Hi List! I'm trying to play an mp3 layerII file with [mp3play~] ans it does only support layer III files. While I'm looking for the appropiate converter (fail at that by now) I was wondering if there was another external able to play layer II files (the most common type, not?). Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that? Thanx!
[readsf~]?
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona xamps23@gmail.comwrote:
Hi List! I'm trying to play an mp3 layerII file with [mp3play~] ans it does only support layer III files. While I'm looking for the appropiate converter (fail at that by now) I was wondering if there was another external able to play layer II files (the most common type, not?). Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that? Thanx!
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A MPEG-1 LAyer II file is MP2 not MP3. You will need to find a player/converter for that. Maybe VLC?
There are multiple ways to play .wav files with Pd - check the example patches included with it.
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona xamps23@gmail.comwrote:
Hi List! I'm trying to play an mp3 layerII file with [mp3play~] ans it does only support layer III files. While I'm looking for the appropiate converter (fail at that by now) I was wondering if there was another external able to play layer II files (the most common type, not?). Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that? Thanx!
-- Òscar Martínez Carmona
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[readsf~] seems to be what I was looking for! I'm not sure about mp3 layers and names , but when that layer II file is what I get with an mp3 bounce with Logic... Thank you both!
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, chris clepper cgclepper@gmail.com wrote:
A MPEG-1 LAyer II file is MP2 not MP3. You will need to find a player/converter for that. Maybe VLC?
There are multiple ways to play .wav files with Pd - check the example patches included with it.
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona < xamps23@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi List! I'm trying to play an mp3 layerII file with [mp3play~] ans it does only support layer III files. While I'm looking for the appropiate converter (fail at that by now) I was wondering if there was another external able to play layer II files (the most common type, not?). Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that? Thanx!
-- Òscar Martínez Carmona
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On 11/20/2012 07:04 PM, Ãscar MartÃnez Carmona wrote:
[readsf~] seems to be what I was looking for! I'm not sure about mp3 layers and names , but when that layer II file is what I get with an mp3 bounce with Logic...
then you probably should report a bug with "f*cking" logic.
fgmasdr IOhannes
then you probably should report a bug with "f*cking" logic.
Should I? I mean, the external might work fine with layer III files (in reality mp3 stands for mpeg2 layer 3), the thing is that all the converters I've used are on layer II, so I can't use it!
Anyways, I've solved it with [readsf~] playing an .aif file, but the problem I got now it's related with dinamically changing the file I need to open. I receive the filename throught OSC and it goes to a symbol and it shows me the communication went nice, but apparently it doesn't affect the open message with the dollar sign, why??
[unpack f f s] l l I [amnotlayertri.aif} //this is supposed to represent a symbol l [ open ../samples/$ ( l [readsf~ 2]
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 8:00 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:
On 11/20/2012 07:04 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona wrote:
[readsf~] seems to be what I was looking for! I'm not sure about mp3 layers and names , but when that layer II file is what I get with an mp3 bounce with Logic...
then you probably should report a bug with "f*cking" logic.
fgmasdr IOhannes
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You'll need to replace the $ with $1, and it should work fine.
Cheers,
Pierre.
2012/11/21 Òscar Martínez Carmona xamps23@gmail.com
then you probably should report a bug with "f*cking" logic.
Should I? I mean, the external might work fine with layer III files (in reality mp3 stands for mpeg2 layer 3), the thing is that all the converters I've used are on layer II, so I can't use it!
Anyways, I've solved it with [readsf~] playing an .aif file, but the problem I got now it's related with dinamically changing the file I need to open. I receive the filename throught OSC and it goes to a symbol and it shows me the communication went nice, but apparently it doesn't affect the open message with the dollar sign, why??
[unpack f f s] l l I [amnotlayertri.aif} //this is supposed to represent a symbol l [ open ../samples/$ ( l [readsf~ 2]
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 8:00 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig zmoelnig@iem.atwrote:
On 11/20/2012 07:04 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona wrote:
[readsf~] seems to be what I was looking for! I'm not sure about mp3 layers and names , but when that layer II file is what I get with an mp3 bounce with Logic...
then you probably should report a bug with "f*cking" logic.
fgmasdr IOhannes
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Thanks!
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com wrote:
You'll need to replace the $ with $1, and it should work fine.
Cheers,
Pierre.
2012/11/21 Òscar Martínez Carmona xamps23@gmail.com
then you probably should report a bug with "f*cking" logic.
Should I? I mean, the external might work fine with layer III files (in reality mp3 stands for mpeg2 layer 3), the thing is that all the converters I've used are on layer II, so I can't use it!
Anyways, I've solved it with [readsf~] playing an .aif file, but the problem I got now it's related with dinamically changing the file I need to open. I receive the filename throught OSC and it goes to a symbol and it shows me the communication went nice, but apparently it doesn't affect the open message with the dollar sign, why??
[unpack f f s] l l I [amnotlayertri.aif} //this is supposed to represent a symbol l [ open ../samples/$ ( l [readsf~ 2]
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 8:00 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig zmoelnig@iem.atwrote:
On 11/20/2012 07:04 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona wrote:
[readsf~] seems to be what I was looking for! I'm not sure about mp3 layers and names , but when that layer II file is what I get with an mp3 bounce with Logic...
then you probably should report a bug with "f*cking" logic.
fgmasdr IOhannes
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Hello, chiming in on the mp3-file playing topic aswell... I encountered exactly the same problem trying to play a mp3 file a while ago with the object [mp3play~], receiving this error text:
============== error: : no such object Layer II not supported!
