I was discussing this with Eric Lyon cause we're getting an official fftease 3.0 release out soon (heads up).
It seems that people who need this are the ones who still use some externals that were only compiled for 32 bits. So I guess the question should be "which relevant externals are still only available for 32 bits?"
The new macOS systems are 64 bits only, sooner or later we'll all have to provide 64 bit builds for the relevant externals out there.
I haven't checked them all thoroughly but it seems that all externals from Pd extended are available in deken for 64 bits, right? So I can't see why people still need 32 bit versions. Or I mean I don't know which library is still 32 bits only and I guess what needs to be done is just get them compiled for 64 bits anyway, and I could help with that.
cheers
Hi Still using 32 bits pd, (and also 64 bits) : 32 bits are necessary not for PD itself, but for drivers of external hardware working with pd, because applications based on pd integrate many hardware pieces, some of them old, and obtaining a stabilized and cheap integrated hardware set is some work. One day ill have to make the jump, though, obviously ... and upgrade hardware. Nice to read that now almost everything is available in 64 bits however on the pd side, and thanks for the wrk ! What about big sur ? JM
Le 6 févr. 2021 à 15:38, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com a écrit :
I was discussing this with Eric Lyon cause we're getting an official fftease 3.0 release out soon (heads up).
It seems that people who need this are the ones who still use some externals that were only compiled for 32 bits. So I guess the question should be "which relevant externals are still only available for 32 bits?"
The new macOS systems are 64 bits only, sooner or later we'll all have to provide 64 bit builds for the relevant externals out there.
I haven't checked them all thoroughly but it seems that all externals from Pd extended are available in deken for 64 bits, right? So I can't see why people still need 32 bit versions. Or I mean I don't know which library is still 32 bits only and I guess what needs to be done is just get them compiled for 64 bits anyway, and I could help with that.
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Em sáb., 6 de fev. de 2021 às 11:53, Jean-Marie Adrien < jm.adrien.mnt@gmail.com> escreveu:
What about big sur ?
I installed it just to test, I don't really use it, but I could install Pd and also get an old library like "unauthorized" from deken and it worked. I tested the "grid" GUI external and it was fine. So I guess it all should just work as well.
"my" external [leapmotion] still only exists for 32b, at some point I'll have to hire someone to upgrade the port if I do something with it on 64b - https://github.com/jmmmp/Pd_Leapmotion_win
But that's surely not considered relevant, probably no one at all besides me uses it.
Joao
I was discussing this with Eric Lyon cause we're getting an official fftease 3.0 release out soon (heads up).
It seems that people who need this are the ones who still use some externals that were only compiled for 32 bits. So I guess the question should be "which relevant externals are still only available for 32 bits?"
The new macOS systems are 64 bits only, sooner or later we'll all have to provide 64 bit builds for the relevant externals out there.
I haven't checked them all thoroughly but it seems that all externals from Pd extended are available in deken for 64 bits, right? So I can't see why people still need 32 bit versions. Or I mean I don't know which library is still 32 bits only and I guess what needs to be done is just get them compiled for 64 bits anyway, and I could help with that.
cheers
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that's for windows, right?
i was asking for macOS, but in fact I could and should expand the question to all systems!
So y'all can also answer me why you need 32 builds of windows/linux, if it has to do with externals only being available for 32 bits. Cause my main concern is to upgrade "relevant" libraries. But I mentioned macOS cause that's where I can really help most.
cheers
Em sáb., 6 de fev. de 2021 às 12:39, João Pais jmmmpais@gmail.com escreveu:
"my" external [leapmotion] still only exists for 32b, at some point I'll have to hire someone to upgrade the port if I do something with it on 64b - https://github.com/jmmmp/Pd_Leapmotion_win
But that's surely not considered relevant, probably no one at all besides me uses it. Joao
I was discussing this with Eric Lyon cause we're getting an official fftease 3.0 release out soon (heads up).
It seems that people who need this are the ones who still use some externals that were only compiled for 32 bits. So I guess the question should be "which relevant externals are still only available for 32 bits?"
The new macOS systems are 64 bits only, sooner or later we'll all have to provide 64 bit builds for the relevant externals out there.
