short: A Game Changer!
2016-09-29 13:06 GMT-03:00 Ivica Ico Bukvic ico@vt.edu:
Purr-Data is a GUI rewrite for Pd-L2Ork which has over 1,500 patches/bugfixes/improvements over vanilla/extended. Its design principle is centered around nimble distributed development which may (and already does) include improvements in core behavior. Hope this helps!
Best, Ico
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Well, for one, I've been saying around: "Purr Data is the New Extended"...
2016-09-29 16:34 GMT-03:00 Giulio Moro via Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at:
interesting, can you please elaborate on this:
Its design principle is centered around nimble distributed development
which may (and already does) include improvements in core behavior.
thanks Giulio
From: Ivica Bukvic ico@vt.edu To: Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com Cc: Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016, 20:28 Subject: Re: [PD] purr data beta1
I think it can only be spiritual successor if you believe it to be one in
part because its philosophy is different. What I said originally was that I had no explicit intentions on replacing extended in part because I was not sure what was its roadmap and whether it had a chance of being developed further. In other words, I never denied its capacity to replace extended but also did not want to assert that in any kind of authoritative way. Hope this helps!
-- Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Associate Professor Computer Music ICAT Senior Fellow Director -- DISIS, L2Ork Virginia Tech School of Performing Arts – 0141 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-6139 ico@vt.edu www.performingarts.vt.edu disis.icat.vt.edu l2ork.icat.vt.edu ico.bukvic.net
On Sep 29, 2016 14:52, "Dan Wilcox" danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
In this light, is Purr Data the spiritual successor for Pd-Extended? As I
recall in previous discussions, y'all were explicit that Pd-L2Ork was not.
This question is not meant as a slight in any way. I’m just curious how
this new project fits within your goals and the Pd community at large.
Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com
robotcowboy.com
On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:29 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
From: Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PD] purr data beta1
Date: September 29, 2016 at 11:21:49 AM MDT
To: "pd-list@lists.iem.at" pd-list@lists.iem.at
In short: A Game Changer!
2016-09-29 13:06 GMT-03:00 Ivica Ico Bukvic ico@vt.edu:
Purr-Data is a GUI rewrite for Pd-L2Ork which has over 1,500
patches/bugfixes/improvements over vanilla/extended. Its design principle is centered around nimble distributed development which may (and already does) include improvements in core behavior. Hope this helps!
Best, Ico
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what is not clear to me is if Purr Data will replace Pd-L2ork
so we could also say "Purr Data is the new Pd-L2ork"
2016-09-29 18:12 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com:
Well, for one, I've been saying around: "Purr Data is the New Extended"...
2016-09-29 16:34 GMT-03:00 Giulio Moro via Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at:
interesting, can you please elaborate on this:
Its design principle is centered around nimble distributed development
which may (and already does) include improvements in core behavior.
thanks Giulio
From: Ivica Bukvic ico@vt.edu To: Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com Cc: Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016, 20:28 Subject: Re: [PD] purr data beta1
I think it can only be spiritual successor if you believe it to be one
in part because its philosophy is different. What I said originally was that I had no explicit intentions on replacing extended in part because I was not sure what was its roadmap and whether it had a chance of being developed further. In other words, I never denied its capacity to replace extended but also did not want to assert that in any kind of authoritative way. Hope this helps!
-- Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Associate Professor Computer Music ICAT Senior Fellow Director -- DISIS, L2Ork Virginia Tech School of Performing Arts – 0141 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-6139 ico@vt.edu www.performingarts.vt.edu disis.icat.vt.edu l2ork.icat.vt.edu ico.bukvic.net
On Sep 29, 2016 14:52, "Dan Wilcox" danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
In this light, is Purr Data the spiritual successor for Pd-Extended? As
I recall in previous discussions, y'all were explicit that Pd-L2Ork was not.
This question is not meant as a slight in any way. I’m just curious how
this new project fits within your goals and the Pd community at large.
Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com
robotcowboy.com
On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:29 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
From: Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PD] purr data beta1
Date: September 29, 2016 at 11:21:49 AM MDT
To: "pd-list@lists.iem.at" pd-list@lists.iem.at
In short: A Game Changer!