EOF: bang
which is maybe not so surprising as we all have heard that mp3 should be the layer III to be played. But how is it possible to change an mp3 that has layer II format into a layer III format? Seems most mp3´s are in the layer II standard. My try was with this mp3-file (found on UBU.com) http://ubumexico.centro.org.mx/sound/broodthaers_marcel/Broodthaers-Marcel_I...
I am attaching the help-patch for [mp3play~], which I found in IEMLIB folder.
If there only where ogg vorbis files out there it would be easy to just use [oggread~] which seems to work fine.
I am really curious about the layer II / III mystery. Also I have heard that layer III "are" the mp3 standard, and layer II not. Just don´t understand the error I am getting. (I am on a win xp machine, but the same happens also on a win 7 machine)
All the best, Björn Eriksson
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona xamps23@gmail.comwrote:
then you probably should report a bug with "f*cking" logic.
Should I? I mean, the external might work fine with layer III files (in reality mp3 stands for mpeg2 layer 3), the thing is that all the converters I've used are on layer II, so I can't use it!
Anyways, I've solved it with [readsf~] playing an .aif file, but the problem I got now it's related with dinamically changing the file I need to open. I receive the filename throught OSC and it goes to a symbol and it shows me the communication went nice, but apparently it doesn't affect the open message with the dollar sign, why??
[unpack f f s] l l I [amnotlayertri.aif} //this is supposed to represent a symbol l [ open ../samples/$ ( l [readsf~ 2]
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 8:00 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig zmoelnig@iem.atwrote:
On 11/20/2012 07:04 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona wrote:
[readsf~] seems to be what I was looking for! I'm not sure about mp3 layers and names , but when that layer II file is what I get with an mp3 bounce with Logic...
then you probably should report a bug with "f*cking" logic.
fgmasdr IOhannes
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Have you guys tried with [readanysf~] ?
Pierre.
2012/11/21 Björn Eriksson miulew@gmail.com
Hello, chiming in on the mp3-file playing topic aswell... I encountered exactly the same problem trying to play a mp3 file a while ago with the object [mp3play~], receiving this error text:
============== error: : no such object Layer II not supported!
EOF: bang
which is maybe not so surprising as we all have heard that mp3 should be the layer III to be played. But how is it possible to change an mp3 that has layer II format into a layer III format? Seems most mp3´s are in the layer II standard. My try was with this mp3-file (found on UBU.com)
http://ubumexico.centro.org.mx/sound/broodthaers_marcel/Broodthaers-Marcel_I...
I am attaching the help-patch for [mp3play~], which I found in IEMLIB folder.
If there only where ogg vorbis files out there it would be easy to just use [oggread~] which seems to work fine.
I am really curious about the layer II / III mystery. Also I have heard that layer III "are" the mp3 standard, and layer II not. Just don´t understand the error I am getting. (I am on a win xp machine, but the same happens also on a win 7 machine)
All the best, Björn Eriksson
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona <xamps23@gmail.com
wrote:
then you probably should report a bug with "f*cking" logic.
Should I? I mean, the external might work fine with layer III files (in reality mp3 stands for mpeg2 layer 3), the thing is that all the converters I've used are on layer II, so I can't use it!
Anyways, I've solved it with [readsf~] playing an .aif file, but the problem I got now it's related with dinamically changing the file I need to open. I receive the filename throught OSC and it goes to a symbol and it shows me the communication went nice, but apparently it doesn't affect the open message with the dollar sign, why??
[unpack f f s] l l I [amnotlayertri.aif} //this is supposed to represent a symbol l [ open ../samples/$ ( l [readsf~ 2]
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 8:00 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig zmoelnig@iem.atwrote:
On 11/20/2012 07:04 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona wrote:
[readsf~] seems to be what I was looking for! I'm not sure about mp3 layers and names , but when that layer II file is what I get with an mp3 bounce with Logic...
then you probably should report a bug with "f*cking" logic.
fgmasdr IOhannes
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Well, I tried to download and get into my pd install last winter - but I couldn´t find out how to get it onto these old win machines. Maybe there is something obvious I am doing wrong, or maybe it´s already included in the latest pd extended. Or maybe just not for win machines.
Someone who knows?
The object seems super nice though. Can really be helpful in a lot of situations.
http://aug.ment.org/readanysf/index.php
/Björn
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com wrote:
Have you guys tried with [readanysf~] ?
Pierre.
2012/11/21 Björn Eriksson miulew@gmail.com
Hello, chiming in on the mp3-file playing topic aswell... I encountered exactly the same problem trying to play a mp3 file a while ago with the object [mp3play~], receiving this error text:
============== error: : no such object Layer II not supported!
EOF: bang
which is maybe not so surprising as we all have heard that mp3 should be the layer III to be played. But how is it possible to change an mp3 that has layer II format into a layer III format? Seems most mp3´s are in the layer II standard. My try was with this mp3-file (found on UBU.com)
http://ubumexico.centro.org.mx/sound/broodthaers_marcel/Broodthaers-Marcel_I...
I am attaching the help-patch for [mp3play~], which I found in IEMLIB folder.
If there only where ogg vorbis files out there it would be easy to just use [oggread~] which seems to work fine.
I am really curious about the layer II / III mystery. Also I have heard that layer III "are" the mp3 standard, and layer II not. Just don´t understand the error I am getting. (I am on a win xp machine, but the same happens also on a win 7 machine)
All the best, Björn Eriksson
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona < xamps23@gmail.com> wrote:
then you probably should report a bug with "f*cking" logic.
