For this release, there has been a lot of work in making the GUI and
user experience much more fluid and easy. There is a new visual look
that was designed to make patches more readable. Additionally, lots
of things have been tweaked to make Pd behave more like a normal app.
There has already been a lot of testing on these builds, so it is
getting quite close to a final version. (Debian/PowerPC is missing
now but will come later)
http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
Here is a partial changelog:
next visual appearance designed for readability
default locations for user-installed externals, helpfiles, etc. GNU/Linux: /usr/local/lib/pd-externals and ~/pd-externals Mac OS X: /Library/Pd and ~/Library/Pd Windows: %ProgramFiles%/Common Files/Pd and %UserProfile%/
Application Data/Pd
lots of standard key bindings added: Enter/Return for OK Escape for Cancel Ctrl/Cmd-W closes all windows on Mac OS X, Cmd-` cycles thru open windows on Mac OS X, Cmd-m minimizes windows Ctrl/Cmd-R raises/lowers Pd window Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-R shrinks/grows Pd window Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-L clears Pd window's text console Ctrl/Cmd-B opens the Help Browser
you can now use "~" in all paths to mean home folder, and on
Windows you can use environment variables, lie %UserProfile% in paths
- Cut/Copy/Paste now work directly into object and message boxes on
all platforms
fixed Cut/Copy/Paste for the Pd window's console
[declare] and [import] now sorted out for loading (but much work
needs to be done before there namespace support is complete)
"File -> Save As" defaults to the Home folder (~/) on Mac OSX
new patches default to the folder last saved in
included pgp_opengl aka 3dp on GNU/Linux and Mac OS X
'hardware' and 'deprecated' removed from libraries loaded by default
On Debian/Ubuntu, the packages now install into /usr rather than /
usr/local
- On Mac OS X, you can now build "standalone" applications from the
File menu.
KNOWN BUGS
check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs
Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup
preferences
pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd
loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying
to load it
- the GUI runs slower on some older Macs
I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and
during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man
for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General
Smedley Butler
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Hurrah, great work Hans... Pd is starting to feel quite native on the Mac.
The app-generator is fantastic. I've got quite a few patches designed for just such a thing.
- the GUI runs slower on some older Macs
It's definitely not just older Macs! I've got a two month old Mac Pro 2.8x8 that takes 15 minutes to load one of my more complex patches (as I mentioned in another thread). I never timed it before this development, but it was probably in the 1-2 minute range (which I thought was long at the time :)).
I'll start going through the autobuilds to see if I can narrow down when the loading issue began.
Other than that, I'm very happy. Thanks for all your hard work as always.
Cheers Luke
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
For this release, there has been a lot of work in making the GUI and user experience much more fluid and easy. There is a new visual look that was designed to make patches more readable. Additionally, lots of things have been tweaked to make Pd behave more like a normal app. There has already been a lot of testing on these builds, so it is getting quite close to a final version. (Debian/PowerPC is missing now but will come later)
http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
Here is a partial changelog:
next visual appearance designed for readability
default locations for user-installed externals, helpfiles, etc.
GNU/Linux: /usr/local/lib/pd-externals and ~/pd-externals Mac OS X: /Library/Pd and ~/Library/Pd Windows: %ProgramFiles%/Common Files/Pd and %UserProfile%/ Application Data/Pd
lots of standard key bindings added: Enter/Return for OK Escape for Cancel Ctrl/Cmd-W closes all windows on Mac OS X, Cmd-` cycles thru open windows on Mac OS X, Cmd-m minimizes windows Ctrl/Cmd-R raises/lowers Pd window Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-R shrinks/grows Pd window Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-L clears Pd window's text console Ctrl/Cmd-B opens the Help Browser
you can now use "~" in all paths to mean home folder, and on
Windows you can use environment variables, lie %UserProfile% in paths
- Cut/Copy/Paste now work directly into object and message boxes on
all platforms
fixed Cut/Copy/Paste for the Pd window's console
[declare] and [import] now sorted out for loading (but much work
needs to be done before there namespace support is complete)
"File -> Save As" defaults to the Home folder (~/) on Mac OSX
new patches default to the folder last saved in
included pgp_opengl aka 3dp on GNU/Linux and Mac OS X
'hardware' and 'deprecated' removed from libraries loaded by default
On Debian/Ubuntu, the packages now install into /usr rather than /
usr/local
- On Mac OS X, you can now build "standalone" applications from the
File menu.