2016-09-29 13:06 GMT-03:00 Ivica Ico Bukvic ico@vt.edu:
Purr-Data is a GUI rewrite for Pd-L2Ork which has over 1,500
patches/bugfixes/improvements over vanilla/extended. Its design principle is centered around nimble distributed development which may (and already does) include improvements in core behavior. Hope this helps!
Best, Ico
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Not sure Purr Data will replace anything since sources aren't available
Le 29/09/2016 à 23:14, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
what is not clear to me is if Purr Data will replace Pd-L2ork
so we could also say "Purr Data is the new Pd-L2ork"
2016-09-29 18:12 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com mailto:porres@gmail.com>:
Well, for one, I've been saying around: "Purr Data is the New Extended"... 2016-09-29 16:34 GMT-03:00 Giulio Moro via Pd-list <pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>>: interesting, can you please elaborate on this: > Its design principle is centered around nimble distributed development which may (and already does) include improvements in core behavior. thanks Giulio >________________________________ > From: Ivica Bukvic <ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu>> >To: Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com <mailto:danomatika@gmail.com>> >Cc: Pd-list <pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> >Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016, 20:28 >Subject: Re: [PD] purr data beta1 > > > >I think it can only be spiritual successor if you believe it to be one in part because its philosophy is different. What I said originally was that I had no explicit intentions on replacing extended in part because I was not sure what was its roadmap and whether it had a chance of being developed further. In other words, I never denied its capacity to replace extended but also did not want to assert that in any kind of authoritative way. Hope this helps! >-- >Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. >Associate Professor >Computer Music >ICAT Senior Fellow >Director -- DISIS, L2Ork >Virginia Tech >School of Performing Arts – 0141 >Blacksburg, VA 24061 >(540) 231-6139 >ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu> >www.performingarts.vt.edu <http://www.performingarts.vt.edu> >disis.icat.vt.edu <http://disis.icat.vt.edu> >l2ork.icat.vt.edu <http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu> >ico.bukvic.net <http://ico.bukvic.net> > > >On Sep 29, 2016 14:52, "Dan Wilcox" <danomatika@gmail.com <mailto:danomatika@gmail.com>> wrote: > >In this light, is Purr Data the spiritual successor for Pd-Extended? As I recall in previous discussions, y'all were explicit that Pd-L2Ork was not. >> >> >>This question is not meant as a slight in any way. I’m just curious how this new project fits within your goals and the Pd community at large. >> >> >> >>-------- >>Dan Wilcox >>@danomatika >>danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com> >> >>robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com> >> >>On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:29 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at> wrote: >>> >>>From: Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com <mailto:porres@gmail.com>> >>> >>>Subject: Re: [PD] purr data beta1 >>> >>>Date: September 29, 2016 at 11:21:49 AM MDT >>> >>>To: "pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>" <pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>In short: A Game Changer! >>> >>> >>>2016-09-29 13:06 GMT-03:00 Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu>>: >>> >>>Purr-Data is a GUI rewrite for Pd-L2Ork which has over 1,500 patches/bugfixes/improvements over vanilla/extended. Its design principle is centered around nimble distributed development which may (and already does) include improvements in core behavior. Hope this helps! >>>> >>>>Best, >>>>Ico >> > >_______________________________________________ >Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list >UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list <https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list> > > > _______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list <https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list>
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On 09/29/2016 11:23 PM, patrice colet wrote:
Not sure Purr Data will replace anything since sources aren't available
how come? https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data
gmdsar IOhannes
Le 29/09/2016 à 23:40, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :
On 09/29/2016 11:23 PM, patrice colet wrote:
Not sure Purr Data will replace anything since sources aren't available
I didn't know about this link, thanks for posting it
2016-09-29 19:00 GMT-03:00 patrice colet colet.patrice@free.fr:
Le 29/09/2016 à 23:40, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :
On 09/29/2016 11:23 PM, patrice colet wrote:
Not sure Purr Data will replace anything since sources aren't available
I didn't know about this link, thanks for posting it
Well, not only the source is available, but as I understand it, both Purr Data and Pd-L2ork are open to collaboration by anyone who wishes to join forces.