Should I? I mean, the external might work fine with layer III files (in reality mp3 stands for mpeg2 layer 3), the thing is that all the converters I've used are on layer II, so I can't use it!
Anyways, I've solved it with [readsf~] playing an .aif file, but the problem I got now it's related with dinamically changing the file I need to open. I receive the filename throught OSC and it goes to a symbol and it shows me the communication went nice, but apparently it doesn't affect the open message with the dollar sign, why??
[unpack f f s] l l I [amnotlayertri.aif} //this is supposed to represent a symbol l [ open ../samples/$ ( l [readsf~ 2]
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 8:00 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig zmoelnig@iem.atwrote:
On 11/20/2012 07:04 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona wrote:
[readsf~] seems to be what I was looking for! I'm not sure about mp3 layers and names , but when that layer II file is what I get with an mp3 bounce with Logic...
then you probably should report a bug with "f*cking" logic.
fgmasdr IOhannes
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Björn,
AFAIK, some kind person took the time to build readanysf~ on windows. However, I was never able to get the binary package(s) from him or her. I'm guessing packaging it all up to be user-friendly would take some time too.
If anyone has a windows package together, please let me know and I'll include it in the download section of readanysf~.
If not, then I guess it will be a while longer before readanysf~ is readily available for windows. sorry.
-august.
Well, I tried to download and get into my pd install last winter - but I couldnŽt find out how to get it onto these old win machines. Maybe there is something obvious I am doing wrong, or maybe itŽs already included in the latest pd extended. Or maybe just not for win machines.
Someone who knows?
The object seems super nice though. Can really be helpful in a lot of situations.
http://aug.ment.org/readanysf/index.php
/Björn
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com wrote:
Have you guys tried with [readanysf~] ?
Pierre.
2012/11/21 Björn Eriksson miulew@gmail.com
Hello, chiming in on the mp3-file playing topic aswell... I encountered exactly the same problem trying to play a mp3 file a while ago with the object [mp3play~], receiving this error text:
============== error: : no such object Layer II not supported!
EOF: bang
which is maybe not so surprising as we all have heard that mp3 should be the layer III to be played. But how is it possible to change an mp3 that has layer II format into a layer III format? Seems most mp3Žs are in the layer II standard. My try was with this mp3-file (found on UBU.com)
http://ubumexico.centro.org.mx/sound/broodthaers_marcel/Broodthaers-Marcel_I...
I am attaching the help-patch for [mp3play~], which I found in IEMLIB folder.
If there only where ogg vorbis files out there it would be easy to just use [oggread~] which seems to work fine.
I am really curious about the layer II / III mystery. Also I have heard that layer III "are" the mp3 standard, and layer II not. Just donŽt understand the error I am getting. (I am on a win xp machine, but the same happens also on a win 7 machine)
All the best, Björn Eriksson
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Ãscar MartÃnez Carmona < xamps23@gmail.com> wrote:
then you probably should report a bug with "f*cking" logic.
Should I? I mean, the external might work fine with layer III files (in reality mp3 stands for mpeg2 layer 3), the thing is that all the converters I've used are on layer II, so I can't use it!
Anyways, I've solved it with [readsf~] playing an .aif file, but the problem I got now it's related with dinamically changing the file I need to open. I receive the filename throught OSC and it goes to a symbol and it shows me the communication went nice, but apparently it doesn't affect the open message with the dollar sign, why??
[unpack f f s] l l I [amnotlayertri.aif} //this is supposed to represent a symbol l [ open ../samples/$ ( l [readsf~ 2]
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 8:00 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig zmoelnig@iem.atwrote:
On 11/20/2012 07:04 PM, Ãscar MartÃnez Carmona wrote:
[readsf~] seems to be what I was looking for! I'm not sure about mp3 layers and names , but when that layer II file is what I get with an mp3 bounce with Logic...
then you probably should report a bug with "f*cking" logic.
fgmasdr IOhannes
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hello,
I've built readanysf~ dll some time ago, but there is a little bug with mp3 files encoded with lame, I couldn't try out yet with newer gcc version, all the work is archived here:
http://megalego.free.fr/pd/externals/readanysf~-win32-0.42.zip
Colet Patrice
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De: "august" august@alien.mur.at À: "Björn Eriksson" miulew@gmail.com Cc: "Pd - list" pd-list@iem.at Envoyé: Mercredi 21 Novembre 2012 20:08:48 Objet: Re: [PD] mp3 (layerII) or .wav/.aif stereo player!
Björn,
AFAIK, some kind person took the time to build readanysf~ on windows. However, I was never able to get the binary package(s) from him or her. I'm guessing packaging it all up to be user-friendly would take some time too.
If anyone has a windows package together, please let me know and I'll include it in the download section of readanysf~.
If not, then I guess it will be a while longer before readanysf~ is readily available for windows. sorry.
-august.
Well, I tried to download and get into my pd install last winter - but I couldn´t find out how to get it onto these old win machines. Maybe there is something obvious I am doing wrong, or maybe it´s already included in the latest pd extended. Or maybe just not for win machines.
Someone who knows?
The object seems super nice though. Can really be helpful in a lot of situations.
http://aug.ment.org/readanysf/index.php
/Björn
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com wrote:
Have you guys tried with [readanysf~] ?
Pierre.