KNOWN BUGS
check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs
Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup
preferences
pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd
loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying
to load it
- the GUI runs slower on some older Macs
I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler
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So it's not just XP then. It makes it hard to even build a patch, because I'm afraid of using GOP. Start-up of the program itself is no issue. The slow-down occurs whenever I open my main working patch. It took about 30-45 sec before (last released pd-extended package). Now it takes 5 1/2 minutes ( I timed it just now). Everytime I edit a section of it, things take a long time to regen as well. I have some GOPs nested in other GOPs, so I was wondering if it had to do with that. I can't think of anything in particular that might cause it, but his is what I'm experiencing. On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Luke Iannini lukexipd@gmail.com wrote:
Hurrah, great work Hans... Pd is starting to feel quite native on the Mac.
The app-generator is fantastic. I've got quite a few patches designed for just such a thing.
- the GUI runs slower on some older Macs
It's definitely not just older Macs! I've got a two month old Mac Pro 2.8x8 that takes 15 minutes to load one of my more complex patches (as I mentioned in another thread). I never timed it before this development, but it was probably in the 1-2 minute range (which I thought was long at the time :)).
I'll start going through the autobuilds to see if I can narrow down when the loading issue began.
Other than that, I'm very happy. Thanks for all your hard work as always.
Cheers Luke
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
For this release, there has been a lot of work in making the GUI and user experience much more fluid and easy. There is a new visual look that was designed to make patches more readable. Additionally, lots of things have been tweaked to make Pd behave more like a normal app. There has already been a lot of testing on these builds, so it is getting quite close to a final version. (Debian/PowerPC is missing now but will come later)
http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
Here is a partial changelog:
next visual appearance designed for readability
default locations for user-installed externals, helpfiles, etc.
GNU/Linux: /usr/local/lib/pd-externals and ~/pd-externals Mac OS X: /Library/Pd and ~/Library/Pd Windows: %ProgramFiles%/Common Files/Pd and %UserProfile%/ Application Data/Pd
lots of standard key bindings added: Enter/Return for OK Escape for Cancel Ctrl/Cmd-W closes all windows on Mac OS X, Cmd-` cycles thru open windows on Mac OS X, Cmd-m minimizes windows Ctrl/Cmd-R raises/lowers Pd window Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-R shrinks/grows Pd window Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-L clears Pd window's text console Ctrl/Cmd-B opens the Help Browser
you can now use "~" in all paths to mean home folder, and on
Windows you can use environment variables, lie %UserProfile% in paths
- Cut/Copy/Paste now work directly into object and message boxes on
all platforms
fixed Cut/Copy/Paste for the Pd window's console
[declare] and [import] now sorted out for loading (but much work
needs to be done before there namespace support is complete)
"File -> Save As" defaults to the Home folder (~/) on Mac OSX
new patches default to the folder last saved in
included pgp_opengl aka 3dp on GNU/Linux and Mac OS X
'hardware' and 'deprecated' removed from libraries loaded by default
On Debian/Ubuntu, the packages now install into /usr rather than /
usr/local
- On Mac OS X, you can now build "standalone" applications from the
File menu.
KNOWN BUGS
check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs
Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup
preferences
pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd
loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying
to load it
- the GUI runs slower on some older Macs
I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler
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I see now. My guess is that this issue is related to the very large
search path caused by having the hexloader and all of the libraries
loaded by default. Could you guys try a couple things:
- take "hexloader" out of the start up libs and try opening
- take all of the libs out of the startup prefs and try opening
The GOP issue seems different that Luke's issue. Could submit a bug
report and post a patch that has this behavior?
.hc
On Jun 23, 2008, at 2:40 AM, Matthew Logan wrote:
So it's not just XP then. It makes it hard to even build a patch,
because I'm afraid of using GOP. Start-up of the program itself is no issue. The slow-down occurs
whenever I open my main working patch. It took about 30-45 sec
before (last released pd-extended package). Now it takes 5 1/2
minutes ( I timed it just now). Everytime I edit a section of it,
things take a long time to regen as well. I have some GOPs nested
in other GOPs, so I was wondering if it had to do with that. I
can't think of anything in particular that might cause it, but his
is what I'm experiencing. On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Luke Iannini lukexipd@gmail.com
wrote: Hurrah, great work Hans... Pd is starting to feel quite native on
the Mac.The app-generator is fantastic. I've got quite a few patches designed for just such a thing.
- the GUI runs slower on some older Macs
It's definitely not just older Macs! I've got a two month old Mac Pro 2.8x8 that takes 15 minutes to load one of my more complex patches (as I mentioned in another thread). I never timed it before this development, but it was probably in the 1-2 minute range (which I thought was long at the time :)).
