no worries, i'll be back...! ;)
ok. small update. sorry for spamming and hijacking the thread robert van hulzen.
i'm back.
been working on this little abs for soundfile playback & recording (see attachment). it's loosely modeled on my roland spd-s hardware midi drumcontroller / sampler, lifting lots of the rtc [play-samp~]--thanks for that tip, frank barknecht! i'm getting quite happy with what i'm doing (not to mention the fun of actually doing it), but i got stuck with a few things:
- i separated transposition and reverse. when i play a sample in reverse,
the transposition has no effect. since the loop is time based (using [arraysize] to set a delay), the repeatbang in loop mode follows only when the 'transposed time' is finished, but the speed of reverse playback is always the normal one. it's the same in rtc's [play-samp~]. i'm afraid i don't really understand how to talk to [vline~] and / or [tabread4~] and the maths involved in creating the messages. am i right that in [0, 0 $1( the $1 sets the time for [vline~]? i tried combining the length in milliseconds and the size of the array (for the starting point), but no joy so far.
- i have three ways of playing back: 1) [bang( toggles playback on and off
- [bang( starts the sample from the top everytime it's banged, stopping
earlier playback 3) [bang( starts the sample from the top everytime it's banged, on top of earlier playback, so the sounds get layered. i used a subpatch ([pd poly]) to do this: in there live 8 subpatches very similar to [pd trigger] from the main patch, only the cutoffs have been 'localised' and i took out some things not needed there. however, nothing seems to happen when i try and trigger these patches. is there a problem reading one array multiple times? as far as i'm aware the fact that they live in subpatches does not matter; copying the insides of a trigger into the main patch didn't help.
would anyone have ideas about / where to find solutions for these issues? thanks a lot! cheers, robbert
On 12/4/06 5:43 PM, "robbert van hulzen" robbert@performers.net wrote:
no worries, i'll be back...! ;)
ok. small update. sorry for spamming and hijacking the thread robert van hulzen.
i guess my questions were too vague--or just not challenging enough ;)
with my soundfile playback & recording abs (which uses lots of the rtc [play-samp~]) (see below), i got stuck with reverse transposition (which i separated in the controls): when i play a sample in reverse, the transposition has no effect. the 'loop' function is time based (a delay which is set to the duration of the loaded / recorded sound), the 'repeatbang' in loop mode does wait the complete 'transposed' time, iow the sample-in-reverse plays back at normal speed but the time between bangs is the time the transposed sample would take. i'm afraid i don't really understand how to talk to [vline~] and / or [tabread4~] and the maths involved in creating the messages. am i right that in [0, 0 $1( the $1 sets the time for [vline~]? i've been trying things with the length in milliseconds and the size of the array (for the starting point), but no joy so far. could anyone point me to a way to better understand these things?
i'm back.
no worries, i'll be back...! ;)
ok. small update. sorry for spamming and hijacking the thread robert van hulzen.
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Without looking at your code, one way to deal with reversing is to simply invert the sign of your timeline, use a [*~ -1] following the [vline~] and add that to the size of your sample - it will then play from end to start.
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:48:47 +0100 robbert van hulzen robbert@performers.net wrote:
i guess my questions were too vague--or just not challenging enough ;)
with my soundfile playback & recording abs (which uses lots of the rtc [play-samp~]) (see below), i got stuck with reverse transposition (which i separated in the controls): when i play a sample in reverse, the transposition has no effect. the 'loop' function is time based (a delay which is set to the duration of the loaded / recorded sound), the 'repeatbang' in loop mode does wait the complete 'transposed' time, iow the sample-in-reverse plays back at normal speed but the time between bangs is the time the transposed sample would take. i'm afraid i don't really understand how to talk to [vline~] and / or [tabread4~] and the maths involved in creating the messages. am i right that in [0, 0 $1( the $1 sets the time for [vline~]? i've been trying things with the length in milliseconds and the size of the array (for the starting point), but no joy so far. could anyone point me to a way to better understand these things?
i'm back.
no worries, i'll be back...! ;)
ok. small update. sorry for spamming and hijacking the thread robert van hulzen.
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thanks, though i don't really i understand this (i ran into the same problem with your 'tabread4~ help' post from august): putting a [*~] after the [vline~] affects the volume, doesn't it? however, i fixed things another way: before, i had the reverse switch before the [pow -1] which controls the transposition, so negative nrs just became zeros. changing the order did the trick. thanks anyway for your help & attention! if you feel like explaining i'd be grateful as this does bug me; otherwise i'll just learn more about it some other day. cheers, robbert
On 12/14/06 9:18 AM, "padawan12" padawan12@obiwannabe.co.uk wrote:
Without looking at your code, one way to deal with reversing is to simply invert the sign of your timeline, use a [*~ -1] following the [vline~] and add that to the size of your sample - it will then play from end to start.
putting a [*~] after the
[vline~] affects the volume, doesn't it?<
no. if you put a [*~ ] AFTER the [tabread4~] it affects the volume.
but if you change the signal leading into the [tabread4~] then that's only going to alter the speed at which the table is read.
sorry, my explaination is not good. i have a hangover.
oh i see, thanks frank & hardoff! my thinking wasn't so good--and that with no hangover ;) it's all becoming clearer, thanks for your patience.
On 12/17/06 12:21 PM, "hard off" hard.off@gmail.com wrote:
putting a [*~] after the
[vline~] affects the volume, doesn't it?<
no. if you put a [*~ ] AFTER the [tabread4~] it affects the volume.
but if you change the signal leading into the [tabread4~] then that's only going to alter the speed at which the table is read.
sorry, my explaination is not good. i have a hangover.
Hallo, robbert van hulzen hat gesagt: // robbert van hulzen wrote:
thanks, though i don't really i understand this (i ran into the same problem with your 'tabread4~ help' post from august): putting a [*~] after the [vline~] affects the volume, doesn't it?
Not if the [vline~] isn't controlling volume but the position of array-reading as in sample-playing with [tabread4~]. There you use the [vline~] that goes into the [tabread4~] to control, which sample position [tabread4~] is currently playing.
Compare this to the non-signal [tabread]: You send a number into [tabread] and it will output the value the array has at the position the incoming number specifies. So if you send a 0, you get the first value in the array, if you send a 1 you get the second, if you send a 4411 you get the 4410th value. [tabread] starts counting a 0.
Now [tabread4~] is very similar to that, only it wants a signal coming in. Assume that instead of [vline~] you use [sig~]. [sig~ 10] sent into the inlet of [tabread4~] will output the 11th sample of the array.
See attached patch for an illustration of this.
Now if you have a vline~ going from 1 to 11 into tabread4~, it will play the 10 samples from 1 to 11 (counting samples from 0). What happens if you multiply the vline~-signal with 2? It will go from 2 to 22 then , using the same time as before. This will play twice as many samples: samples 2 to 22, if there are that many, and it will result in a chipmunk pitch shift of one octave higher than before.
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