2012/11/21 Björn Eriksson miulew@gmail.com
Hello, chiming in on the mp3-file playing topic aswell... I encountered exactly the same problem trying to play a mp3 file a while ago with the object [mp3play~], receiving this error text:
============== error: : no such object Layer II not supported!
EOF: bang
which is maybe not so surprising as we all have heard that mp3 should be the layer III to be played. But how is it possible to change an mp3 that has layer II format into a layer III format? Seems most mp3´s are in the layer II standard. My try was with this mp3-file (found on UBU.com)
http://ubumexico.centro.org.mx/sound/broodthaers_marcel/Broodthaers-Marcel_I...
I am attaching the help-patch for [mp3play~], which I found in IEMLIB folder.
If there only where ogg vorbis files out there it would be easy to just use [oggread~] which seems to work fine.
I am really curious about the layer II / III mystery. Also I have heard that layer III "are" the mp3 standard, and layer II not. Just don´t understand the error I am getting. (I am on a win xp machine, but the same happens also on a win 7 machine)
All the best, Björn Eriksson
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona < xamps23@gmail.com> wrote:
then you probably should report a bug with "f*cking" logic.
Should I? I mean, the external might work fine with layer III files (in reality mp3 stands for mpeg2 layer 3), the thing is that all the converters I've used are on layer II, so I can't use it!
Anyways, I've solved it with [readsf~] playing an .aif file, but the problem I got now it's related with dinamically changing the file I need to open. I receive the filename throught OSC and it goes to a symbol and it shows me the communication went nice, but apparently it doesn't affect the open message with the dollar sign, why??
[unpack f f s] l l I [amnotlayertri.aif} //this is supposed to represent a symbol l [ open ../samples/$ ( l [readsf~ 2]
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 8:00 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig zmoelnig@iem.atwrote:
On 11/20/2012 07:04 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona wrote:
> [readsf~] seems to be what I was looking for! > I'm not sure about mp3 layers and names , but when that layer > II file > is > what I get with an mp3 bounce with Logic... >
then you probably should report a bug with "f*cking" logic.
fgmasdr IOhannes
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I recently built up the new Windows XP build server and updated the process based on the new MinGW setup. Its much improved, so a lot easier to get going. I think it would be worth trying again. Here's the doc:
http://puredata.info/docs/developer/WindowsMinGW
.hc
On Nov 21, 2012, at 4:12 PM, Patrice Colet wrote:
hello,
I've built readanysf~ dll some time ago, but there is a little bug with mp3 files encoded with lame, I couldn't try out yet with newer gcc version, all the work is archived here:
http://megalego.free.fr/pd/externals/readanysf~-win32-0.42.zip
Colet Patrice
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De: "august" august@alien.mur.at À: "Björn Eriksson" miulew@gmail.com Cc: "Pd - list" pd-list@iem.at Envoyé: Mercredi 21 Novembre 2012 20:08:48 Objet: Re: [PD] mp3 (layerII) or .wav/.aif stereo player!
Björn,
AFAIK, some kind person took the time to build readanysf~ on windows. However, I was never able to get the binary package(s) from him or her. I'm guessing packaging it all up to be user-friendly would take some time too.
If anyone has a windows package together, please let me know and I'll include it in the download section of readanysf~.
If not, then I guess it will be a while longer before readanysf~ is readily available for windows. sorry.
-august.
Well, I tried to download and get into my pd install last winter - but I couldn´t find out how to get it onto these old win machines. Maybe there is something obvious I am doing wrong, or maybe it´s already included in the latest pd extended. Or maybe just not for win machines.
Someone who knows?
The object seems super nice though. Can really be helpful in a lot of situations.
http://aug.ment.org/readanysf/index.php
/Björn
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com wrote:
Have you guys tried with [readanysf~] ?
Pierre.
2012/11/21 Björn Eriksson miulew@gmail.com
Hello, chiming in on the mp3-file playing topic aswell... I encountered exactly the same problem trying to play a mp3 file a while ago with the object [mp3play~], receiving this error text:
============== error: : no such object Layer II not supported!
EOF: bang
which is maybe not so surprising as we all have heard that mp3 should be the layer III to be played. But how is it possible to change an mp3 that has layer II format into a layer III format? Seems most mp3´s are in the layer II standard. My try was with this mp3-file (found on UBU.com)
http://ubumexico.centro.org.mx/sound/broodthaers_marcel/Broodthaers-Marcel_I...
I am attaching the help-patch for [mp3play~], which I found in IEMLIB folder.
If there only where ogg vorbis files out there it would be easy to just use [oggread~] which seems to work fine.
I am really curious about the layer II / III mystery. Also I have heard that layer III "are" the mp3 standard, and layer II not. Just don´t understand the error I am getting. (I am on a win xp machine, but the same happens also on a win 7 machine)
All the best, Björn Eriksson
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona < xamps23@gmail.com> wrote:
then you probably should report a bug with "f*cking" logic.
Should I? I mean, the external might work fine with layer III files (in reality mp3 stands for mpeg2 layer 3), the thing is that all the converters I've used are on layer II, so I can't use it!
Anyways, I've solved it with [readsf~] playing an .aif file, but the problem I got now it's related with dinamically changing the file I need to open. I receive the filename throught OSC and it goes to a symbol and it shows me the communication went nice, but apparently it doesn't affect the open message with the dollar sign, why??
[unpack f f s] l l I [amnotlayertri.aif} //this is supposed to represent a symbol l [ open ../samples/$ ( l [readsf~ 2]
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On 20/11/12 19:04, Ãscar MartÃnez Carmona wrote:
[readsf~] seems to be what I was looking for! I'm not sure about mp3 layers and names , but when that layer II file is what I get with an mp3 bounce with Logic...