I'll start going through the autobuilds to see if I can narrow down when the loading issue began.
Other than that, I'm very happy. Thanks for all your hard work as
always.Cheers Luke
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans@eds.org wrote:For this release, there has been a lot of work in making the GUI and user experience much more fluid and easy. There is a new visual look that was designed to make patches more readable. Additionally, lots of things have been tweaked to make Pd behave more like a normal
app.
There has already been a lot of testing on these builds, so it is getting quite close to a final version. (Debian/PowerPC is missing now but will come later)
http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
Here is a partial changelog:
next visual appearance designed for readability
default locations for user-installed externals, helpfiles, etc.
GNU/Linux: /usr/local/lib/pd-externals and ~/pd-externals Mac OS X: /Library/Pd and ~/Library/Pd Windows: %ProgramFiles%/Common Files/Pd and %UserProfile%/ Application Data/Pd
lots of standard key bindings added: Enter/Return for OK Escape for Cancel Ctrl/Cmd-W closes all windows on Mac OS X, Cmd-` cycles thru open windows on Mac OS X, Cmd-m minimizes windows Ctrl/Cmd-R raises/lowers Pd window Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-R shrinks/grows Pd window Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-L clears Pd window's text console Ctrl/Cmd-B opens the Help Browser
you can now use "~" in all paths to mean home folder, and on
Windows you can use environment variables, lie %UserProfile% in
paths
- Cut/Copy/Paste now work directly into object and message boxes on
all platforms
fixed Cut/Copy/Paste for the Pd window's console
[declare] and [import] now sorted out for loading (but much work
needs to be done before there namespace support is complete)
"File -> Save As" defaults to the Home folder (~/) on Mac OSX
new patches default to the folder last saved in
included pgp_opengl aka 3dp on GNU/Linux and Mac OS X
'hardware' and 'deprecated' removed from libraries loaded by
default
- On Debian/Ubuntu, the packages now install into /usr rather than /
usr/local
- On Mac OS X, you can now build "standalone" applications from the
File menu.
KNOWN BUGS
check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs
Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup
preferences
pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd
loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying
to load it
- the GUI runs slower on some older Macs
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deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from
scarcity." -John Gilmore
Hallo Hans,
pd-extended crashes just after launching in my machine. I'm using OS 10.5.3 in a MacBook Pro.
System Configuration:
Model: MacBookPro2,2, BootROM MBP22.00A5.B07, 2 processors, Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.33 GHz, 2 GB Graphics: kHW_ATIr520Item, ATY,RadeonX1600, spdisplays_pcie_device, 256 MB Memory Module: BANK 0/DIMM0, 1 GB, DDR2 SDRAM, 667 MHz Memory Module: BANK 1/DIMM1, 1 GB, DDR2 SDRAM, 667 MHz AirPort: spairport_wireless_card_type_airport_extreme, 1.3.5 Bluetooth: Version 2.1.0f17, 2 service, 1 devices, 1 incoming serial ports Network Service: AirPort, AirPort, en1 Serial ATA Device: FUJITSU MHW2120BH, 111.79 GB Parallel ATA Device: MATSHITADVD-R UJ-857D, 789.4 MB USB Device: Built-in iSight, Micron, high_speed, 500 mA USB Device: Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad, Apple Computer, full_speed, 500 mA USB Device: General Purpose USB Hub, full_speed, 500 mA USB Device: PCR-1, EDIROL, full_speed, 200 mA USB Device: PCR-1, EDIROL, full_speed, 200 mA USB Device: IR Receiver, Apple Computer, Inc., full_speed, 500 mA USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller, Apple, Inc., full_speed, 500 mA
Log:
Process: pd [2757] Path: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../bin/pd Identifier: pd Version: ??? (???) Code Type: X86 (Native) Parent Process: Pd-extended [2752]
Date/Time: 2008-06-27 12:56:20.056 -0300 OS Version: Mac OS X 10.5.3 (9D34) Report Version: 6
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS) Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000000 Crashed Thread: 7
Thread 0: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0xffff0884 __memcpy + 228 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x942665a2 szone_realloc + 2388 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94265c0e malloc_zone_realloc + 88 3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94265b81 realloc + 209 4 pd 0x000440f7 sys_trytogetmoreguibuf + 34 (s_inter.c:614) 5 pd 0x00044251 sys_vgui + 182 (s_inter.c:661) 6 py.pd_darwin 0x013f6fdf flext_base_multi::SetAttrib(_symbol const*, flext_base_multi::AttrItem*, flext_multi::AtomList const&) + 159 7 py.pd_darwin 0x013e8eb2 pyobj::__setup__(flext_class*)
- 18
8 py.pd_darwin 0x013f549e flext_obj_multi::obj_add(bool, bool, bool, bool, char const*, char const*, void (*)(flext_class*), flext_obj_multi* (*)(int, _atom*), void (*)(flext_hdr*), int, ...) + 722 9 py.pd_darwin 0x013e7b21 pyobj_setup() + 115 10 py.pd_darwin 0x013f00e8 pybase::lib_setup() + 856 11 py.pd_darwin 0x013f4fd0 flext_obj_multi::lib_init(char const*, void (*)()) + 56 12 py.pd_darwin 0x013f016b py_setup + 37 13 pd 0x0004717f sys_do_load_lib + 615 (s_loader.c:204) 14 pd 0x00047486 sys_load_lib + 43 (s_loader.c:241) 15 pd 0x00041cc7 glob_initfromgui + 355 (s_main.c:228) 16 pd 0x00039f11 pd_typedmess + 737 (m_class.c:703) 17 pd 0x0003d7df binbuf_eval + 1043 (m_binbuf.c:677) 18 pd 0x000448ca socketreceiver_read + 1016 (s_inter.c:553) 19 pd 0x00043983 sys_domicrosleep + 367 (s_inter.c:193) 20 pd 0x000439e8 sys_microsleep + 19 (s_inter.c:216) 21 pd 0x0004185e m_scheduler + 658 (m_sched.c:492) 22 pd 0x00043770 sys_main + 1524 (s_main.c:320) 23 pd 0x000021ae _start + 216 24 pd 0x000020d5 start + 41
