Hi All,
Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and functionality of the Cyclone library?
The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make importing of Max/MSP patches more convenient. Note these are Max/MSP 4.6 patches, already supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file formats. In addition several binop signal objects are loaded, the message and signal objects are loaded from library objects. Normal cyclone usage are individual objects.
Because we are planning to switch to a new build system, usable for all Puredata external libraries, it would be an opportunity to simplify the building process and remove potential unused functionality.
No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related library objects will not be build anymore.
Fred Jan
P.S. The original cyclone page went off-line sometime this year, but here is a copy: http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.h...
No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related library objects will not be build anymore.
So it'll remove many objects from the library, right?
I'm having a hard time understanding this [maxmode] thing/object, can you give us an example on how to use it?
cheers
2015-05-01 17:48 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan fjkraan@xs4all.nl:
Hi All,
Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and functionality of the Cyclone library?
The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make importing of Max/MSP patches more convenient. Note these are Max/MSP 4.6 patches, already supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file formats. In addition several binop signal objects are loaded, the message and signal objects are loaded from library objects. Normal cyclone usage are individual objects.
Because we are planning to switch to a new build system, usable for all Puredata external libraries, it would be an opportunity to simplify the building process and remove potential unused functionality.
No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related library objects will not be build anymore.
Fred Jan
P.S. The original cyclone page went off-line sometime this year, but here is a copy:
http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.h...
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Hi Alexandre,
No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related library objects will not be build anymore.
So it'll remove many objects from the library, right?
What will be removed is the actual maxmode object, the bin-ops "nettles", ~150 dummy objects and the hammer and sickle libraries. The hammer and sickle libraries contain the objects which are also available as separate objects.
I'm having a hard time understanding this [maxmode] thing/object, can you give us an example on how to use it?
As I understand it, the purpose of the [maxmode] object is to make importing and converting Max/MSP 4.6 patches more convenient. The dummy objects do not do anything, but the patch will load without errors. The idea is to replace the dummies with abstractions or other objects. The dummies were the objects in Max/MSP4.6 but not in Pd-vanilla or cyclone.
It might have made sense when Max/MSP 4.6 were common, but that is a long time ago.
The original cyclone page is gone from the site, but I made a copy just in time: http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.h....
cheers
Greetings,
Fred Jan
2015-05-01 17:48 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>:
Hi All, Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and functionality of the Cyclone library? The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make importing of Max/MSP patches more convenient. Note these are Max/MSP 4.6 patches, already supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file formats. In addition several binop signal objects are loaded, the message and signal objects are loaded from library objects. Normal cyclone usage are individual objects. Because we are planning to switch to a new build system, usable for all Puredata external libraries, it would be an opportunity to simplify the building process and remove potential unused functionality. No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related library objects will not be build anymore. Fred Jan P.S. The original cyclone page went off-line sometime this year, but here is a copy: http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html _______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
So [maxmode] basically loads useless empty "dummy" objects for more compability.
Well, my two cents is that the idea of having a library with several objects that exist in Max and not in Pd is great and awesome. It serves well in making both worlds somewhat compatible. But regarding opening the same files/patches, MAX and PD are just growing out to be very incompatible projects, so it's rather healthy to forget about forcing any compatibility of this type - it's just insane. It may have been reasonable back in MAX 4.6, but nowadays, with MAX 7 and everything, seems pointless.
More than that, to answer your question, it's pretty obvious to me that no human being is using this...
Now, please tell about these *bin-ops **"nettles"*, what are these?
cheers
2015-06-05 18:15 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan fjkraan@xs4all.nl:
Hi Alexandre,
No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related library objects will not be build anymore.
So it'll remove many objects from the library, right?
What will be removed is the actual maxmode object, the bin-ops "nettles", ~150 dummy objects and the hammer and sickle libraries. The hammer and sickle libraries contain the objects which are also available as separate objects.
I'm having a hard time understanding this [maxmode] thing/object, can you give us an example on how to use it?
As I understand it, the purpose of the [maxmode] object is to make importing and converting Max/MSP 4.6 patches more convenient. The dummy objects do not do anything, but the patch will load without errors. The idea is to replace the dummies with abstractions or other objects. The dummies were the objects in Max/MSP4.6 but not in Pd-vanilla or cyclone.
It might have made sense when Max/MSP 4.6 were common, but that is a long time ago.
The original cyclone page is gone from the site, but I made a copy just in time:
http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.h... .
cheers
Greetings,
Fred Jan
2015-05-01 17:48 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>:
Hi All, Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and functionality of the Cyclone library? The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make importing of Max/MSP patches more convenient. Note these are Max/MSP 4.6 patches, already supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file formats. In addition several binop signal objects are loaded, the message and signal objects are loaded from library objects. Normal cyclone usage are individual objects. Because we are planning to switch to a new build system, usable forall
Puredata external libraries, it would be an opportunity to simplifythe
building process and remove potential unused functionality. No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related library objects will not be build anymore. Fred Jan P.S. The original cyclone page went off-line sometime this year, but here is a copy:http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.h...
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Hi Alexandre,
The nettles are the cyclone bin-ops objects we discussed before: !-, !/, ==~, !=~, <~, <=~, >~, >=~, !-~, !/~, %~, +=~ They are part of the cyclone library object, which may or may not be part of your distribution. The source code is in externals/miXed/cyclone/shadow/nettles.c, hence the name.
As it is a subset of what is in zexy, it is not very important to make them available again.
Here a link to my copy of the original cyclone page: http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.h....
Greetings,
Fred Jan
On 2015-06-06 01:06 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
So [maxmode] basically loads useless empty "dummy" objects for more compability.
Well, my two cents is that the idea of having a library with several objects that exist in Max and not in Pd is great and awesome. It serves well in making both worlds somewhat compatible. But regarding opening the same files/patches, MAX and PD are just growing out to be very incompatible projects, so it's rather healthy to forget about forcing any compatibility of this type - it's just insane. It may have been reasonable back in MAX 4.6, but nowadays, with MAX 7 and everything, seems pointless.