I haven't checked them all thoroughly but it seems that all externals from Pd extended are available in deken for 64 bits, right? So I can't see why people still need 32 bit versions. Or I mean I don't know which library is still 32 bits only and I guess what needs to be done is just get them compiled for 64 bits anyway, and I could help with that.
cheers
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Em sáb., 6 de fev. de 2021 às 12:45, Alexandre Torres Porres < porres@gmail.com> escreveu:
So y'all can also answer me why you need 32 builds of windows/linux, if it has to do with externals only being available for 32 bits. Cause my main concern is to upgrade "relevant" libraries. But I mentioned macOS cause that's where I can really help most.
We all know new macOS systems are 64 bits only. Now we have the new M1 chips that I believe CANNOT run older systems. Therefore, 32 bits is deprecated!
Now, I don't know what's the deal with PCs. I guess anyone can get any new PC computer and run Pd 32 bits if they want/need, right? I guess I need to ask: What's the deal with windows/linux? Do any of you suffer with 32 vs 64 bits issues? Like needing a 64 bit system and not having 64 bit externals for Pd or whatever?
So y'all can also answer me why you need 32 builds of windows/linux, if it has to do with externals only being available for 32 bits. Cause my main concern is to upgrade "relevant" libraries. But I mentioned macOS cause that's where I can really help most.We all know new macOS systems are 64 bits only. Now we have the new M1 chips that I believe CANNOT run older systems. Therefore, 32 bits is deprecated!
Now, I don't know what's the deal with PCs. I guess anyone can get any new PC computer and run Pd 32 bits if they want/need, right? I guess I need to ask: What's the deal with windows/linux? Do any of you suffer with 32 vs 64 bits issues? Like needing a 64 bit system and not having 64 bit externals for Pd or whatever?
in windows that's not a problem, it's common to have 64+32b software running. I doubt that any 32b hardware is still being produced, maybe there's some in the 2nd hand market (I also have 2 mac powerpcs at home, but don't use them, and probably it's not worth it to consider these relevant)
in windows that's not a problem, it's common to have 64+32b software
running
So the newest system is 64 bits but can run 32 bits like macOS mojave and earlier, right? Just wanna get it 100% straight. I guess that's the same with Linux, therefore the greatest concern is with macs indeed
Em sáb., 6 de fev. de 2021 às 14:32, João Pais jmmmpais@gmail.com escreveu:
So y'all can also answer me why you need 32 builds of windows/linux, if it
has to do with externals only being available for 32 bits. Cause my main concern is to upgrade "relevant" libraries. But I mentioned macOS cause that's where I can really help most.
We all know new macOS systems are 64 bits only. Now we have the new M1 chips that I believe CANNOT run older systems. Therefore, 32 bits is deprecated!
Now, I don't know what's the deal with PCs. I guess anyone can get any new PC computer and run Pd 32 bits if they want/need, right? I guess I need to ask: What's the deal with windows/linux? Do any of you suffer with 32 vs 64 bits issues? Like needing a 64 bit system and not having 64 bit externals for Pd or whatever?
in windows that's not a problem, it's common to have 64+32b software running. I doubt that any 32b hardware is still being produced, maybe there's some in the 2nd hand market (I also have 2 mac powerpcs at home, but don't use them, and probably it's not worth it to consider these relevant) _______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
no problem, I still have pd 32b and just installed office 32b
Am 06.02.2021 um 18:49 schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres:
in windows that's not a problem, it's common to have 64+32b software
running
So the newest system is 64 bits but can run 32 bits like macOS mojave and earlier, right? Just wanna get it 100% straight. I guess that's the same with Linux, therefore the greatest concern is with macs indeed
Em sáb., 6 de fev. de 2021 às 14:32, João Pais <jmmmpais@gmail.com mailto:jmmmpais@gmail.com> escreveu:
So y'all can also answer me why you need 32 builds of windows/linux, if it has to do with externals only being available for 32 bits. Cause my main concern is to upgrade "relevant" libraries. But I mentioned macOS cause that's where I can really help most. We all know new macOS systems are 64 bits only. Now we have the new M1 chips that I believe CANNOT run older systems. Therefore, 32 bits is deprecated! Now, I don't know what's the deal with PCs. I guess anyone can get any new PC computer and run Pd 32 bits if they want/need, right? I guess I need to ask: What's the deal with windows/linux? Do any of you suffer with 32 vs 64 bits issues? Like needing a 64 bit system and not having 64 bit externals for Pd or whatever?in windows that's not a problem, it's common to have 64+32b software running. I doubt that any 32b hardware is still being produced, maybe there's some in the 2nd hand market (I also have 2 mac powerpcs at home, but don't use them, and probably it's not worth it to consider these relevant) _______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-manag
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