Thread 1: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4ee semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d866 _pthread_cond_wait + 1267 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x942d3371 pthread_cond_wait + 48 3 com.grame.JackRouter 0x01103119 CAGuard::Wait() + 73 4 com.grame.JackRouter 0x0110eaf9 HP_Device::ExecuteAllCommands() + 57 5 com.grame.JackRouter 0x0110768e CommandThread::ThreadEntry(CommandThread*) + 30 6 com.grame.JackRouter 0x011039f1 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 129 7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 2: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4a6 mach_msg_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94262c9c mach_msg + 72 2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x914b50be CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1806 3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x914b5cf8 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 88 4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910464 HALRunLoop::OwnThread(void*) + 160 5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910300 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96 6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 3: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4a6 mach_msg_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94262c9c mach_msg + 72 2 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x00619f0f XServerMachPort::ReceiveMessage(int&, void*, int&) + 101 3 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x0060c477 MIDIInPortThread::Run() + 111 4 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x0061007d XThread::RunHelper(void*) + 17 5 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x0061a9ee CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96 6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 4: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b506 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap
- 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d84f _pthread_cond_wait + 1244 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428f0d3 pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 47 3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fa47 CAGuard::WaitFor(unsigned long long) + 213 4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96921602 CAGuard::WaitUntil(unsigned long long) + 70 5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fda7 HP_IOThread::WorkLoop() + 759 6 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691faab HP_IOThread::ThreadEntry(HP_IOThread*) + 17 7 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910300 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96 8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 5: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b506 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap
- 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d84f _pthread_cond_wait + 1244 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428f0d3 pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 47 3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fa47 CAGuard::WaitFor(unsigned long long) + 213 4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96921602 CAGuard::WaitUntil(unsigned long long) + 70 5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fda7 HP_IOThread::WorkLoop() + 759 6 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691faab HP_IOThread::ThreadEntry(HP_IOThread*) + 17 7 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910300 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96 8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 6: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4ee semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d866 _pthread_cond_wait + 1267 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x942d3371 pthread_cond_wait + 48 3 py.pd_darwin 0x013f8a68 flext_multi::ThrCond::Wait() + 34 4 py.pd_darwin 0x013f8b32 flext_multi::ThrHelper(void*)
- 178
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 7 Crashed: 0 pool.pd_darwin 0x0137516b lockfree::intrusive_fifo<FifoCell>::dequeue() + 51 1 py.pd_darwin 0x013fd7c9 flext_multi::ToSysMsg(flext_multi::MsgBundle*) + 235 2 py.pd_darwin 0x013fd856 flext_base_multi::QWorker(flext_multi::thr_params*) + 74 3 py.pd_darwin 0x013f8945 flext_multi::ThreadRegistryWorker() + 197 4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 7 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit): eax: 0x00000000 ebx: 0x013fd71e ecx: 0x0140fbe0 edx: 0xb040ef00 edi: 0x0140fbe0 esi: 0xb040eef8 ebp: 0xb040eec8 esp: 0xb040ee90 ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00010286 eip: 0x0137516b cs: 0x00000017 ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x0000001f gs: 0x00000037 cr2: 0x00000000
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2008/6/23 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org:
I see now. My guess is that this issue is related to the very large search path caused by having the hexloader and all of the libraries loaded by default. Could you guys try a couple things:
- take "hexloader" out of the start up libs and try opening
- take all of the libs out of the startup prefs and try opening
The GOP issue seems different that Luke's issue. Could submit a bug report and post a patch that has this behavior?
