Hey
I didn't know you could GOP data structures. This opens up a new world. Where is an up to date tutorial on using data structures?
I'm about to install PD 0.43. I have a test4 version installed as well as pdx 0.42.5 and vanilla 0.42.5. I have a couple of libraries loaded with vanilla - GEM and GGE. How will the new version efect these installations?
Also on LINUX I have with UBUNTU studio 10.10 pd 0.42.5 with all the exts available and then on puredyne I think my vanilla installation is messed up because I had to edit the config files to get pdL2ORK to run. Should be fine if I just replace the config files with the originals.
Where is some god documentation on installing multiple versions of PD. What should I look out for when using so many different installations.
--- On Mon, 4/4/11, Billy Stiltner billy.stiltner@gmail.com wrote:
From: Billy Stiltner billy.stiltner@gmail.com Subject: [PD] Data Structures GOP and installing latest PD To: "pd-list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Monday, April 4, 2011, 9:37 PM Hey
I didn't know you could GOP data structures. This opens up a new world. Where is an up to date tutorial on using data structures?
I don't know of an up-to-date tutorial, but there is a tutorial in doc/4.data.structures. Some parts are out of date:
- data is, in fact, persistent when using scalars. Data is saved along
with the patch. (Similar to using a "Put" menu array and checking the box for "save contents", except that with scalars they always save with the patch.)
- the term "template" is used both to describe the subpatch in which the
data structure ([struct] + any drawing instructions) is defined as well as the [struct] object itself. (I think [struct] used to be named [template]...)
- some of the mouse-driven messages (e.g., "click") didn't exist when
those tutorials were written. For an up-to-date list see struct-help.pd in:
http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/trunk/doc/pddp/
(all the data structure related objects like [plot], [element], etc. have updated documentation if you use the pddp docs from the link above.)
-Jonathan
I'm about to install PD 0.43. I have a test4 version installed as well as pdx 0.42.5 and vanilla 0.42.5. I have a couple of libraries loaded with vanilla - GEM and GGE. How will the new version efect these installations?
Also on LINUX I have with UBUNTU studio 10.10 pd 0.42.5 with all the exts available and then on puredyne I think my vanilla installation is messed up because I had to edit the config files to get pdL2ORK to run. Should be fine if I just replace the config files with the originals.
Where is some god documentation on installing multiple versions of PD. What should I look out for when using so many different installations.
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I didn't know you could GOP data structures. This opens up a new world. Where is an up to date tutorial on using data structures?
you can use gop with any graphical object. you can see some objects of my
"library", jmmmp at pd-extended/extra - like [sliders], [swatch] or
specially [bezier]. there are some bugs, like in [bezier] if one of the
control points gets out of the gop area, the data strucutres stop
responding to the graphic input; but they still keep working.
one other thing is the scaling, usually the data-s takes the whole canvas
of the gop patch, but appears correctly. also, since data structures can't
be saved using $0-variables, if you want a dynamic, multi-use patch, you
might need to do some trickery, like generating the scalars with loadbang.
etc. etc... maybe people will start using them now and then more often, if
they see how useful they can be.
João Pais
João and Jonathon,
Thanks for the information.
If you set the canvas size to 1,1 the subpatch shows up about the same size as the default array canvas size. I done some experimenting with setting gop with pd-pdsubpatch and not donecanvasdialog but the other message with fewer arguments. Couldn't you just send the canvas a message to tell it whether it is a text atom or a graph? I looked through the code for quite a while but could not find how this could be done.
I read somewhere that even if gui elements are not drawn in a subpatch they take use a lot of cpu. Is this true? How much processing goes on for gui elements when not visible?
If you set the canvas size to 1,1 the subpatch shows up about the same size as the default array canvas size. I done some experimenting with
ah yes, that makes sense. since I only use the structures in the gop, I
never cared about searching it better.
setting gop with pd-pdsubpatch and not donecanvasdialog but the other message with fewer arguments. Couldn't you just send the canvas a message to tell it whether it is a text atom or a graph? I looked through the code for quite a while but could not find how this could be done.