More than that, to answer your question, it's pretty obvious to me that no human being is using this...
Now, please tell about these /bin-ops //"nettles"/, what are these?
cheers
2015-06-05 18:15 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>:
Hi Alexandre, >> No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related >> library objects will not be build anymore. > > So it'll remove many objects from the library, right? What will be removed is the actual maxmode object, the bin-ops "nettles", ~150 dummy objects and the hammer and sickle libraries. The hammer and sickle libraries contain the objects which are also available as separate objects. > > I'm having a hard time understanding this [maxmode] thing/object, can > you give us an example on how to use it? As I understand it, the purpose of the [maxmode] object is to make importing and converting Max/MSP 4.6 patches more convenient. The dummy objects do not do anything, but the patch will load without errors. The idea is to replace the dummies with abstractions or other objects. The dummies were the objects in Max/MSP4.6 but not in Pd-vanilla or cyclone. It might have made sense when Max/MSP 4.6 were common, but that is a long time ago. The original cyclone page is gone from the site, but I made a copy just in time: http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html. > > cheers Greetings, Fred Jan > > 2015-05-01 17:48 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>>: > > Hi All, > > Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and functionality of the > Cyclone library? > > The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make importing of Max/MSP > patches more convenient. Note these are Max/MSP 4.6 patches, already > supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file formats. In > addition several binop signal objects are loaded, the message and > signal objects are loaded from library objects. Normal cyclone usage > are individual objects. > > Because we are planning to switch to a new build system, usable for all > Puredata external libraries, it would be an opportunity to simplify the > building process and remove potential unused functionality. > > No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related library > objects will not be build anymore. > > Fred Jan > > P.S. The original cyclone page went off-line sometime this year, but > here is a copy: > http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at>> mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >
yeah, I can't load these objects for some reason, I wonder why is that, I'm on mac os and extended 42, any idea?
I didn't know they were in cyclone... But I remember we discussed about them, not all of them are part of zexy actually. Zexy's only got 3 out of these, whixh are: <~, >~ and ==~
It doesn't have the remaining 9 objects: !-, !/, !-~, !/~, !=~, <=~, >=~, %~, +=~
I think it's nice to have them, specially the [+=~] object which I didn't know about.
So, the [maxmode] object loads these other objects, huh? I tried loading them with it and nothing happened.
It seems weird to me that they have to depend on [maxmode], why can't you just get their code and make it available outside [maxmode]?
cheers
2015-06-07 8:55 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan fjkraan@xs4all.nl:
Hi Alexandre,
The nettles are the cyclone bin-ops objects we discussed before: !-, !/, ==~, !=~, <~, <=~, >~, >=~, !-~, !/~, %~, +=~ They are part of the cyclone library object, which may or may not be part of your distribution. The source code is in externals/miXed/cyclone/shadow/nettles.c, hence the name.
As it is a subset of what is in zexy, it is not very important to make them available again.
Here a link to my copy of the original cyclone page:
http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.h... .
Greetings,
Fred Jan
On 2015-06-06 01:06 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
So [maxmode] basically loads useless empty "dummy" objects for more compability.
Well, my two cents is that the idea of having a library with several objects that exist in Max and not in Pd is great and awesome. It serves well in making both worlds somewhat compatible. But regarding opening the same files/patches, MAX and PD are just growing out to be very incompatible projects, so it's rather healthy to forget about forcing any compatibility of this type - it's just insane. It may have been reasonable back in MAX 4.6, but nowadays, with MAX 7 and everything, seems pointless.
More than that, to answer your question, it's pretty obvious to me that no human being is using this...
Now, please tell about these /bin-ops //"nettles"/, what are these?
cheers
2015-06-05 18:15 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>:
Hi Alexandre, >> No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related >> library objects will not be build anymore. > > So it'll remove many objects from the library, right? What will be removed is the actual maxmode object, the bin-ops "nettles", ~150 dummy objects and the hammer and sickle libraries.The
hammer and sickle libraries contain the objects which are alsoavailable
as separate objects. > > I'm having a hard time understanding this [maxmode] thing/object,can
> you give us an example on how to use it? As I understand it, the purpose of the [maxmode] object is to make importing and converting Max/MSP 4.6 patches more convenient. Thedummy
objects do not do anything, but the patch will load without errors.The
idea is to replace the dummies with abstractions or other objects.The
dummies were the objects in Max/MSP4.6 but not in Pd-vanilla orcyclone.
It might have made sense when Max/MSP 4.6 were common, but that is a long time ago. The original cyclone page is gone from the site, but I made a copyjust
in time:http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.h... .
> > cheers Greetings, Fred Jan > > 2015-05-01 17:48 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl> <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>>: > > Hi All, > > Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and functionality of the > Cyclone library? > > The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make importing ofMax/MSP
> patches more convenient. Note these are Max/MSP 4.6 patches,already
> supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file formats. In > addition several binop signal objects are loaded, the messageand
> signal objects are loaded from library objects. Normal cycloneusage
> are individual objects. > > Because we are planning to switch to a new build system,usable for all
> Puredata external libraries, it would be an opportunity tosimplify the
> building process and remove potential unused functionality. > > No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and relatedlibrary
> objects will not be build anymore. > > Fred Jan > > P.S. The original cyclone page went off-line sometime thisyear, but
> here is a copy: >http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.h...
> > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at>> mailinglist
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Howdy, maybe this got lost amongst the millions of message I've been sending, sorry to insist, but I'm really curious about it.
Moreover, as long as we're on it, I've been creating some abstractions as clones of max objects, I was able to do most of these nestles, and also [scale] / [scale~] and I just did [rect~] and [tri~]. I wonder if I could propose them to be included in cyclone, or if it has to be objects.