.hc
On Jun 23, 2008, at 2:40 AM, Matthew Logan wrote:
So it's not just XP then. It makes it hard to even build a patch, because I'm afraid of using GOP. Start-up of the program itself is no issue. The slow-down occurs whenever I open my main working patch. It took about 30-45 sec before (last released pd-extended package). Now it takes 5 1/2 minutes ( I timed it just now). Everytime I edit a section of it, things take a long time to regen as well. I have some GOPs nested in other GOPs, so I was wondering if it had to do with that. I can't think of anything in particular that might cause it, but his is what I'm experiencing. On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Luke Iannini lukexipd@gmail.com wrote:
Hurrah, great work Hans... Pd is starting to feel quite native on the Mac.
The app-generator is fantastic. I've got quite a few patches designed for just such a thing.
- the GUI runs slower on some older Macs
It's definitely not just older Macs! I've got a two month old Mac Pro 2.8x8 that takes 15 minutes to load one of my more complex patches (as I mentioned in another thread). I never timed it before this development, but it was probably in the 1-2 minute range (which I thought was long at the time :)).
I'll start going through the autobuilds to see if I can narrow down when the loading issue began.
Other than that, I'm very happy. Thanks for all your hard work as always.
Cheers Luke
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
For this release, there has been a lot of work in making the GUI and user experience much more fluid and easy. There is a new visual look that was designed to make patches more readable. Additionally, lots of things have been tweaked to make Pd behave more like a normal app. There has already been a lot of testing on these builds, so it is getting quite close to a final version. (Debian/PowerPC is missing now but will come later)
http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
Here is a partial changelog:
next visual appearance designed for readability
default locations for user-installed externals, helpfiles, etc.
GNU/Linux: /usr/local/lib/pd-externals and ~/pd-externals Mac OS X: /Library/Pd and ~/Library/Pd Windows: %ProgramFiles%/Common Files/Pd and %UserProfile%/ Application Data/Pd
lots of standard key bindings added: Enter/Return for OK Escape for Cancel Ctrl/Cmd-W closes all windows on Mac OS X, Cmd-` cycles thru open windows on Mac OS X, Cmd-m minimizes windows Ctrl/Cmd-R raises/lowers Pd window Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-R shrinks/grows Pd window Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-L clears Pd window's text console Ctrl/Cmd-B opens the Help Browser
you can now use "~" in all paths to mean home folder, and on
Windows you can use environment variables, lie %UserProfile% in paths
- Cut/Copy/Paste now work directly into object and message boxes on
all platforms
fixed Cut/Copy/Paste for the Pd window's console
[declare] and [import] now sorted out for loading (but much work
needs to be done before there namespace support is complete)
"File -> Save As" defaults to the Home folder (~/) on Mac OSX
new patches default to the folder last saved in
included pgp_opengl aka 3dp on GNU/Linux and Mac OS X
'hardware' and 'deprecated' removed from libraries loaded by default
On Debian/Ubuntu, the packages now install into /usr rather than /
usr/local
- On Mac OS X, you can now build "standalone" applications from the
File menu.
KNOWN BUGS
check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs
Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup
preferences
pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd
loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying
to load it
- the GUI runs slower on some older Macs
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Looks like it is a problem with pyext, since that's what is on top of
the crashdump. Try it with a patch that doesn't use python.