I don't speak C, so can't really say anything. but I would say, you can't.
and anyway, doesn't matter which object it is, it gets the same treatment
I read somewhere that even if gui elements are not drawn in a subpatch they take use a lot of cpu. Is this true? How much processing goes on for gui elements when not
visible?
I don't have any hard data to back this up, but I think not, only
displayed elements count to cpu (maybe hidden ones count a bit?). my only
way to be sure would be to make a stress test. but maybe someone else can
say more about tcl/tk.
João
João,,
The other message that does gop is coords. I do not know the complete message but this works
[toggle] | [coords 600 600 700 700 1 1 $1( | [s pd-pd-arrayz]
[pd pd-arrayz]
clicking toggle displays or hides [pd pd-arrayz]
your canvas and hradio on dsp is genious. I could not find bezier or swatch. I will have to update my pd. I did see the sliders it is pretty cool. thanks
The other message that does gop is coords. I do not know the complete message but this works
[toggle] | [coords 600 600 700 700 1 1 $1( | [s pd-pd-arrayz]
ah, nice. I always depend on someone's documentation to know these things.
[pd pd-arrayz]
clicking toggle displays or hides [pd pd-arrayz]
your canvas and hradio on dsp is genious. I could not find bezier or swatch. I will have to update my pd. I did see the sliders it is pretty cool. thanks
or, my newest patches aren't still in the latest pd version. here is a
package with my updated library, just overwrite the one you have there.
João
The other message that does gop is coords. I do not know the complete message but this works
[toggle] | [coords 600 600 700 700 1 1 $1( | [s pd-pd-arrayz]
[pd pd-arrayz]
clicking toggle displays or hides [pd pd-arrayz]
I just tried around, and it looks like it does the same as
donecanvasdialog, except the first 2 parameters, x+y canvas size. what you
have as $1 also accept 2, which is the setting for GOP on+"hide object
name and arguments" (quite useful). after that you can add 2 more numbers,
for the x and y margins.
Don't change the settings much while the subpatch is opened, or tcl/tk
will stop responding that well (but it doesn't crash pd).
João
--- On Tue, 4/5/11, João Pais jmmmpais@googlemail.com wrote:
From: João Pais jmmmpais@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Data Structures GOP and installing latest PD To: "Billy Stiltner" billy.stiltner@gmail.com Cc: "pd-list" pd-list@iem.at, "Jonathan Wilkes" jancsika@yahoo.com Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 6:22 PM
The other message that does gop
is coords.
I do not know the complete message but this works
[toggle] | [coords 600 600 700 700 1 1 $1( | [s pd-pd-arrayz]
[pd pd-arrayz]
clicking toggle displays or hides [pd pd-arrayz]
I just tried around, and it looks like it does the same as donecanvasdialog, except the first 2 parameters, x+y canvas size. what you have as $1 also accept 2, which is the setting for GOP on+"hide object name and arguments" (quite useful). after that you can add 2 more numbers, for the x and y margins.
Don't change the settings much while the subpatch is opened, or tcl/tk will stop responding that well (but it doesn't crash pd).
Not sure if it was mentioned, but I think "donecanvasdialog" sets the dirty flag and "coords" does not (if it matters to you).
-Jonathan
João
João Thanks for the zip. The abstractions are nice. I wonder if there is a way to keep from moving the control points out of bounds on the bezier. With a slider or numberbox it is easy just store a limit in an f and when the slider value changes check to see if it is beyond limit then do a delayed message to the slider to set the value to limit. You could even put a message to canvas label "beyond the outer limit" haha!.
On 4/5/11, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
--- On Tue, 4/5/11, João Pais jmmmpais@googlemail.com wrote:
From: João Pais jmmmpais@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Data Structures GOP and installing latest PD To: "Billy Stiltner" billy.stiltner@gmail.com Cc: "pd-list" pd-list@iem.at, "Jonathan Wilkes" jancsika@yahoo.com Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 6:22 PM
The other message that does gop
is coords.