Cheers
2015-06-07 9:41 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com:
yeah, I can't load these objects for some reason, I wonder why is that, I'm on mac os and extended 42, any idea?
I didn't know they were in cyclone... But I remember we discussed about them, not all of them are part of zexy actually. Zexy's only got 3 out of these, whixh are: <~, >~ and ==~
It doesn't have the remaining 9 objects: !-, !/, !-~, !/~, !=~, <=~,
=~, %~, +=~
I think it's nice to have them, specially the [+=~] object which I didn't know about.
So, the [maxmode] object loads these other objects, huh? I tried loading them with it and nothing happened.
It seems weird to me that they have to depend on [maxmode], why can't you just get their code and make it available outside [maxmode]?
cheers
2015-06-07 8:55 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan fjkraan@xs4all.nl:
Hi Alexandre,
The nettles are the cyclone bin-ops objects we discussed before: !-, !/, ==~, !=~, <~, <=~, >~, >=~, !-~, !/~, %~, +=~ They are part of the cyclone library object, which may or may not be part of your distribution. The source code is in externals/miXed/cyclone/shadow/nettles.c, hence the name.
As it is a subset of what is in zexy, it is not very important to make them available again.
Here a link to my copy of the original cyclone page:
http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.h... .
Greetings,
Fred Jan
On 2015-06-06 01:06 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
So [maxmode] basically loads useless empty "dummy" objects for more compability.
Well, my two cents is that the idea of having a library with several objects that exist in Max and not in Pd is great and awesome. It serves well in making both worlds somewhat compatible. But regarding opening the same files/patches, MAX and PD are just growing out to be very incompatible projects, so it's rather healthy to forget about forcing any compatibility of this type - it's just insane. It may have been reasonable back in MAX 4.6, but nowadays, with MAX 7 and everything, seems pointless.
More than that, to answer your question, it's pretty obvious to me that no human being is using this...
Now, please tell about these /bin-ops //"nettles"/, what are these?
cheers
2015-06-05 18:15 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>:
Hi Alexandre, >> No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related >> library objects will not be build anymore. > > So it'll remove many objects from the library, right? What will be removed is the actual maxmode object, the bin-ops "nettles", ~150 dummy objects and the hammer and sickle libraries.The
hammer and sickle libraries contain the objects which are alsoavailable
as separate objects. > > I'm having a hard time understanding this [maxmode] thing/object,can
> you give us an example on how to use it? As I understand it, the purpose of the [maxmode] object is to make importing and converting Max/MSP 4.6 patches more convenient. Thedummy
objects do not do anything, but the patch will load without errors.The
idea is to replace the dummies with abstractions or other objects.The
dummies were the objects in Max/MSP4.6 but not in Pd-vanilla orcyclone.
It might have made sense when Max/MSP 4.6 were common, but that is a long time ago. The original cyclone page is gone from the site, but I made a copyjust
in time:http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.h... .
> > cheers Greetings, Fred Jan > > 2015-05-01 17:48 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl> <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>>: > > Hi All, > > Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and functionality of the > Cyclone library? > > The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make importing ofMax/MSP
> patches more convenient. Note these are Max/MSP 4.6 patches,already
> supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file formats. In > addition several binop signal objects are loaded, the messageand
> signal objects are loaded from library objects. Normalcyclone usage
> are individual objects. > > Because we are planning to switch to a new build system,usable for all
> Puredata external libraries, it would be an opportunity tosimplify the
> building process and remove potential unused functionality. > > No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and relatedlibrary
> objects will not be build anymore. > > Fred Jan > > P.S. The original cyclone page went off-line sometime thisyear, but
> here is a copy: >http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.h...
> > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at>>mailing list
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Hi Alexandre,
Howdy, maybe this got lost amongst the millions of message I've been sending, sorry to insist, but I'm really curious about it.
Moreover, as long as we're on it, I've been creating some abstractions as clones of max objects, I was able to do most of these nestles, and also [scale] / [scale~] and I just did [rect~] and [tri~]. I wonder if I could propose them to be included in cyclone, or if it has to be objects.
The last days I have been looking at what could be done with the original nettles. In the end it was quite simple to get them working as a library object and create a suitable help-patch. Both are checked in in svn, but the original cyclone build system will not build the library. Katja created a new makefile system as a drop-in replacement for the Pd-extended build system, which will be checked in soon.
I will try to create new binary distributions, usable with the deken-plugin somewhere next week. These will contain the nettles. I try to keep the current state of cyclone here: http://puredata.info/downloads/cyclone/releases/0.1-alpha55 (never mind the 55, it wouldn't go away).
Any object or abstraction that implements something present in Max(5) could be part of cyclone.