.hc
On Jun 27, 2008, at 6:01 PM, bbarros wrote:
Hallo Hans,
pd-extended crashes just after launching in my machine. I'm using
OS 10.5.3 in a MacBook Pro.System Configuration:
Model: MacBookPro2,2, BootROM MBP22.00A5.B07, 2 processors, Intel
Core 2 Duo, 2.33 GHz, 2 GB Graphics: kHW_ATIr520Item, ATY,RadeonX1600, spdisplays_pcie_device,
256 MB Memory Module: BANK 0/DIMM0, 1 GB, DDR2 SDRAM, 667 MHz Memory Module: BANK 1/DIMM1, 1 GB, DDR2 SDRAM, 667 MHz AirPort: spairport_wireless_card_type_airport_extreme, 1.3.5 Bluetooth: Version 2.1.0f17, 2 service, 1 devices, 1 incoming
serial ports Network Service: AirPort, AirPort, en1 Serial ATA Device: FUJITSU MHW2120BH, 111.79 GB Parallel ATA Device: MATSHITADVD-R UJ-857D, 789.4 MB USB Device: Built-in iSight, Micron, high_speed, 500 mA USB Device: Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad, Apple Computer,
full_speed, 500 mA USB Device: General Purpose USB Hub, full_speed, 500 mA USB Device: PCR-1, EDIROL, full_speed, 200 mA USB Device: PCR-1, EDIROL, full_speed, 200 mA USB Device: IR Receiver, Apple Computer, Inc., full_speed, 500 mA USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller, Apple, Inc., full_speed,
500 mALog:
Process: pd [2757] Path: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/ Scripts/../bin/pd Identifier: pd Version: ??? (???) Code Type: X86 (Native) Parent Process: Pd-extended [2752]
Date/Time: 2008-06-27 12:56:20.056 -0300 OS Version: Mac OS X 10.5.3 (9D34) Report Version: 6
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS) Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000000 Crashed Thread: 7
Thread 0: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0xffff0884 __memcpy + 228 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x942665a2 szone_realloc + 2388 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94265c0e malloc_zone_realloc + 88 3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94265b81 realloc + 209 4 pd 0x000440f7
sys_trytogetmoreguibuf + 34 (s_inter.c:614) 5 pd 0x00044251 sys_vgui + 182
(s_inter.c:661) 6 py.pd_darwin 0x013f6fdf
flext_base_multi::SetAttrib(_symbol const*,
flext_base_multi::AttrItem*, flext_multi::AtomList const&) + 159 7 py.pd_darwin 0x013e8eb2 pyobj::__setup__ (flext_class*) + 18 8 py.pd_darwin 0x013f549e
flext_obj_multi::obj_add(bool, bool, bool, bool, char const*, char
const*, void (*)(flext_class*), flext_obj_multi* (*)(int, _atom*),
void (*)(flext_hdr*), int, ...) + 722 9 py.pd_darwin 0x013e7b21 pyobj_setup() + 115 10 py.pd_darwin 0x013f00e8 pybase::lib_setup() +
856 11 py.pd_darwin 0x013f4fd0
flext_obj_multi::lib_init(char const*, void (*)()) + 56 12 py.pd_darwin 0x013f016b py_setup + 37 13 pd 0x0004717f sys_do_load_lib + 615
(s_loader.c:204) 14 pd 0x00047486 sys_load_lib + 43
(s_loader.c:241) 15 pd 0x00041cc7 glob_initfromgui +
355 (s_main.c:228) 16 pd 0x00039f11 pd_typedmess + 737
(m_class.c:703) 17 pd 0x0003d7df binbuf_eval + 1043
(m_binbuf.c:677) 18 pd 0x000448ca socketreceiver_read +
1016 (s_inter.c:553) 19 pd 0x00043983 sys_domicrosleep +
367 (s_inter.c:193) 20 pd 0x000439e8 sys_microsleep + 19
(s_inter.c:216) 21 pd 0x0004185e m_scheduler + 658
(m_sched.c:492) 22 pd 0x00043770 sys_main + 1524
(s_main.c:320) 23 pd 0x000021ae _start + 216 24 pd 0x000020d5 start + 41Thread 1: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4ee
semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d866 _pthread_cond_wait +
1267 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x942d3371 pthread_cond_wait + 48 3 com.grame.JackRouter 0x01103119 CAGuard::Wait() + 73 4 com.grame.JackRouter 0x0110eaf9
HP_Device::ExecuteAllCommands() + 57 5 com.grame.JackRouter 0x0110768e
CommandThread::ThreadEntry(CommandThread*) + 30 6 com.grame.JackRouter 0x011039f1 CAPThread::Entry (CAPThread*) + 129 7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34Thread 2: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4a6 mach_msg_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94262c9c mach_msg + 72 2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x914b50be CFRunLoopRunSpecific
- 1806
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x914b5cf8 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 88 4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910464 HALRunLoop::OwnThread (void*) + 160 5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910300 CAPThread::Entry (CAPThread*) + 96 6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 3: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4a6 mach_msg_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94262c9c mach_msg + 72 2 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x00619f0f