I have the idea that extended's development was highly centralized, not that I mean to imply that this was the intention, but it seems to me that's how it went, so when it was abandoned, it was hard to take it further - I might be totally wrong in my analysis so please feel free to correct me.
What I wanna say is that I just hope more people get involved and collaborate with Purr Data and Pd-L2ork, so it benefits from an actual community effort where development happens faster.
cheers
I have the idea that extended's development was highly centralized, not that I mean to imply that this was the intention, but it seems to me that's how it went, so when it was abandoned, it was hard to take it further - I might be totally wrong in my analysis so please feel free to correct me.
The main problem was that setting up a build environment was way too complicated. Also, the build itself takes too long, and there aren't adequate tests to ensure the build completed properly.
I've improved the Windows build environment immensely just by leveraging msys2. But the new msys2 installer has a bug that requires an obscure workaround. Apparently the msys2 team already fixed the bug. But the lead dev is on vacation for two weeks, and guess who is the only person able to push bug fixes into the installer binaries... So apparently the free software ecosystem is full of problems like this. -Jonathan
Not sure Purr Data will replace anything since sources aren't available
https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data
Btw-- successfully building for Windows, OSX, and Gnu/Linux was by _far_ the most time-consuming part of this project. -Jonathan
Le 29/09/2016 à 23:14, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
what is not clear to me is if Purr Data will replace Pd-L2ork
so we could also say "Purr Data is the new Pd-L2ork"
2016-09-29 18:12 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com mailto:porres@gmail.com>:
Well, for one, I've been saying around: "Purr Data is the New Extended"...
2016-09-29 16:34 GMT-03:00 Giulio Moro via Pd-list <pd-list@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>:
interesting, can you please elaborate on this:
> Its design principle is centered around nimble distributed development which may (and already does) include improvements in core behavior.
thanks Giulio >________________________________ > From: Ivica Bukvic <ico@vt.edu mailto:ico@vt.edu> >To: Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com mailto:danomatika@gmail.com> >Cc: Pd-list <pd-list@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> >Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016, 20:28 >Subject: Re: [PD] purr data beta1 > > > >I think it can only be spiritual successor if you believe it to be one in part because its philosophy is different. What I said originally was that I had no explicit intentions on replacing extended in part because I was not sure what was its roadmap and whether it had a chance of being developed further. In other words, I never denied its capacity to replace extended but also did not want to assert that in any kind of authoritative way. Hope this helps! >-- >Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. >Associate Professor >Computer Music >ICAT Senior Fellow >Director -- DISIS, L2Ork >Virginia Tech >School of Performing Arts – 0141 >Blacksburg, VA 24061 >(540) 231-6139 >ico@vt.edu mailto:ico@vt.edu >www.performingarts.vt.edu http://www.performingarts.vt.edu >disis.icat.vt.edu http://disis.icat.vt.edu >l2ork.icat.vt.edu http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu >ico.bukvic.net http://ico.bukvic.net > > >On Sep 29, 2016 14:52, "Dan Wilcox" <danomatika@gmail.com mailto:danomatika@gmail.com> wrote: > >In this light, is Purr Data the spiritual successor for Pd-Extended? As I recall in previous discussions, y'all were explicit that Pd-L2Ork was not. >> >> >>This question is not meant as a slight in any way. I’m just curious how this new project fits within your goals and the Pd community at large. >> >> >> >>-------- >>Dan Wilcox >>@danomatika >>danomatika.com http://danomatika.com >> >>robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com >> >>On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:29 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote: >>> >>>From: Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com mailto:porres@gmail.com> >>> >>>Subject: Re: [PD] purr data beta1 >>> >>>Date: September 29, 2016 at 11:21:49 AM MDT >>> >>>To: "pd-list@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at" <pd-list@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>In short: A Game Changer! >>> >>> >>>2016-09-29 13:06 GMT-03:00 Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico@vt.edu mailto:ico@vt.edu>: >>> >>>Purr-Data is a GUI rewrite for Pd-L2Ork which has over 1,500 patches/bugfixes/improvements over vanilla/extended. Its design principle is centered around nimble distributed development which may (and already does) include improvements in core behavior. Hope this helps! >>>> >>>>Best, >>>>Ico >> > >_______________________________________________ >Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > >
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Le 29/09/2016 à 23:45, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
Not sure Purr Data will replace anything since sources aren't available
https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data
Btw-- successfully building for Windows, OSX, and Gnu/Linux was by _far_ the most time-consuming part of this project.
