is it possible to improve the archive of pd-list ?
currently if a discussion spreads on a few monthes , you can't follow it.
and it would be easier to have a common interface to use all the informations that "sleep" inside.(sorting by type of content (such as gem, control, audio for instance)
i feel it would be useful. to complement the documentation since many discussions are in there
make it a forum ?
just thinking loud .
pierre-yves
do you know you have different ways of accessing the archive? http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-list@iem.at/ http://markmail.org/browse/at.iem.pd-list n
Le 23/01/14 14:00, Py Fave a écrit :
is it possible to improve the archive of pd-list ?
currently if a discussion spreads on a few monthes , you can't follow it.
and it would be easier to have a common interface to use all the informations that "sleep" inside.(sorting by type of content (such as gem, control, audio for instance)
i feel it would be useful. to complement the documentation since many discussions are in there
make it a forum ?
just thinking loud .
pierre-yves
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On 2014-01-23 14:00, Py Fave wrote:
is it possible to improve the archive of pd-list ?
sure. how?
currently if a discussion spreads on a few monthes , you can't follow it.
and it would be easier to have a common interface to use all the informations that "sleep" inside.(sorting by type of content (such as gem, control, audio for instance)
i feel it would be useful. to complement the documentation since many discussions are in there
definitely. i haven't found any list archiving software yet, that really fits our needs (and which integrates nicely with mailman).
but i'm very open for suggestions (esp. if they point towards an implementation).
in the meantime you can use one of the 3rd party archives
http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-list@iem.at/ http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general
make it a forum ?
that would require a bidirectional setup, which is not so trivial. mailman has an interface to newsgroups, but
- i've never used it
- someone has to run a news-server
- do you think newsgroups are an appropriate medium these days?
ah, and gmane provides a newsgroup gateway anyhow...
fgasr IOhannes
thanks, http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general fits for me !
2014/1/23 IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at
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On 2014-01-23 14:00, Py Fave wrote:
is it possible to improve the archive of pd-list ?
sure. how?
currently if a discussion spreads on a few monthes , you can't follow it.
and it would be easier to have a common interface to use all the informations that "sleep" inside.(sorting by type of content (such as gem, control, audio for instance)
i feel it would be useful. to complement the documentation since many discussions are in there
definitely. i haven't found any list archiving software yet, that really fits our needs (and which integrates nicely with mailman).
but i'm very open for suggestions (esp. if they point towards an implementation).
in the meantime you can use one of the 3rd party archives
http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-list@iem.at/ http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general
make it a forum ?
that would require a bidirectional setup, which is not so trivial. mailman has an interface to newsgroups, but
- i've never used it
- someone has to run a news-server
- do you think newsgroups are an appropriate medium these days?
ah, and gmane provides a newsgroup gateway anyhow...
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Hi,
IOhannes m zmoelnig schrieb am 23.01.2014 14:26:
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On 2014-01-23 14:00, Py Fave wrote:
is it possible to improve the archive of pd-list ?
sure. how?
make it a forum ?
that would require a bidirectional setup, which is not so trivial. mailman has an interface to newsgroups, but
- i've never used it
- someone has to run a news-server
- do you think newsgroups are an appropriate medium these days?
as a member of the German Pirate Party, I know for sure, that such a thing exists and in fact is used by lots of members.
According the (obsolete) documentation, the mailing lists use Mailman as well, so if you want, I can ask the admin team for up-to-date information: https://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Syncom/Technik
Hth, Thomas
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On 2014-01-23 15:42, Thomas Mayer wrote:
Hi,
IOhannes m zmoelnig schrieb am 23.01.2014 14:26:
- do you think newsgroups are an appropriate medium these
days?
as a member of the German Pirate Party, I know for sure, that such a thing exists and in fact is used by lots of members.
this doesn't count. pirates and other (((schemeing))) hackers are excluded from polls about an "appropriate medium these days" ;-)
but thanks for the links.
fgamsdr IOhannes
PS: and there is always news://news.gmane.org:119/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general
Just want to point out that there also IS a pd forum:
On 23.01.2014 16:21, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2014-01-23 15:42, Thomas Mayer wrote:
Hi,
IOhannes m zmoelnig schrieb am 23.01.2014 14:26:
- do you think newsgroups are an appropriate medium these
days?
as a member of the German Pirate Party, I know for sure, that such a thing exists and in fact is used by lots of members.
this doesn't count. pirates and other (((schemeing))) hackers are excluded from polls about an "appropriate medium these days" ;-)
My remark was about syncing between mailing lists, NNTP servers and web fora, but I maybe a little awkwardly placed.
And to answer that question: yes, I am still reading some newsgroups with my NNTP client.
Thomas
"Prisons are needed only to provide the illusion that courts and police are effective. They're a kind of job insurance." (Leto II. in: Frank Herbert, God Emperor of Dune) http://www.residuum.org/
Hi,
IOhannes m zmoelnig schrieb am 23.01.2014 14:26:
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On 2014-01-23 14:00, Py Fave wrote:
is it possible to improve the archive of pd-list ?
make it a forum ?
that would require a bidirectional setup, which is not so trivial. mailman has an interface to newsgroups, but
- i've never used it
- someone has to run a news-server
- do you think newsgroups are an appropriate medium these days?
Addendum: The setup requires a NNTP-Server, see the Readme:
https://github.com/annando/Syncom
Hth, Thomas
You can also download the entire archive linked in the top-left corner. http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/
It's in a format called "mbox" that predates various forces attempting to remake the internet in the style of cable-tv (who btw are succeeding, at least in the U.S.).
The archive gives you the "content" you're after, and you decide how you want to present it. (Yet another dream of the early web pioneers that's dying a slow death.) You can import that "mbox" file into _any_ email application and it will make sense of it because it's an international standard format for email.
There are tutorials for doing this with Thunderbird-- essentially just putting the mbox file in the correct directory and opening the application. Then it will appear and you can browse/search/reorg all those Pd list messages like any other email message. Finally, make a filter to put new incoming Pd-list messages there and you're done. Thunderbird may suggest archiving the thing because it slows down searching, but a slow local search is still faster than the average search on Gmane.
You can also download any Thunderbird plugin to display the messages in a newsgroup style, with threading, and all kinds of other options that essentially let you present the messages however it suits you.
Unfortunately, this means the Pd-list server has to take a hit while you download the archive. It'd be nice if the Bittorrent protocol had been expanded in the past decade to handle files that grow over time. But again, there is a very real battle against all technology and infrastructure that distributes content at zero cost. So this is the next best thing.
-Jonathan
On Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:03 AM, Py Fave pyfave@gmail.com wrote:
is it possible to improve the archive of pd-list ?
currently if a discussion spreads on a few monthes , you can't follow it.
and it would be easier to have a common interface to use all the informations that "sleep" inside.(sorting by type of content (such as gem, control, audio for instance)
i feel it would be useful. to complement the documentation since many discussions are in there
make it a forum ?
just thinking loud .
pierre-yves
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