XServerMachPort::ReceiveMessage(int&, void*, int&) + 101 3 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x0060c477 MIDIInPortThread::Run () + 111 4 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x0061007d XThread::RunHelper (void*) + 17 5 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x0061a9ee CAPThread::Entry (CAPThread*) + 96 6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34Thread 4: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b506
semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d84f _pthread_cond_wait +
1244 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428f0d3
pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 47 3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fa47 CAGuard::WaitFor (unsigned long long) + 213 4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96921602 CAGuard::WaitUntil (unsigned long long) + 70 5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fda7 HP_IOThread::WorkLoop () + 759 6 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691faab
HP_IOThread::ThreadEntry(HP_IOThread*) + 17 7 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910300 CAPThread::Entry (CAPThread*) + 96 8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34Thread 5: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b506
semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d84f _pthread_cond_wait +
1244 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428f0d3
pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 47 3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fa47 CAGuard::WaitFor (unsigned long long) + 213 4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96921602 CAGuard::WaitUntil (unsigned long long) + 70 5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fda7 HP_IOThread::WorkLoop () + 759 6 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691faab
HP_IOThread::ThreadEntry(HP_IOThread*) + 17 7 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910300 CAPThread::Entry (CAPThread*) + 96 8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34Thread 6: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4ee
semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d866 _pthread_cond_wait +
1267 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x942d3371 pthread_cond_wait + 48 3 py.pd_darwin 0x013f8a68
flext_multi::ThrCond::Wait() + 34 4 py.pd_darwin 0x013f8b32 flext_multi::ThrHelper (void*) + 178 5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34Thread 7 Crashed: 0 pool.pd_darwin 0x0137516b
lockfree::intrusive_fifo<FifoCell>::dequeue() + 51 1 py.pd_darwin 0x013fd7c9 flext_multi::ToSysMsg (flext_multi::MsgBundle*) + 235 2 py.pd_darwin 0x013fd856
flext_base_multi::QWorker(flext_multi::thr_params*) + 74 3 py.pd_darwin 0x013f8945
flext_multi::ThreadRegistryWorker() + 197 4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34Thread 7 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit): eax: 0x00000000 ebx: 0x013fd71e ecx: 0x0140fbe0 edx: 0xb040ef00 edi: 0x0140fbe0 esi: 0xb040eef8 ebp: 0xb040eec8 esp: 0xb040ee90 ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00010286 eip: 0x0137516b cs: 0x00000017 ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x0000001f gs: 0x00000037 cr2: 0x00000000
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1.4.2) /System/Library/Frameworks/Accelerate.framework/Versions/A/ Accelerate 0x954e0000 - 0x954e2ff5 libRadiance.dylib ??? (???)
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<75b0c8d8940a8a27816961dddcac8e0f> /System/Library/Frameworks/ DiskArbitration.framework/Versions/A/DiskArbitration 0x963a4000 - 0x96877ffe libGLProgrammability.dylib ??? (???)
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<ed7bb95fb94817ea3212090aac5c65f3> /System/Library/Frameworks/ CoreVideo.framework/Versions/A/CoreVideo 0x968d3000 - 0x968f2ffa libJPEG.dylib ??? (???)
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<70bb7c657061631491029a61babe0b26> /System/Library/Frameworks/ CoreAudio.framework/Versions/A/CoreAudio 0x96970000 - 0x96977fe9 libgcc_s.1.dylib ??? (???)
<f53c808e87d1184c0f9df63aef53ce0b> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib 0x969eb000 - 0x96a29ff7 libGLImage.dylib ??? (???)
<093b1b698ca93a0380f5fa262459ea28> /System/Library/Frameworks/ OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libGLImage.dylib 0x96e31000 - 0x96e35fff libmathCommon.A.dylib ??? (???) /usr/lib/ system/libmathCommon.A.dylib 0x96e68000 - 0x96f49ff7 libxml2.2.dylib ??? (???)