I'm trying it right now with hoping that it won't crash when jackd is stopped, that's the main reason for me to consume time on it.
Le 29/09/2016 à 23:45, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
Not sure Purr Data will replace anything since sources aren't available
https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data
Btw-- successfully building for Windows, OSX, and Gnu/Linux was by _far_ the most time-consuming part of this project.
I'm trying it right now with hoping that it won't crash when jackd is stopped, that's the main reason for me to consume time on it.
The good news is it won't crash. The bad news is that so far I've had to compile without jack support to get things to build correctly. -Jonathan
Le 30/09/2016 à 00:15, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
Le 29/09/2016 à 23:45, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
Not sure Purr Data will replace anything since sources aren't
available
https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data
Btw-- successfully building for Windows, OSX, and Gnu/Linux was by
_far_
the most time-consuming part of this project.
I'm trying it right now with hoping that it won't crash when jackd is stopped, that's the main reason for me to consume time on it.
The good news is it won't crash. The bad news is that so far I've had to compile without jack support to get things to build correctly.
That's quite a bad a new indeed, but anyway I haven't found a way to compile because all the GNU/linux stuff I've found in there are Debian only, and I'm not on Debian, otherwise I'd just use binaries.
The good news is it won't crash. The bad news is that so far I've had
to compile without jack support to get things to build correctly.
That's quite a bad a new indeed, but anyway I haven't found a way to compile because all the GNU/linux stuff I've found in there are Debian only, and I'm not on Debian, otherwise I'd just use binaries.
I'll look into building with Jack support for the next release on OSX.
The easy, documented, tested, and currently maintained "stuff" is
for building deb packages. You could try tar_em_up.sh -F which--
if successful-- will output a tar.gz in the parent dir of the main repo
dir. Or if you don't need Gem you can do tar_em_up.sh -f for a
much faster compilation time.
-Jonathan
Le 30/09/2016 à 02:31, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
The good news is it won't crash. The bad news is that so far I've had
to compile without jack support to get things to build correctly.
That's quite a bad a new indeed, but anyway I haven't found a way to compile because all the GNU/linux stuff I've found in there are
Debian only,
and I'm not on Debian, otherwise I'd just use binaries.
I'll look into building with Jack support for the next release on OSX.
The easy, documented, tested, and currently maintained "stuff" is for building deb packages. You could try
tar_em_up.sh -Fwhich-- if successful-- will output a tar.gz in the parent dir of the main repo dir. Or if you don't need Gem you can dotar_em_up.sh -ffor a much faster compilation time.
I'm a bit confused because I haven't found the tar_em_up.sh goodie in the script folder from your git repository. Last time I've successfully compiled pd-l2ork was by using this script, so I'm wondering if I should copy tar_em_up.sh from pd-l2ork to purr data script folder.
I'm a bit confused because I haven't found the tar_em_up.sh goodie in
the script folder from your git repository. It's in l2ork_addons. (Would be nice to have it toplevel and flatten the whole complicated repo layout, but with a multi-level recursive gnu makefile build system that's unfortunately very difficult)
Le 30/09/2016 à 03:01, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
I'm a bit confused because I haven't found the tar_em_up.sh goodie in
the script folder from your git repository.
It's in l2ork_addons. (Would be nice to have it toplevel and flatten the whole complicated repo layout, but with a multi-level recursive gnu makefile build system that's unfortunately very difficult)
It's allright, I was just too lazy to look deeper and find the script, a note about this in README.md would help a lot I guess...