Cheers
Greetings,
Fred Jan
2015-06-07 9:41 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com mailto:porres@gmail.com>:
yeah, I can't load these objects for some reason, I wonder why is that, I'm on mac os and extended 42, any idea? I didn't know they were in cyclone... But I remember we discussed about them, not all of them are part of zexy actually. Zexy's only got 3 out of these, whixh are: <~, >~ and ==~ It doesn't have the remaining 9 objects: !-, !/, !-~, !/~, !=~, <=~, >=~, %~, +=~ I think it's nice to have them, specially the [+=~] object which I didn't know about. So, the [maxmode] object loads these other objects, huh? I tried loading them with it and nothing happened. It seems weird to me that they have to depend on [maxmode], why can't you just get their code and make it available outside [maxmode]? cheers 2015-06-07 8:55 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>: Hi Alexandre, The nettles are the cyclone bin-ops objects we discussed before: !-, !/, ==~, !=~, <~, <=~, >~, >=~, !-~, !/~, %~, +=~ They are part of the cyclone library object, which may or may not be part of your distribution. The source code is in externals/miXed/cyclone/shadow/nettles.c, hence the name. As it is a subset of what is in zexy, it is not very important to make them available again. Here a link to my copy of the original cyclone page: http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html. Greetings, Fred Jan On 2015-06-06 01:06 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > So [maxmode] basically loads useless empty "dummy" objects for more > compability. > > Well, my two cents is that the idea of having a library with several > objects that exist in Max and not in Pd is great and awesome. It serves > well in making both worlds somewhat compatible. But regarding opening > the same files/patches, MAX and PD are just growing out to be very > incompatible projects, so it's rather healthy to forget about forcing > any compatibility of this type - it's just insane. It may have been > reasonable back in MAX 4.6, but nowadays, with MAX 7 and everything, > seems pointless. > > More than that, to answer your question, it's pretty obvious to me that > no human being is using this... > > Now, please tell about these /bin-ops //"nettles"/, what are these? > > cheers > > 2015-06-05 18:15 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>>: > > Hi Alexandre, > > >> No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related > >> library objects will not be build anymore. > > > > So it'll remove many objects from the library, right? > > What will be removed is the actual maxmode object, the bin-ops > "nettles", ~150 dummy objects and the hammer and sickle libraries. The > hammer and sickle libraries contain the objects which are also available > as separate objects. > > > > I'm having a hard time understanding this [maxmode] thing/object, can > > you give us an example on how to use it? > > As I understand it, the purpose of the [maxmode] object is to make > importing and converting Max/MSP 4.6 patches more convenient. The dummy > objects do not do anything, but the patch will load without errors. The > idea is to replace the dummies with abstractions or other objects. The > dummies were the objects in Max/MSP4.6 but not in Pd-vanilla or cyclone. > > It might have made sense when Max/MSP 4.6 were common, but that is a > long time ago. > > The original cyclone page is gone from the site, but I made a copy just > in time: > http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html. > > > > > cheers > > Greetings, > > Fred Jan > > > > 2015-05-01 17:48 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>> > > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>>>: > > > > Hi All, > > > > Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and functionality of the > > Cyclone library? > > > > The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make importing of Max/MSP > > patches more convenient. Note these are Max/MSP 4.6 patches, already > > supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file formats. In > > addition several binop signal objects are loaded, the message and > > signal objects are loaded from library objects. Normal cyclone usage > > are individual objects. > > > > Because we are planning to switch to a new build system, usable for all > > Puredata external libraries, it would be an opportunity to simplify the > > building process and remove potential unused functionality. > > > > No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related library > > objects will not be build anymore. > > > > Fred Jan > > > > P.S. The original cyclone page went off-line sometime this year, but > > here is a copy: > > http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at>>> mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
I try to keep the current state of cyclone here: http://puredata.info/downloads/cyclone/releases/0.1-alpha55 (never mind the 55, it wouldn't go away).
hmm, but I see it still has alpha55 there
great news about the rest
really excited about this update
2015-06-12 3:34 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan fjkraan@xs4all.nl:
Hi Alexandre,
Howdy, maybe this got lost amongst the millions of message I've been sending, sorry to insist, but I'm really curious about it.
Moreover, as long as we're on it, I've been creating some abstractions as clones of max objects, I was able to do most of these nestles, and also [scale] / [scale~] and I just did [rect~] and [tri~]. I wonder if I could propose them to be included in cyclone, or if it has to be objects.
The last days I have been looking at what could be done with the original nettles. In the end it was quite simple to get them working as a library object and create a suitable help-patch. Both are checked in in svn, but the original cyclone build system will not build the library. Katja created a new makefile system as a drop-in replacement for the Pd-extended build system, which will be checked in soon.
I will try to create new binary distributions, usable with the deken-plugin somewhere next week. These will contain the nettles. I try to keep the current state of cyclone here: http://puredata.info/downloads/cyclone/releases/0.1-alpha55 (never mind the 55, it wouldn't go away).
Any object or abstraction that implements something present in Max(5) could be part of cyclone.
Cheers
Greetings,
Fred Jan
2015-06-07 9:41 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com mailto:porres@gmail.com>:
yeah, I can't load these objects for some reason, I wonder why is that, I'm on mac os and extended 42, any idea? I didn't know they were in cyclone... But I remember we discussed about them, not all of them are part of zexy actually. Zexy's only got 3 out of these, whixh are: <~, >~ and ==~ It doesn't have the remaining 9 objects: !-, !/, !-~, !/~, !=~, <=~, >=~, %~, +=~ I think it's nice to have them, specially the [+=~] object which I didn't know about. So, the [maxmode] object loads these other objects, huh? I tried loading them with it and nothing happened. It seems weird to me that they have to depend on [maxmode], why can't you just get their code and make it available outside[maxmode]?
cheers 2015-06-07 8:55 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>: Hi Alexandre, The nettles are the cyclone bin-ops objects we discussed before: !-, !/, ==~, !=~, <~, <=~, >~, >=~, !-~, !/~, %~, +=~ They are part of the cyclone library object, which may or maynot be
part of your distribution. The source code is in externals/miXed/cyclone/shadow/nettles.c, hence the name. As it is a subset of what is in zexy, it is not very important to make them available again. Here a link to my copy of the original cyclone page:http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.h... .