Why should you export to mp* from logic? That sounds rather insane unless you *need* mp*
mp* are lossy compressed, and unless you have a precise 'aesthetic' reason to having mpeg-degraded audio quality simply export to a lossless format.
That said there are probably thousands of converters out there from-to mp* to anything, google is your friend there.
Lorenzo.
Thank you both!
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, chris clepper <cgclepper@gmail.com mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com> wrote:
A MPEG-1 LAyer II file is MP2 not MP3. You will need to find a player/converter for that. Maybe VLC? There are multiple ways to play .wav files with Pd - check the example patches included with it. On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Ãscar MartÃnez Carmona <xamps23@gmail.com <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi List! I'm trying to play an mp3 layerII file with [mp3play~] ans it does only support layer III files. While I'm looking for the appropiate converter (fail at that by now) I was wondering if there was another external able to play layer II files (the most common type, not?). Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that? Thanx! -- Ãscar MartÃnez Carmona _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list-- Ãscar MartÃnez Carmona
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I think one of the reason one might have to be able to play mp3´s or ogg´s from inside a pd-patch can be that you´re working with some interactivity, thematic project for instance where one is sniffing the web for sounds.
I regard mp3´s as usual as for instance jpg´s are on the web, speaking of some image analogy of compressed formats. I don´t like the licencing of mp3 though and would prefer ogg to be the main standard.
Sometimes there aren´t time enough to do conversions on the fly to uncompressed formats before importing files onto pd.
I can with other words imaging a number of situations which could call for a a playability of mp3 and oggs.
Soundwise we all know wave and aiff sounds better, but I am a bit surprised this seems to be a so complicated and sensitive issue about having pd play a compressed sound file with some ease. Maybe this has been discussed over the years over and over,so forgive me if this already stated somewhere about these things.
/Björn Eriksson
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Lorenzo Sutton lorenzofsutton@gmail.comwrote:
On 20/11/12 19:04, Òscar Martínez Carmona wrote:
[readsf~] seems to be what I was looking for! I'm not sure about mp3 layers and names , but when that layer II file is what I get with an mp3 bounce with Logic...
Why should you export to mp* from logic? That sounds rather insane unless you *need* mp*
mp* are lossy compressed, and unless you have a precise 'aesthetic' reason to having mpeg-degraded audio quality simply export to a lossless format.
That said there are probably thousands of converters out there from-to mp* to anything, google is your friend there.
Lorenzo.
Thank you both!
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, chris clepper <cgclepper@gmail.commailto: cgclepper@gmail.com> wrote:
A MPEG-1 LAyer II file is MP2 not MP3. You will need to find a player/converter for that. Maybe VLC? There are multiple ways to play .wav files with Pd - check the example patches included with it. On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona <xamps23@gmail.com <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi List! I'm trying to play an mp3 layerII file with [mp3play~] ans it does only support layer III files. While I'm looking for the appropiate converter (fail at that by now) I was wondering if there was another external able to play layer II files (the most common type, not?). Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that? Thanx! -- Òscar Martínez Carmona ______________________________**_________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/**listinfo/pd-list<http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list>-- Òscar Martínez Carmona
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Soundwise we all know wave and aiff sounds better, but I am a bit surprised this seems to be a so complicated and sensitive issue about having pd play a compressed sound file with some ease. Maybe this has been discussed over the years over and over,so forgive me if this already stated somewhere about these things.
There are plenty of compressed formats so it implies a lot of different libraries, and fortunately almost all is handled by gmerlin and then [readanysf~] external, at the same time this external couldn't seek lossless formats like wav or flac...
I remember once a discussion about this topic where I proposed a solution using command lines for the converting process, this is rather fast following the computer it's working on.
On 23/11/12 11:21, Björn Eriksson wrote:
I think one of the reason one might have to be able to play mp3Žs or oggŽs from inside a pd-patch can be that youŽre working with some interactivity, thematic project for instance where one is sniffing the web for sounds.
I regard mp3Žs as usual as for instance jpgŽs are on the web, speaking of some image analogy of compressed formats. I donŽt like the licencing of mp3 though and would prefer ogg to be the main standard.
Sometimes there arenŽt time enough to do conversions on the fly to uncompressed formats before importing files onto pd.
I can with other words imaging a number of situations which could call for a a playability of mp3 and oggs.
Obviously, there are cases where mp3 can be an option, but OP mentioned exporting from logic. Of course withot further background it's hard to tell, and there are many cases.
Soundwise we all know wave and aiff sounds better, but I am a bit surprised this seems to be a so complicated and sensitive issue about having pd play a compressed sound file with some ease. Maybe this has been discussed over the years over and over,so forgive me if this already stated somewhere about these things.
It's not *that* coplicated really, and many options have been suggested, guess the 'sensitive' thing is that OP ended his original message with:
"Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that?"
Which is not probably not the best way to find concrete advice on a list :)
Lorenzo.