Once the script has done it's job, I can find all the compiled stuff in packages/build/usr/local, so now I want a clean install/uninstall of all the stuff in my system so I'm doing 'make install' from package directory, but it compiles again, is it the good way to go?
Once the script has done it's job, I can find all the compiled stuff in
packages/build/usr/local, so now I want a clean install/uninstall of all
the stuff
in my system so I'm doing 'make install' from package directory, but it
compiles again, is it the good way to go?
You should have a tar.gz in the parent directory of the root repo
directory. Untar it, enter the directory it creates, then do make install
there.
Once it's installed and launched, I see in console window that there are things I have to deal with manually...
There are plenty of externals that couldn't load, and I don't know what is triggering this because the first thing I've done is replacing
'/usr/lib' by '/usr/local/lib' in ~/.pd-l2ork/user.settings but libraries are still missing, even the ones that resides in '/usr/local/lib/pd-l2ork/extra'.
So I don't really know how to deal with this problem.
The audio is working on ALSA driver that I use to pass through JACK with alsa loopback, the sound test is successfull.
I can also enjoy the GUI modes, particulary the inverted one, very useful when doing a performance.
I still don't understand what happened to the help browser, I use to navigate through references and tutorials in vanilla, that is quite usefull for people with bird memory like me, if I type 'tutorial' in search engine some parts are appearing in random order so I'm a bit lost with it.
The manual doesn't show up with my web browser but with the text editor.
The developper tool is a chrome extension I don't really know what it stands for, but I guess that my webdev background will help when I'll go deeper into this, even if I'm not particulary fan of chrome stuff...
Anyway that is a great job, thanks for the help.
Le 30/09/2016 à 04:14, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
Once the script has done it's job, I can find all the compiled stuff in
packages/build/usr/local, so now I want a clean install/uninstall of all the stuff in my system so I'm doing 'make install' from package directory, but it compiles again, is it the good way to go?
You should have a tar.gz in the parent directory of the root repo directory. Untar it, enter the directory it creates, then do
make installthere.
Once it's installed and launched, I see in console window that there are
things I have to deal with manually...
There are plenty of externals that couldn't load, and I don't know what is triggering this because the first thing I've done is replacing
'/usr/lib' by '/usr/local/lib' in ~/.pd-l2ork/user.settings but libraries are still missing, even the ones that resides in '/usr/local/lib/pd-l2ork/extra'.
So I don't really know how to deal with this problem.
I'm not sure either. I'm only testing the builds I made available as binaries, and I need to work on automating those before I'll have time to investigate the tar.gz install method.
The audio is working on ALSA driver that I use to pass through JACK with
alsa loopback, the sound test is successfull.
I can also enjoy the GUI modes, particulary the inverted one, very
useful when doing a performance.
I still don't understand what happened to the help browser, I use to
navigate through references and tutorials in vanilla, that is quite usefull for people with bird memory like me, if I type 'tutorial' in search engine some parts are appearing in random order so I'm a bit lost with it. I haven't worked at all on the help browser yet.
The manual doesn't show up with my web browser but with the text editor.
Ok, I'll check that out.
The developper tool is a chrome extension I don't really know what it
stands for, but I guess that my webdev background will help when I'll go deeper into this, even if I'm not particulary fan of chrome stuff... It's Chromium.
Anyway that is a great job, thanks for the help.
Sure! -Jonathan Le 30/09/2016 à 04:14, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
Once the script has done it's job, I can find all the compiled stuff in
packages/build/usr/local, so now I want a clean install/uninstall of all the stuff in my system so I'm doing 'make install' from package directory, but it compiles again, is it the good way to go?
You should have a tar.gz in the parent directory of the root repo directory. Untar it, enter the directory it creates, then do
make installthere.
On 9/29/2016 6:04 PM, patrice colet wrote:
Le 29/09/2016 à 23:45, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
Not sure Purr Data will replace anything since sources aren't
available
https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data
Btw-- successfully building for Windows, OSX, and Gnu/Linux was by _far_ the most time-consuming part of this project.