Greetings, Fred Jan On 2015-06-06 01:06 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > So [maxmode] basically loads useless empty "dummy" objects for more > compability. > > Well, my two cents is that the idea of having a library with several > objects that exist in Max and not in Pd is great and awesome. It serves > well in making both worlds somewhat compatible. But regarding opening > the same files/patches, MAX and PD are just growing out to bevery
> incompatible projects, so it's rather healthy to forget about forcing > any compatibility of this type - it's just insane. It may have been > reasonable back in MAX 4.6, but nowadays, with MAX 7 and everything, > seems pointless. > > More than that, to answer your question, it's pretty obvious to me that > no human being is using this... > > Now, please tell about these /bin-ops //"nettles"/, what are these? > > cheers > > 2015-06-05 18:15 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>>: > > Hi Alexandre, > > >> No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related > >> library objects will not be build anymore. > > > > So it'll remove many objects from the library, right? > > What will be removed is the actual maxmode object, thebin-ops
> "nettles", ~150 dummy objects and the hammer and sickle libraries. The > hammer and sickle libraries contain the objects which are also available > as separate objects. > > > > I'm having a hard time understanding this [maxmode] thing/object, can > > you give us an example on how to use it? > > As I understand it, the purpose of the [maxmode] object is to make > importing and converting Max/MSP 4.6 patches more convenient. The dummy > objects do not do anything, but the patch will load without errors. The > idea is to replace the dummies with abstractions or other objects. The > dummies were the objects in Max/MSP4.6 but not in Pd-vanilla or cyclone. > > It might have made sense when Max/MSP 4.6 were common, but that is a > long time ago. > > The original cyclone page is gone from the site, but I made a copy just > in time: >http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.h... .
> > > > > cheers > > Greetings, > > Fred Jan > > > > 2015-05-01 17:48 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>> > > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>>>: > > > > Hi All, > > > > Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and functionality of the > > Cyclone library? > > > > The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make importing of Max/MSP > > patches more convenient. Note these are Max/MSP 4.6 patches, already > > supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file formats. In > > addition several binop signal objects are loaded, the message and > > signal objects are loaded from library objects. Normal cyclone usage > > are individual objects. > > > > Because we are planning to switch to a new build system, usable for all > > Puredata external libraries, it would be an opportunity to simplify the > > building process and remove potential unused functionality. > > > > No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related library > > objects will not be build anymore. > > > > Fred Jan > > > > P.S. The original cyclone page went off-line sometime this year, but > > here is a copy: > >http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.h...
> > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at>>> mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Hi Alexandre,
I try to keep the current state of cyclone here: http://puredata.info/downloads/cyclone/releases/0.1-alpha55 (never mind the 55, it wouldn't go away).
hmm, but I see it still has alpha55 there
Finally I found a way to create an 0.1-alpha57 page, so it is now more as it should be. The alpha55 is the latest real Pd-extended release.
great news about the rest
really excited about this update
Greetings,
Fred Jan
2015-06-12 3:34 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>:
Hi Alexandre, > Howdy, maybe this got lost amongst the millions of message I've been > sending, sorry to insist, but I'm really curious about it. > > Moreover, as long as we're on it, I've been creating some abstractions > as clones of max objects, I was able to do most of these nestles, and > also [scale] / [scale~] and I just did [rect~] and [tri~]. I wonder if I > could propose them to be included in cyclone, or if it has to be objects. The last days I have been looking at what could be done with the original nettles. In the end it was quite simple to get them working as a library object and create a suitable help-patch. Both are checked in in svn, but the original cyclone build system will not build the library. Katja created a new makefile system as a drop-in replacement for the Pd-extended build system, which will be checked in soon. I will try to create new binary distributions, usable with the deken-plugin somewhere next week. These will contain the nettles. I try to keep the current state of cyclone here: http://puredata.info/downloads/cyclone/releases/0.1-alpha55 (never mind the 55, it wouldn't go away). Any object or abstraction that implements something present in Max(5) could be part of cyclone. > > Cheers Greetings, Fred Jan > > 2015-06-07 9:41 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com <mailto:porres@gmail.com> > <mailto:porres@gmail.com <mailto:porres@gmail.com>>>: > > yeah, I can't load these objects for some reason, I wonder why is > that, I'm on mac os and extended 42, any idea? > > I didn't know they were in cyclone... But I remember we discussed > about them, not all of them are part of zexy actually. Zexy's only > got 3 out of these, whixh are: <~, >~ and ==~ > > It doesn't have the remaining 9 objects: !-, !/, !-~, !/~, !=~, > <=~, >=~, %~, +=~ > > I think it's nice to have them, specially the [+=~] object which I > didn't know about. > > So, the [maxmode] object loads these other objects, huh? I tried > loading them with it and nothing happened. > > It seems weird to me that they have to depend on [maxmode], why > can't you just get their code and make it available outside [maxmode]? > > cheers > > > 2015-06-07 8:55 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>>: > > Hi Alexandre, > > The nettles are the cyclone bin-ops objects we discussed before: > !-, !/, ==~, !=~, <~, <=~, >~, >=~, !-~, !/~, %~, +=~ > They are part of the cyclone library object, which may or may not be > part of your distribution. The source code is in > externals/miXed/cyclone/shadow/nettles.c, hence the name. > > As it is a subset of what is in zexy, it is not very important > to make > them available again. > > Here a link to my copy of the original cyclone page: > http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html. > > Greetings, > > Fred Jan > > On 2015-06-06 01:06 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > > So [maxmode] basically loads useless empty "dummy" objects for > more > > compability. > > > > Well, my two cents is that the idea of having a library with > several > > objects that exist in Max and not in Pd is great and awesome. > It serves > > well in making both worlds somewhat compatible. But regarding > opening > > the same files/patches, MAX and PD are just growing out to be very > > incompatible projects, so it's rather healthy to forget about > forcing > > any compatibility of this type - it's just insane. It may have > been > > reasonable back in MAX 4.6, but nowadays, with MAX 7 and > everything, > > seems pointless. > > > > More than that, to answer your question, it's pretty obvious > to me that > > no human being is using this... > > > > Now, please tell about these /bin-ops //"nettles"/, what are > these? > > > > cheers > > > > 2015-06-05 18:15 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>> > > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>>>: > > > > Hi Alexandre, > > > > >> No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and > related > > >> library objects will not be build anymore. > > > > > > So it'll remove many objects from the library, right? > > > > What will be removed is the actual maxmode object, the bin-ops > > "nettles", ~150 dummy objects and the hammer and sickle > libraries. The > > hammer and sickle libraries contain the objects which are > also available > > as separate objects. > > > > > > I'm having a hard time understanding this [maxmode] > thing/object, can > > > you give us an example on how to use it? > > > > As I understand it, the purpose of the [maxmode] object is > to make > > importing and converting Max/MSP 4.6 patches more > convenient. The dummy > > objects do not do anything, but the patch will load > without errors. The > > idea is to replace the dummies with abstractions or other > objects. The > > dummies were the objects in Max/MSP4.6 but not in > Pd-vanilla or cyclone. > > > > It might have made sense when Max/MSP 4.6 were common, but > that is a > > long time ago. > > > > The original cyclone page is gone from the site, but I > made a copy just > > in time: > > > http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html. > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > Greetings, > > > > Fred Jan > > > > > > 2015-05-01 17:48 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan > <fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>> > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>> > > > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>> > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>>>>: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and > functionality of the > > > Cyclone library? > > > > > > The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make > importing of Max/MSP > > > patches more convenient. Note these are Max/MSP 4.6 > patches, already > > > supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file > formats. In > > > addition several binop signal objects are loaded, > the message and > > > signal objects are loaded from library objects. > Normal cyclone usage > > > are individual objects. > > > > > > Because we are planning to switch to a new build > system, usable for all > > > Puredata external libraries, it would be an > opportunity to simplify the > > > building process and remove potential unused > functionality. > > > > > > No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and > related library > > > objects will not be build anymore. > > > > > > Fred Jan > > > > > > P.S. The original cyclone page went off-line > sometime this year, but > > > here is a copy: > > > > http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at>>> > > <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at>>>> > mailing list > > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at>> mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >
Hi All,
The latest binary distributions for cyclone are available for download with the cool deken-plugin found at https://github.com/pure-data/deken.
Any remarks on either the cyclone distribution or the deken-plugin are welcome on the list.
The nettles were an original part of cyclone, but fell in disuse because they became part of the cyclone-library object and maxmode object. The help patches for the nettles are still a bit minimal.
Also new is a preview of Alexandre's teeth~ abstraction.
If you have pd-extended or something similar, you might want to rename your original cyclone object directory, to prevent confusion.
Greetings,
Fred Jan
Cool! Not sure how to use deken yet, isn't there just a download link? cheers
2015-06-17 10:44 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan fjkraan@xs4all.nl:
Hi All,
The latest binary distributions for cyclone are available for download with the cool deken-plugin found at https://github.com/pure-data/deken.
Any remarks on either the cyclone distribution or the deken-plugin are welcome on the list.
The nettles were an original part of cyclone, but fell in disuse because they became part of the cyclone-library object and maxmode object. The help patches for the nettles are still a bit minimal.
Also new is a preview of Alexandre's teeth~ abstraction.
If you have pd-extended or something similar, you might want to rename your original cyclone object directory, to prevent confusion.
Greetings,
Fred Jan
On 2015-06-17 06:34 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Cool! Not sure how to use deken yet, isn't there just a download link?
Yes, there is: http://puredata.info/Members/fjkraan/. But the plugin is very simple to use, so please try it!
The other part of the deken suite is for compiling and uploading externals. But the parts are independent.
cheers
Greetings,
Fred Jan
2015-06-17 10:44 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>:
Hi All, The latest binary distributions for cyclone are available for download with the cool deken-plugin found at https://github.com/pure-data/deken. Any remarks on either the cyclone distribution or the deken-plugin are welcome on the list. The nettles were an original part of cyclone, but fell in disuse because they became part of the cyclone-library object and maxmode object. The help patches for the nettles are still a bit minimal. Also new is a preview of Alexandre's teeth~ abstraction. If you have pd-extended or something similar, you might want to rename your original cyclone object directory, to prevent confusion. Greetings, Fred Jan
could not load rand~
*rand~* *... couldn't create* */Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/cyclone/rand~.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/cyclone/rand~.pd_darwin, 10): Symbol not found: _logpost*
- Referenced from:
/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/cyclone/rand~.pd_darwin*
- Expected in: flat namespace*
2015-06-17 13:49 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan fjkraan@xs4all.nl:
On 2015-06-17 06:34 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Cool! Not sure how to use deken yet, isn't there just a download link?
Yes, there is: http://puredata.info/Members/fjkraan/. But the plugin is very simple to use, so please try it!
The other part of the deken suite is for compiling and uploading externals. But the parts are independent.
cheers
Greetings,
Fred Jan
2015-06-17 10:44 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>:
Hi All, The latest binary distributions for cyclone are available fordownload
with the cool deken-plugin found athttps://github.com/pure-data/deken.
Any remarks on either the cyclone distribution or the deken-pluginare
welcome on the list. The nettles were an original part of cyclone, but fell in disusebecause
they became part of the cyclone-library object and maxmode object.The
help patches for the nettles are still a bit minimal. Also new is a preview of Alexandre's teeth~ abstraction. If you have pd-extended or something similar, you might want torename
your original cyclone object directory, to prevent confusion. Greetings, Fred Jan
Hi Alexandre,
Your version of Pd probably predates the introduction of the logpost() function. It seemed a good idea to print an objects version number on a level normally invisable. There might be an alternative. More objects have this message.