/Björn Eriksson
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Lorenzo Sutton <lorenzofsutton@gmail.com mailto:lorenzofsutton@gmail.com> wrote:
On 20/11/12 19:04, Ãscar MartÃnez Carmona wrote: [readsf~] seems to be what I was looking for! I'm not sure about mp3 layers and names , but when that layer II file is what I get with an mp3 bounce with Logic... Why should you export to mp* from logic? That sounds rather insane unless you *need* mp* mp* are lossy compressed, and unless you have a precise 'aesthetic' reason to having mpeg-degraded audio quality simply export to a lossless format. That said there are probably thousands of converters out there from-to mp* to anything, google is your friend there. Lorenzo. Thank you both! On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, chris clepper <cgclepper@gmail.com <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com> <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com>>> wrote: A MPEG-1 LAyer II file is MP2 not MP3. You will need to find a player/converter for that. Maybe VLC? There are multiple ways to play .wav files with Pd - check the example patches included with it. On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Ãscar MartÃnez Carmona <xamps23@gmail.com <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com> <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com>>> wrote: Hi List! I'm trying to play an mp3 layerII file with [mp3play~] ans it does only support layer III files. While I'm looking for the appropiate converter (fail at that by now) I was wondering if there was another external able to play layer II files (the most common type, not?). Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that? Thanx! -- Ãscar MartÃnez Carmona _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at>> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Ãscar MartÃnez Carmona _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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It's not *that* coplicated really, and many options have been suggested, guess the 'sensitive' thing is that OP ended his original message with:
"Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that?"
Which is not probably not the best way to find concrete advice on a list :)
I agree! By the way, that was my first post to the list, the whole thread has been interesting thought!
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Lorenzo Sutton lorenzofsutton@gmail.comwrote:
On 23/11/12 11:21, Björn Eriksson wrote:
I think one of the reason one might have to be able to play mp3´s or ogg´s from inside a pd-patch can be that you´re working with some interactivity, thematic project for instance where one is sniffing the web for sounds.
I regard mp3´s as usual as for instance jpg´s are on the web, speaking of some image analogy of compressed formats. I don´t like the licencing of mp3 though and would prefer ogg to be the main standard.
Sometimes there aren´t time enough to do conversions on the fly to uncompressed formats before importing files onto pd.
I can with other words imaging a number of situations which could call for a a playability of mp3 and oggs.
Obviously, there are cases where mp3 can be an option, but OP mentioned exporting from logic. Of course withot further background it's hard to tell, and there are many cases.
Soundwise we all know wave and aiff sounds better, but I am a bit surprised this seems to be a so complicated and sensitive issue about having pd play a compressed sound file with some ease. Maybe this has been discussed over the years over and over,so forgive me if this already stated somewhere about these things.
It's not *that* coplicated really, and many options have been suggested, guess the 'sensitive' thing is that OP ended his original message with:
"Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that?"
Which is not probably not the best way to find concrete advice on a list :)
Lorenzo.
/Björn Eriksson
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Lorenzo Sutton < lorenzofsutton@gmail.com <mailto:lorenzofsutton@gmail.**comlorenzofsutton@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 20/11/12 19:04, Òscar Martínez Carmona wrote: [readsf~] seems to be what I was looking for! I'm not sure about mp3 layers and names , but when that layer II file is what I get with an mp3 bounce with Logic... Why should you export to mp* from logic? That sounds rather insane unless you *need* mp* mp* are lossy compressed, and unless you have a precise 'aesthetic' reason to having mpeg-degraded audio quality simply export to a lossless format. That said there are probably thousands of converters out there from-to mp* to anything, google is your friend there. Lorenzo. Thank you both! On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, chris clepper <cgclepper@gmail.com <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com> <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com>>> wrote: A MPEG-1 LAyer II file is MP2 not MP3. You will need to find a player/converter for that. Maybe VLC? There are multiple ways to play .wav files with Pd - check the example patches included with it. On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona <xamps23@gmail.com <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com> <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com>>> wrote: Hi List! I'm trying to play an mp3 layerII file with [mp3play~] ans it does only support layer III files. While I'm looking for the appropiate converter (fail at that by now) I was wondering if there was another external able to play layer II files (the most common type, not?). Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that? Thanx! -- Òscar Martínez Carmona ______________________________**_________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at>> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/**listinfo/pd-list<http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list> -- Òscar Martínez Carmona ______________________________**_________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/**listinfo/pd-list<http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list> ______________________________**_________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/**listinfo/pd-list<http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list>______________________________**_________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/** listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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/Björn
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona xamps23@gmail.comwrote:
It's not *that* coplicated really, and many options have been suggested, guess the 'sensitive' thing is that OP ended his original message with:
"Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that?"
Which is not probably not the best way to find concrete advice on a list :)
I agree! By the way, that was my first post to the list, the whole thread has been interesting thought!
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Lorenzo Sutton lorenzofsutton@gmail.comwrote:
On 23/11/12 11:21, Björn Eriksson wrote:
I think one of the reason one might have to be able to play mp3´s or ogg´s from inside a pd-patch can be that you´re working with some interactivity, thematic project for instance where one is sniffing the web for sounds.
I regard mp3´s as usual as for instance jpg´s are on the web, speaking of some image analogy of compressed formats. I don´t like the licencing of mp3 though and would prefer ogg to be the main standard.
Sometimes there aren´t time enough to do conversions on the fly to uncompressed formats before importing files onto pd.
I can with other words imaging a number of situations which could call for a a playability of mp3 and oggs.
Obviously, there are cases where mp3 can be an option, but OP mentioned exporting from logic. Of course withot further background it's hard to tell, and there are many cases.
Soundwise we all know wave and aiff sounds better, but I am a bit surprised this seems to be a so complicated and sensitive issue about having pd play a compressed sound file with some ease. Maybe this has been discussed over the years over and over,so forgive me if this already stated somewhere about these things.
It's not *that* coplicated really, and many options have been suggested, guess the 'sensitive' thing is that OP ended his original message with:
"Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that?"