I do not know the complete message but this works
[toggle] | [coords 600 600 700 700 1 1 $1( | [s pd-pd-arrayz]
[pd pd-arrayz]
clicking toggle displays or hides [pd pd-arrayz]
I just tried around, and it looks like it does the same as donecanvasdialog, except the first 2 parameters, x+y canvas size. what you have as $1 also accept 2, which is the setting for GOP on+"hide object name and arguments" (quite useful). after that you can add 2 more numbers, for the x and y margins.
Don't change the settings much while the subpatch is opened, or tcl/tk will stop responding that well (but it doesn't crash pd).
Not sure if it was mentioned, but I think "donecanvasdialog" sets the dirty flag and "coords" does not (if it matters to you).
-Jonathan
João
--- On Tue, 4/5/11, Billy Stiltner billy.stiltner@gmail.com wrote:
From: Billy Stiltner billy.stiltner@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Data Structures GOP and installing latest PD To: "Jonathan Wilkes" jancsika@yahoo.com Cc: "João Pais" jmmmpais@googlemail.com, "pd-list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 8:36 PM João Thanks for the zip. The abstractions are nice. I wonder if there is a way to keep from moving the control points out of bounds on the bezier. With a slider or numberbox it is easy just store a limit in an f and when the slider value changes check to see if it is beyond limit then do a delayed message to the slider to set the value to limit.
You can do that with data structures, too.
You could even put a message to canvas label "beyond the outer limit" haha!.
On 4/5/11, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
--- On Tue, 4/5/11, João Pais jmmmpais@googlemail.com
wrote:
From: João Pais jmmmpais@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Data Structures GOP and
installing latest PD
To: "Billy Stiltner" billy.stiltner@gmail.com Cc: "pd-list" pd-list@iem.at,
"Jonathan Wilkes" jancsika@yahoo.com
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 6:22 PM
The other message that does gop
is coords.
I do not know the complete message but this
works
[toggle] | [coords 600 600 700 700 1 1 $1( | [s pd-pd-arrayz]
[pd pd-arrayz]
clicking toggle displays or hides [pd
pd-arrayz]
I just tried around, and it looks like it does the
same as
donecanvasdialog, except the first 2 parameters,
x+y canvas
size. what you have as $1 also accept 2, which is
the
setting for GOP on+"hide object name and
arguments" (quite
useful). after that you can add 2 more numbers,
for the x
and y margins.
Don't change the settings much while the subpatch
is
opened, or tcl/tk will stop responding that well
(but it
doesn't crash pd).
Not sure if it was mentioned, but I think
"donecanvasdialog" sets the
dirty flag and "coords" does not (if it matters to
you).
-Jonathan
João
just like jonathan said, you can do that with data structures, just add
the parenthesis scales to the variable declaration. I just don't leave the
limit in, because you can still define extreme positions (for example,
controling the points with messages instead of mouse click).
João Thanks for the zip. The abstractions are nice. I wonder if there is a way to keep from moving the control points out of bounds on the bezier. With a slider or numberbox it is easy just store a limit in an f and when the slider value changes check to see if it is beyond limit then do a delayed message to the slider to set the value to limit. You could even put a message to canvas label "beyond the outer limit" haha!.
On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, Billy Stiltner wrote:
I read somewhere that even if gui elements are not drawn in a subpatch they take use a lot of cpu. Is this true? How much processing goes on for gui elements when not visible?
Try it together with the Load Meter.
If you can't see a consistent difference of percentage, it means that it's not important.
Load Meter does not take into account the time spent in Tcl/Tk, but when a subpatch is hidden, this does not matter.
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I didn't know you could GOP data structures. This opens up a new world. Where is an up to date tutorial on using data structures?
I've prepared a DS tutorial that some people liked. But since I've spent
some time on it, I would prefer to be given the chance to present that
more often before spreading it around as I usually do with my other stuff.
There's also an old tutorial by F Barknecht around, but I don't know
anymore where.
João Pais
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