Fred Jan
On 2015-06-17 07:45 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
could not load rand~
/rand~/ /... couldn't create/ //Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/cyclone/rand~.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/cyclone/rand~.pd_darwin, 10): Symbol not found: _logpost/ / Referenced from: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/cyclone/rand~.pd_darwin/ / Expected in: flat namespace/
2015-06-17 13:49 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>:
On 2015-06-17 06:34 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > Cool! Not sure how to use deken yet, isn't there just a download link? Yes, there is: http://puredata.info/Members/fjkraan/. But the plugin is very simple to use, so please try it! The other part of the deken suite is for compiling and uploading externals. But the parts are independent. > cheers Greetings, Fred Jan > > 2015-06-17 10:44 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>>: > > Hi All, > > The latest binary distributions for cyclone are available for download > with the cool deken-plugin found at https://github.com/pure-data/deken. > > Any remarks on either the cyclone distribution or the deken-plugin are > welcome on the list. > > The nettles were an original part of cyclone, but fell in disuse because > they became part of the cyclone-library object and maxmode object. The > help patches for the nettles are still a bit minimal. > > Also new is a preview of Alexandre's teeth~ abstraction. > > If you have pd-extended or something similar, you might want to rename > your original cyclone object directory, to prevent confusion. > > Greetings, > > Fred Jan > >
I was on extended 42. Funny that the same package works for vanilla 0.46.-6 64 bits and extended 42 32 bits, I thought that wasn't possible :) for what I see, the same externals do work on old ppc platforms as well, huh?
cheers
2015-06-17 16:01 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan fjkraan@xs4all.nl:
Hi Alexandre,
Your version of Pd probably predates the introduction of the logpost() function. It seemed a good idea to print an objects version number on a level normally invisable. There might be an alternative. More objects have this message.
Fred Jan
On 2015-06-17 07:45 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
could not load rand~
/rand~/ /... couldn't create/
//Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/cyclone/rand~.pd_darwin:
dlopen(/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/cyclone/rand~.pd_darwin,
10): Symbol not found: _logpost/ / Referenced from:
/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/cyclone/rand~.pd_darwin/
/ Expected in: flat namespace/
2015-06-17 13:49 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>:
On 2015-06-17 06:34 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > Cool! Not sure how to use deken yet, isn't there just a downloadlink?
Yes, there is: http://puredata.info/Members/fjkraan/. But theplugin is
very simple to use, so please try it! The other part of the deken suite is for compiling and uploading externals. But the parts are independent. > cheers Greetings, Fred Jan > > 2015-06-17 10:44 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl> <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>>: > > Hi All, > > The latest binary distributions for cyclone are available for download > with the cool deken-plugin found at https://github.com/pure-data/deken. > > Any remarks on either the cyclone distribution or the deken-plugin are > welcome on the list. > > The nettles were an original part of cyclone, but fell in disuse because > they became part of the cyclone-library object and maxmode object. The > help patches for the nettles are still a bit minimal. > > Also new is a preview of Alexandre's teeth~ abstraction. > > If you have pd-extended or something similar, you might want to rename > your original cyclone object directory, to prevent confusion. > > Greetings, > > Fred Jan > >
"*Yes, there is: * *http://puredata.info/Members/fjkraan/ http://puredata.info/Members/fjkraan/. But the plugin is**very simple to use, so please try it!*"
what if I wanna download the source? Where would it be?
By the way, I was able to try the plugin, worked out fine ;)
cheers
2015-06-17 13:49 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan fjkraan@xs4all.nl:
On 2015-06-17 06:34 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Cool! Not sure how to use deken yet, isn't there just a download link?
Yes, there is: http://puredata.info/Members/fjkraan/. But the plugin is very simple to use, so please try it!
The other part of the deken suite is for compiling and uploading externals. But the parts are independent.
cheers
Greetings,
Fred Jan
2015-06-17 10:44 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>:
Hi All, The latest binary distributions for cyclone are available fordownload
with the cool deken-plugin found athttps://github.com/pure-data/deken.
Any remarks on either the cyclone distribution or the deken-pluginare
welcome on the list. The nettles were an original part of cyclone, but fell in disusebecause
they became part of the cyclone-library object and maxmode object.The
help patches for the nettles are still a bit minimal. Also new is a preview of Alexandre's teeth~ abstraction. If you have pd-extended or something similar, you might want torename
your original cyclone object directory, to prevent confusion. Greetings, Fred Jan
Hi Alexandre,
"/Yes, there is: //http://puredata.info/Members/fjkraan/. But the plugin is //very simple to use, so please try it!/"
what if I wanna download the source? Where would it be?
The source is in https://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/externals/miXed/. Only the build system I used is missing, I'll add that soon.
By the way, I was able to try the plugin, worked out fine ;)
cheers
Greetings,
Fred Jan
2015-06-17 13:49 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>:
On 2015-06-17 06:34 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > Cool! Not sure how to use deken yet, isn't there just a download link? Yes, there is: http://puredata.info/Members/fjkraan/. But the plugin is very simple to use, so please try it! The other part of the deken suite is for compiling and uploading externals. But the parts are independent. > cheers Greetings, Fred Jan > > 2015-06-17 10:44 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>>: > > Hi All, > > The latest binary distributions for cyclone are available for download > with the cool deken-plugin found at https://github.com/pure-data/deken. > > Any remarks on either the cyclone distribution or the deken-plugin are > welcome on the list. > > The nettles were an original part of cyclone, but fell in disuse because > they became part of the cyclone-library object and maxmode object. The > help patches for the nettles are still a bit minimal. > > Also new is a preview of Alexandre's teeth~ abstraction. > > If you have pd-extended or something similar, you might want to rename > your original cyclone object directory, to prevent confusion. > > Greetings, > > Fred Jan > >
Hi Alexandre,
You may try again, I updated svn and all cyclone binaries. I get handy with this, which means I am probably almost done ;-)
Fred Jan
perfect, working fine in 0.42 now ;)
why do you have to declare the nettles? How come they cannot be loaded along cyclone? Is it like they are not part of cyclone anymore? it's kinda weird, I don't get it.
cheers
2015-06-18 7:42 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan fjkraan@xs4all.nl:
Hi Alexandre,
You may try again, I updated svn and all cyclone binaries. I get handy with this, which means I am probably almost done ;-)
Fred Jan
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Hi Alexandre,
perfect, working fine in 0.42 now ;)
Anything to keep the testers happy :-).
why do you have to declare the nettles? How come they cannot be loaded along cyclone? Is it like they are not part of cyclone anymore? it's kinda weird, I don't get it.