Which is not probably not the best way to find concrete advice on a list :)
Lorenzo.
/Björn Eriksson
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Lorenzo Sutton < lorenzofsutton@gmail.com <mailto:lorenzofsutton@gmail.**comlorenzofsutton@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 20/11/12 19:04, Òscar Martínez Carmona wrote: [readsf~] seems to be what I was looking for! I'm not sure about mp3 layers and names , but when that layer II file is what I get with an mp3 bounce with Logic... Why should you export to mp* from logic? That sounds rather insane unless you *need* mp* mp* are lossy compressed, and unless you have a precise 'aesthetic' reason to having mpeg-degraded audio quality simply export to a lossless format. That said there are probably thousands of converters out there from-to mp* to anything, google is your friend there. Lorenzo. Thank you both! On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, chris clepper <cgclepper@gmail.com <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com> <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com>>>wrote:
A MPEG-1 LAyer II file is MP2 not MP3. You will need to find a player/converter for that. Maybe VLC? There are multiple ways to play .wav files with Pd - checkthe example patches included with it.
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona <xamps23@gmail.com <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com> <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com>>> wrote: Hi List! I'm trying to play an mp3 layerII file with [mp3play~] ans it does only support layer III files. While I'm looking for the appropiate converter (fail at that by now) I was wondering if there was another external able to play layer II files (the most common type, not?). Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that? Thanx! -- Òscar Martínez Carmona ______________________________**_________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at>> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/**listinfo/pd-list<http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list> -- Òscar Martínez Carmona ______________________________**_________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/**listinfo/pd-list<http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list> ______________________________**_________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/**listinfo/pd-list<http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list>______________________________**_________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/** listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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On 25/11/12 01:33, Björn Eriksson wrote:
If youŽre having an extremely boring saturday evening/night or sunday morning you can watch this video directly from Fraunhofer institute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdRdTQVBxi4&blend=5&lr=1&ob=5
Instructive, as it tells us that:
- mp3 is the playmobil of audio (btw always loved lego much more than
playmobyl because it's much more modular and thus somewhat more open)
- quantity is much more important than quality these days
- Earth will explode due to a massive attack by an uncontrolled number
of mutant, mutiny lossy audio files!
/Björn
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Ãscar MartÃnez Carmona <xamps23@gmail.com mailto:xamps23@gmail.com> wrote:
It's not *that* coplicated really, and many options have been suggested, guess the 'sensitive' thing is that OP ended his original message with: "Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that?" Which is not probably not the best way to find concrete advice on a list :) I agree! By the way, that was my first post to the list, the whole thread has been interesting thought! On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Lorenzo Sutton <lorenzofsutton@gmail.com <mailto:lorenzofsutton@gmail.com>> wrote: On 23/11/12 11:21, Björn Eriksson wrote: I think one of the reason one might have to be able to play mp3Žs or oggŽs from inside a pd-patch can be that youŽre working with some interactivity, thematic project for instance where one is sniffing the web for sounds. I regard mp3Žs as usual as for instance jpgŽs are on the web, speaking of some image analogy of compressed formats. I donŽt like the licencing of mp3 though and would prefer ogg to be the main standard. Sometimes there arenŽt time enough to do conversions on the fly to uncompressed formats before importing files onto pd. I can with other words imaging a number of situations which could call for a a playability of mp3 and oggs. Obviously, there are cases where mp3 can be an option, but OP mentioned exporting from logic. Of course withot further background it's hard to tell, and there are many cases. Soundwise we all know wave and aiff sounds better, but I am a bit surprised this seems to be a so complicated and sensitive issue about having pd play a compressed sound file with some ease. Maybe this has been discussed over the years over and over,so forgive me if this already stated somewhere about these things. It's not *that* coplicated really, and many options have been suggested, guess the 'sensitive' thing is that OP ended his original message with: "Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that?" Which is not probably not the best way to find concrete advice on a list :) Lorenzo. /Björn Eriksson On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Lorenzo Sutton <lorenzofsutton@gmail.com <mailto:lorenzofsutton@gmail.com> <mailto:lorenzofsutton@gmail.__com <mailto:lorenzofsutton@gmail.com>>> wrote: On 20/11/12 19:04, Ãscar MartÃnez Carmona wrote: [readsf~] seems to be what I was looking for! I'm not sure about mp3 layers and names , but when that layer II file is what I get with an mp3 bounce with Logic... Why should you export to mp* from logic? That sounds rather insane unless you *need* mp* mp* are lossy compressed, and unless you have a precise 'aesthetic' reason to having mpeg-degraded audio quality simply export to a lossless format. That said there are probably thousands of converters out there from-to mp* to anything, google is your friend there. Lorenzo. Thank you both! On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, chris clepper <cgclepper@gmail.com <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com> <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com>> <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com> <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com>>>> wrote: A MPEG-1 LAyer II file is MP2 not MP3. You will need to find a player/converter for that. Maybe VLC? There are multiple ways to play .wav files with Pd - check the example patches included with it. On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Ãscar MartÃnez Carmona <xamps23@gmail.com <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com> <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com>> <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com> <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com>>>> wrote: Hi List! I'm trying to play an mp3 layerII file with [mp3play~] ans it does only support layer III files. While I'm looking for the appropiate converter (fail at that by now) I was wondering if there was another external able to play layer II files (the most common type, not?). Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that? 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- Earth will explode due to a massive attack by an uncontrolled number of mutant, mutiny lossy audio files!
Well, not much to fear as they will be lossy-ing!!