I'm trying it right now with hoping that it won't crash when jackd is stopped, that's the main reason for me to consume time on it.
Did you try pd-l2ork (assuming you have access to Linux)? I thought I fixed this a while ago.
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Le 30/09/2016 à 20:47, Ivica Ico Bukvic a écrit :
On 9/29/2016 6:04 PM, patrice colet wrote:
Le 29/09/2016 à 23:45, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
Not sure Purr Data will replace anything since sources aren't
available
https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data
Btw-- successfully building for Windows, OSX, and Gnu/Linux was by _far_ the most time-consuming part of this project.
I'm trying it right now with hoping that it won't crash when jackd is stopped, that's the main reason for me to consume time on it.
Did you try pd-l2ork (assuming you have access to Linux)? I thought I fixed this a while ago.
Yes I did, I even planned to make a better archlinux package but I had problems with managing externals, and chosen to stay on vanilla since deken came out.
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Le 30/09/2016 à 21:38, patrice colet a écrit :
Le 30/09/2016 à 20:47, Ivica Ico Bukvic a écrit :
Did you try pd-l2ork (assuming you have access to Linux)? I thought I fixed this a while ago.
Yes I did, I even planned to make a better archlinux package but I had problems with managing externals, and chosen to stay on vanilla since deken came out.
This remind me a conversation with Hans where I asked if there is a way to manage externals through a repository but we didn't get to the point, now there is something nice where all pd versions could rely on with a bit of efforts from all parts, I believe, for getting all pd libraries installed without tweaking the OS or anything else.
That was eons ago. You now have also arch Linux packages thanks to Albert.
Best,
what is not clear to me is if Purr Data will replace Pd-L2ork
I'm still missing some GUI externals, Ivica's K12 mode, and a few Pd-l2ork-specific externals that require work to get running under Windows.
Also, the HTML5 interface is a real cpu hog. If it's a single core machine you'll see a big performance hit. It's getting better with each release of nw.js, and I really haven't done a single thing to optimize anything yet. -Jonathan
so we could also say "Purr Data is the new Pd-L2ork"
2016-09-29 18:12 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com:
Well, for one, I've been saying around: "Purr Data is the New Extended"... 2016-09-29 16:34 GMT-03:00 Giulio Moro via Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at:
interesting, can you please elaborate on this:
Its design principle is centered around nimble distributed development which may (and already does) include improvements in core behavior.
thanks Giulio
From: Ivica Bukvic ico@vt.edu To: Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com Cc: Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016, 20:28 Subject: Re: [PD] purr data beta1
I think it can only be spiritual successor if you believe it to be one in part because its philosophy is different. What I said originally was that I had no explicit intentions on replacing extended in part because I was not sure what was its roadmap and whether it had a chance of being developed further. In other words, I never denied its capacity to replace extended but also did not want to assert that in any kind of authoritative way. Hope this helps!
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On Sep 29, 2016 14:52, "Dan Wilcox" danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
In this light, is Purr Data the spiritual successor for Pd-Extended? As I recall in previous discussions, y'all were explicit that Pd-L2Ork was not.
This question is not meant as a slight in any way. I’m just curious how this new project fits within your goals and the Pd community at large.
Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com
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On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:29 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
From: Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PD] purr data beta1
Date: September 29, 2016 at 11:21:49 AM MDT
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In short: A Game Changer!
2016-09-29 13:06 GMT-03:00 Ivica Ico Bukvic ico@vt.edu:
Purr-Data is a GUI rewrite for Pd-L2Ork which has over 1,500 patches/bugfixes/improvements over vanilla/extended. Its design principle is centered around nimble distributed development which may (and already does) include improvements in core behavior. Hope this helps!
Best, Ico
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Once Purr Data is stabilized, Pd-L2Ork will merge all of Jonathan's hard work and reconcile any differences. Jonathan may want to continue maintaining Purr-Data in parallel, or he may be fine with streamlining efforts (as was the case prior to the onset of the GUI rewrite). This is the nature of open source. Either way users win. As we move forward, what I am hoping for is more people becoming contributors.