It could be my limited knowledge of how to handle real library objects.
The 'normal' cyclone objects all have their own file, and they can be found by having Pd looking in the correct directory (by using Preferences > Path... in combination with Preferences > Startup....) Nettles however, is one file containing all the objects. You have to load the nettles file before Pd knows the object names. [declare] seemed an elegant way to load them. '-lib nettles' from the command line or [import] are other ways. Of course the nettles file could be broken up into the individual objects, but I am just lazy. The changes I made to make it work outside the cyclone library object are minimal.
cheers
Greetings,
Fred Jan
2015-06-18 7:42 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>:
Hi Alexandre, You may try again, I updated svn and all cyclone binaries. I get handy with this, which means I am probably almost done ;-) Fred Jan _______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
It could be my limited knowledge of how to handle real library objects.
Now that you've mentioned, that seems about right :) I know nothing about how to handle it too, but I believe it'd be quite trivial to load them without declaring it like that. And there'd be no need to split them into many objects.
Other Pd masters could help with that...
2015-06-19 3:36 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan fjkraan@xs4all.nl:
Hi Alexandre,
perfect, working fine in 0.42 now ;)
Anything to keep the testers happy :-).
why do you have to declare the nettles? How come they cannot be loaded along cyclone? Is it like they are not part of cyclone anymore? it's kinda weird, I don't get it.
It could be my limited knowledge of how to handle real library objects.
The 'normal' cyclone objects all have their own file, and they can be found by having Pd looking in the correct directory (by using Preferences > Path... in combination with Preferences > Startup....) Nettles however, is one file containing all the objects. You have to load the nettles file before Pd knows the object names. [declare] seemed an elegant way to load them. '-lib nettles' from the command line or [import] are other ways. Of course the nettles file could be broken up into the individual objects, but I am just lazy. The changes I made to make it work outside the cyclone library object are minimal.
cheers
Greetings,
Fred Jan
2015-06-18 7:42 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>:
Hi Alexandre, You may try again, I updated svn and all cyclone binaries. I gethandy
with this, which means I am probably almost done ;-) Fred Jan _______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
"
*The nettles were an original part of cyclone, but fell in disuse becausethey became part of the cyclone-library object and maxmode object. The**help patches for the nettles are still a bit minimal.*"
I don't understand this, are the nettles in the new package or not? Cause I couldn't find them, not even the help files.
cheers
2015-06-17 10:44 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan fjkraan@xs4all.nl:
Hi All,
The latest binary distributions for cyclone are available for download with the cool deken-plugin found at https://github.com/pure-data/deken.
Any remarks on either the cyclone distribution or the deken-plugin are welcome on the list.
The nettles were an original part of cyclone, but fell in disuse because they became part of the cyclone-library object and maxmode object. The help patches for the nettles are still a bit minimal.
Also new is a preview of Alexandre's teeth~ abstraction.
If you have pd-extended or something similar, you might want to rename your original cyclone object directory, to prevent confusion.
Greetings,
Fred Jan
Hi Alexandre,
There is a nettles-help.pd which loads the nettles library object using [declare -lib nettles]. There may be other ways to load libraries. But nettles uses the same logpost() function. You are sure you don't want to upgrade? :-). I probably remove the logposts all together.
Greetings,
Fred Jan
On 2015-06-18 01:48 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
"/The nettles were an original part of cyclone, but fell in disuse because they became part of the cyclone-library object and maxmode object. The //help patches for the nettles are still a bit minimal./"
I don't understand this, are the nettles in the new package or not? Cause I couldn't find them, not even the help files.
cheers
2015-06-17 10:44 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>:
Hi All, The latest binary distributions for cyclone are available for download with the cool deken-plugin found at https://github.com/pure-data/deken. Any remarks on either the cyclone distribution or the deken-plugin are welcome on the list. The nettles were an original part of cyclone, but fell in disuse because they became part of the cyclone-library object and maxmode object. The help patches for the nettles are still a bit minimal. Also new is a preview of Alexandre's teeth~ abstraction. If you have pd-extended or something similar, you might want to rename your original cyclone object directory, to prevent confusion. Greetings, Fred Jan
You are sure you don't want to upgrade? :-).
not to extended 43, thanks ;)
but I'm testing it with vanilla 0.46-6!!!
2015-06-18 3:38 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan fjkraan@xs4all.nl:
Hi Alexandre,
There is a nettles-help.pd which loads the nettles library object using [declare -lib nettles]. There may be other ways to load libraries. But nettles uses the same logpost() function. You are sure you don't want to upgrade? :-). I probably remove the logposts all together.
Greetings,
Fred Jan
On 2015-06-18 01:48 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
"/The nettles were an original part of cyclone, but fell in disuse
because
they became part of the cyclone-library object and maxmode object. The //help patches for the nettles are still a bit minimal./"
I don't understand this, are the nettles in the new package or not? Cause I couldn't find them, not even the help files.
cheers
2015-06-17 10:44 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>:
Hi All, The latest binary distributions for cyclone are available fordownload
with the cool deken-plugin found athttps://github.com/pure-data/deken.
Any remarks on either the cyclone distribution or the deken-pluginare
welcome on the list. The nettles were an original part of cyclone, but fell in disusebecause
they became part of the cyclone-library object and maxmode object.The
help patches for the nettles are still a bit minimal. Also new is a preview of Alexandre's teeth~ abstraction. If you have pd-extended or something similar, you might want torename
your original cyclone object directory, to prevent confusion. Greetings, Fred Jan
On Thu, 2015-06-18 at 17:41 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
You are sure you don't want to upgrade? :-).
not to extended 43, thanks ;)
Not that it matters much after all, but I'm still curious: What is worse in Pd-extended 0.43 than 0.42?
Roman
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