Enviat des del meu iPhone
El 25/11/2012, a les 21:31, Lorenzo Sutton lorenzofsutton@gmail.com va escriure:
On 25/11/12 01:33, Björn Eriksson wrote:
If you´re having an extremely boring saturday evening/night or sunday morning you can watch this video directly from Fraunhofer institute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdRdTQVBxi4&blend=5&lr=1&ob=5
Instructive, as it tells us that:
- mp3 is the playmobil of audio (btw always loved lego much more than playmobyl because it's much more modular and thus somewhat more open)
- quantity is much more important than quality these days
- Earth will explode due to a massive attack by an uncontrolled number of mutant, mutiny lossy audio files!
/Björn
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona <xamps23@gmail.com mailto:xamps23@gmail.com> wrote:
It's not *that* coplicated really, and many options have been suggested, guess the 'sensitive' thing is that OP ended his original message with:
"Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that?"
Which is not probably not the best way to find concrete advice on a list :)
I agree! By the way, that was my first post to the list, the whole thread has been interesting thought!
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Lorenzo Sutton <lorenzofsutton@gmail.com mailto:lorenzofsutton@gmail.com> wrote:
On 23/11/12 11:21, Björn Eriksson wrote: I think one of the reason one might have to be able to play mp3´s or ogg´s from inside a pd-patch can be that you´re working with some interactivity, thematic project for instance where one is sniffing the web for sounds. I regard mp3´s as usual as for instance jpg´s are on the web, speaking of some image analogy of compressed formats. I don´t like the licencing of mp3 though and would prefer ogg to be the main standard. Sometimes there aren´t time enough to do conversions on the fly to uncompressed formats before importing files onto pd. I can with other words imaging a number of situations which could call for a a playability of mp3 and oggs. Obviously, there are cases where mp3 can be an option, but OP mentioned exporting from logic. Of course withot further background it's hard to tell, and there are many cases. Soundwise we all know wave and aiff sounds better, but I am a bit surprised this seems to be a so complicated and sensitive issue about having pd play a compressed sound file with some ease. Maybe this has been discussed over the years over and over,so forgive me if this already stated somewhere about these things. It's not *that* coplicated really, and many options have been suggested, guess the 'sensitive' thing is that OP ended his original message with: "Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that?" Which is not probably not the best way to find concrete advice on a list :) Lorenzo. /Björn Eriksson On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Lorenzo Sutton <lorenzofsutton@gmail.com <mailto:lorenzofsutton@gmail.com> <mailto:lorenzofsutton@gmail.__com <mailto:lorenzofsutton@gmail.com>>> wrote: On 20/11/12 19:04, Òscar Martínez Carmona wrote: [readsf~] seems to be what I was looking for! I'm not sure about mp3 layers and names , but when that layer II file is what I get with an mp3 bounce with Logic... Why should you export to mp* from logic? That sounds rather insane unless you *need* mp* mp* are lossy compressed, and unless you have a precise 'aesthetic' reason to having mpeg-degraded audio quality simply export to a lossless format. That said there are probably thousands of converters out there from-to mp* to anything, google is your friend there. Lorenzo. Thank you both! On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, chris clepper <cgclepper@gmail.com <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com> <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com>> <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com> <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com <mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com>>>> wrote: A MPEG-1 LAyer II file is MP2 not MP3. You will need to find a player/converter for that. Maybe VLC? There are multiple ways to play .wav files with Pd - check the example patches included with it. On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona <xamps23@gmail.com <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com> <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com>> <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com> <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com <mailto:xamps23@gmail.com>>>> wrote: Hi List! I'm trying to play an mp3 layerII file with [mp3play~] ans it does only support layer III files. While I'm looking for the appropiate converter (fail at that by now) I was wondering if there was another external able to play layer II files (the most common type, not?). Anyways I'll be happy too if I can play an not compressed audio file like an .aiff or .wav but in stereo? how the f*ck I do that? Thanx! -- Òscar Martínez Carmona _________________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at>> <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at>>> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/__listinfo/pd-list <http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list> -- Òscar Martínez Carmona _________________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at>> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/__listinfo/pd-list <http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list> _________________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at>> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/__listinfo/pd-list <http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list> _________________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/__listinfo/pd-list <http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list> _________________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/__listinfo/pd-list <http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list>-- Òscar Martínez Carmona
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From: Björn Eriksson miulew@gmail.com To: Pd - list pd-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [PD] mp3 (layerII) or .wav/.aif stereo player!
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Soundwise we all know wave and aiff sounds better, but I am a bit surprised this seems to be a so complicated and sensitive issue about having pd play a compressed sound file with some ease. Maybe this has been discussed over the years over and over,so forgive me if this already stated somewhere about these things.
Sound quality has absolutely nothing to do with it. If there was a piano that sounded and played like a Steinway 9-foot grand but was 1/5 the price, would you really take a Steinway salesman seriously if he countered that the highest octave sounds slightly different when you put your ear directly above the strings?[1] Curious about [readanysf~] and gmerlin-- I thought you had to pay royalties to do mp3 encoding/decoding. Am I wrong on that?
Hans-- if [readanysf~] could compile on Windows would it be possible to include it in Pd-Extended? Or are there patent issues that keep it from being included? (If so, how does gmerlin get around them?)
-Jonathan
[1] Analogy is good for any use of Pd that merely plays back a soundfile and/or attenuates the signal, for which there are many, especially for newcomers (random shuffle, alarm clock, build your own Furby with Raspberry Pi, etc.)
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