Best,
Ico
On 9/29/2016 5:14 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
what is not clear to me is if Purr Data will replace Pd-L2ork
so we could also say "Purr Data is the new Pd-L2ork"
2016-09-29 18:12 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com mailto:porres@gmail.com>:
Well, for one, I've been saying around: "Purr Data is the New Extended"... 2016-09-29 16:34 GMT-03:00 Giulio Moro via Pd-list <pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>>: interesting, can you please elaborate on this: > Its design principle is centered around nimble distributed development which may (and already does) include improvements in core behavior. thanks Giulio >________________________________ > From: Ivica Bukvic <ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu>> >To: Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com <mailto:danomatika@gmail.com>> >Cc: Pd-list <pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> >Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016, 20:28 >Subject: Re: [PD] purr data beta1 > > > >I think it can only be spiritual successor if you believe it to be one in part because its philosophy is different. What I said originally was that I had no explicit intentions on replacing extended in part because I was not sure what was its roadmap and whether it had a chance of being developed further. In other words, I never denied its capacity to replace extended but also did not want to assert that in any kind of authoritative way. Hope this helps! >-- >Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. >Associate Professor >Computer Music >ICAT Senior Fellow >Director -- DISIS, L2Ork >Virginia Tech >School of Performing Arts – 0141 >Blacksburg, VA 24061 >(540) 231-6139 >ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu> >www.performingarts.vt.edu <http://www.performingarts.vt.edu> >disis.icat.vt.edu <http://disis.icat.vt.edu> >l2ork.icat.vt.edu <http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu> >ico.bukvic.net <http://ico.bukvic.net> > > >On Sep 29, 2016 14:52, "Dan Wilcox" <danomatika@gmail.com <mailto:danomatika@gmail.com>> wrote: > >In this light, is Purr Data the spiritual successor for Pd-Extended? As I recall in previous discussions, y'all were explicit that Pd-L2Ork was not. >> >> >>This question is not meant as a slight in any way. I’m just curious how this new project fits within your goals and the Pd community at large. >> >> >> >>-------- >>Dan Wilcox >>@danomatika >>danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com> >> >>robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com> >> >>On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:29 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at> wrote: >>> >>>From: Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com <mailto:porres@gmail.com>> >>> >>>Subject: Re: [PD] purr data beta1 >>> >>>Date: September 29, 2016 at 11:21:49 AM MDT >>> >>>To: "pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>" <pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>In short: A Game Changer! >>> >>> >>>2016-09-29 13:06 GMT-03:00 Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu>>: >>> >>>Purr-Data is a GUI rewrite for Pd-L2Ork which has over 1,500 patches/bugfixes/improvements over vanilla/extended. Its design principle is centered around nimble distributed development which may (and already does) include improvements in core behavior. Hope this helps! >>>> >>>>Best, >>>>Ico >> > >_______________________________________________ >Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list >UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list <https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list> > > > _______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list <https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list>
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Once Purr Data is stabilized, Pd-L2Ork will merge all of Jonathan's hard work and reconcile any differences. Jonathan may want to continue maintaining Purr-Data in parallel, or he may be fine with streamlining efforts (as was the case prior to the onset of the GUI rewrite).
Merging is definitely the way to go. Though I would suggest leveraging the current gitlab instance for development and continuous integration.
This is the nature of open source. Either way users win. As we move forward, what I am hoping for is more people becoming contributors.
Contributions are certainly welcome. As evidence, I offer Purr Data. :) -Jonathan
Best, > Ico
On 9/29/2016 5:14 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
what is not clear to me is if Purr Data will replace Pd-L2ork
so we could also say "Purr Data is the new Pd-L2ork"
2016-09-29 18:12 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com:
Well, for one, I've been saying around: "Purr Data is the New Extended"...
2016-09-29 16:34 GMT-03:00 Giulio Moro via Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at:
interesting, can you please elaborate on this:
Its design principle is centered around nimble distributed development which may (and already does) include improvements in core behavior.
thanks Giulio
From: Ivica Bukvic ico@vt.edu To: Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com Cc: Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016, 20:28 Subject: Re: [PD] purr data beta1
I think it can only be spiritual successor if you believe it to be one in part because its philosophy is different. What I said originally was that I had no explicit intentions on replacing extended in part because I was not sure what was its roadmap and whether it had a chance of being developed further. In other words, I never denied its capacity to replace extended but also did not want to assert that in any kind of authoritative way. Hope this helps!
Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Associate Professor Computer Music ICAT Senior Fellow Director -- DISIS, L2Ork Virginia Tech School of Performing Arts – 0141 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-6139 ico@vt.edu www.performingarts.vt.edu disis.icat.vt.edu l2ork.icat.vt.edu ico.bukvic.net
On Sep 29, 2016 14:52, "Dan Wilcox" danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
In this light, is Purr Data the spiritual successor for Pd-Extended? As I recall in previous discussions, y'all were explicit that Pd-L2Ork was not.
This question is not meant as a slight in any way. I’m just curious how this new project fits within your goals and the Pd community at large.
Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com
robotcowboy.com
On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:29 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
From: Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PD] purr data beta1
Date: September 29, 2016 at 11:21:49 AM MDT
To: "pd-list@lists.iem.at" pd-list@lists.iem.at
In short: A Game Changer!
2016-09-29 13:06 GMT-03:00 Ivica Ico Bukvic ico@vt.edu:
Purr-Data is a GUI rewrite for Pd-L2Ork which has over 1,500 patches/bugfixes/improvements over vanilla/extended. Its design principle is centered around nimble distributed development which may (and already does) include improvements in core behavior. Hope this helps!
Best, Ico
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There are many improvements to the core behavior that are too numerous to list. I suggest looking at the changelog. Some that come off top my head are trigger object that allows for static declaration (e.g. [t 1 f blah] when receives a value will output symbol blah from the third outlet, float from second, and 1 from first no matter the input value). You can pass any number of arguments by using $@ argument. Pd-l2ork doesn't crash if you change a send in the same cycle that the same send is used. Tidy up is completely different, JACK disconnect is handled in a way that does not produce a hang (this may have been fixed in a vanilla--it wasn't that way the last time I checked), etc.
Best,
Ico
On 9/29/2016 3:34 PM, Giulio Moro wrote:
interesting, can you please elaborate on this:
Its design principle is centered around nimble distributed development which may (and already does) include improvements in core behavior.
thanks Giulio
From: Ivica Bukvic ico@vt.edu To: Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com Cc: Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016, 20:28 Subject: Re: [PD] purr data beta1
I think it can only be spiritual successor if you believe it to be one in part because its philosophy is different. What I said originally was that I had no explicit intentions on replacing extended in part because I was not sure what was its roadmap and whether it had a chance of being developed further. In other words, I never denied its capacity to replace extended but also did not want to assert that in any kind of authoritative way. Hope this helps!
Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Associate Professor Computer Music ICAT Senior Fellow Director -- DISIS, L2Ork Virginia Tech School of Performing Arts – 0141 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-6139 ico@vt.edu www.performingarts.vt.edu disis.icat.vt.edu l2ork.icat.vt.edu ico.bukvic.net
On Sep 29, 2016 14:52, "Dan Wilcox" danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
In this light, is Purr Data the spiritual successor for Pd-Extended? As I recall in previous discussions, y'all were explicit that Pd-L2Ork was not.
This question is not meant as a slight in any way. I’m just curious how this new project fits within your goals and the Pd community at large.
Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com
robotcowboy.com
On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:29 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
From: Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PD] purr data beta1
Date: September 29, 2016 at 11:21:49 AM MDT
To: "pd-list@lists.iem.at" pd-list@lists.iem.at
In short: A Game Changer!
2016-09-29 13:06 GMT-03:00 Ivica Ico Bukvic ico@vt.edu:
Purr-Data is a GUI rewrite for Pd-L2Ork which has over 1,500 patches/bugfixes/improvements over vanilla/extended. Its design principle is centered around nimble distributed development which may (and already does) include improvements in core behavior. Hope this helps!
Best, Ico
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