<1baef3d4972ee789d8fa6c1fa44da45c> /usr/lib/libxml2.2.dylib 0x96f56000 - 0x972ecfff com.apple.QuartzCore 1.5.3 (1.5.3)
<1b65c05f89e81a499302fd63295b242d> /System/Library/Frameworks/ QuartzCore.framework/Versions/A/QuartzCore 0xfffe8000 - 0xfffebfff libobjc.A.dylib ??? (???) /usr/lib/ libobjc.A.dylib 0xffff0000 - 0xffff1780 libSystem.B.dylib ??? (???) /usr/lib/ libSystem.B.dylib2008/6/23 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org:
I see now. My guess is that this issue is related to the very
large search path caused by having the hexloader and all of the
libraries loaded by default. Could you guys try a couple things:
- take "hexloader" out of the start up libs and try opening
- take all of the libs out of the startup prefs and try opening
The GOP issue seems different that Luke's issue. Could submit a bug
report and post a patch that has this behavior?.hc
On Jun 23, 2008, at 2:40 AM, Matthew Logan wrote:
So it's not just XP then. It makes it hard to even build a patch,
because I'm afraid of using GOP. Start-up of the program itself is no issue. The slow-down occurs
whenever I open my main working patch. It took about 30-45 sec
before (last released pd-extended package). Now it takes 5 1/2
minutes ( I timed it just now). Everytime I edit a section of it,
things take a long time to regen as well. I have some GOPs nested
in other GOPs, so I was wondering if it had to do with that. I
can't think of anything in particular that might cause it, but his
is what I'm experiencing. On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Luke Iannini lukexipd@gmail.com
wrote: Hurrah, great work Hans... Pd is starting to feel quite native on
the Mac.The app-generator is fantastic. I've got quite a few patches
designed for just such a thing.
- the GUI runs slower on some older Macs
It's definitely not just older Macs! I've got a two month old Mac
Pro 2.8x8 that takes 15 minutes to load one of my more complex patches
(as I mentioned in another thread). I never timed it before this development, but it was probably in the 1-2 minute range (which I thought was long at the time :)).I'll start going through the autobuilds to see if I can narrow down when the loading issue began.
Other than that, I'm very happy. Thanks for all your hard work as
always.Cheers Luke
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans@eds.org wrote:For this release, there has been a lot of work in making the GUI
and
user experience much more fluid and easy. There is a new visual
look
that was designed to make patches more readable. Additionally, lots of things have been tweaked to make Pd behave more like a normal
app.
There has already been a lot of testing on these builds, so it is getting quite close to a final version. (Debian/PowerPC is missing now but will come later)
http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
Here is a partial changelog:
next visual appearance designed for readability
default locations for user-installed externals, helpfiles, etc.
GNU/Linux: /usr/local/lib/pd-externals and ~/pd-externals Mac OS X: /Library/Pd and ~/Library/Pd Windows: %ProgramFiles%/Common Files/Pd and %UserProfile%/ Application Data/Pd
lots of standard key bindings added: Enter/Return for OK Escape for Cancel Ctrl/Cmd-W closes all windows on Mac OS X, Cmd-` cycles thru open windows on Mac OS X, Cmd-m minimizes windows Ctrl/Cmd-R raises/lowers Pd window Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-R shrinks/grows Pd window Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-L clears Pd window's text console Ctrl/Cmd-B opens the Help Browser
you can now use "~" in all paths to mean home folder, and on
Windows you can use environment variables, lie %UserProfile% in
paths
- Cut/Copy/Paste now work directly into object and message boxes on
all platforms
fixed Cut/Copy/Paste for the Pd window's console
[declare] and [import] now sorted out for loading (but much work
needs to be done before there namespace support is complete)
"File -> Save As" defaults to the Home folder (~/) on Mac OSX
new patches default to the folder last saved in
included pgp_opengl aka 3dp on GNU/Linux and Mac OS X
'hardware' and 'deprecated' removed from libraries loaded by
default
- On Debian/Ubuntu, the packages now install into /usr rather
than /
usr/local
- On Mac OS X, you can now build "standalone" applications from the
File menu.
KNOWN BUGS
check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs
Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup
preferences
pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd
loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying
to load it
- the GUI runs slower on some older Macs
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Hi Hans,
I didn't open any patch, just PD itself.
cheers, Bernardo
2008/6/27 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org:
Looks like it is a problem with pyext, since that's what is on top of the crashdump. Try it with a patch that doesn't use python.
.hc
On Jun 27, 2008, at 6:01 PM, bbarros wrote:
Hallo Hans,
pd-extended crashes just after launching in my machine. I'm using OS 10.5.3 in a MacBook Pro.
System Configuration:
Model: MacBookPro2,2, BootROM MBP22.00A5.B07, 2 processors, Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.33 GHz, 2 GB Graphics: kHW_ATIr520Item, ATY,RadeonX1600, spdisplays_pcie_device, 256 MB Memory Module: BANK 0/DIMM0, 1 GB, DDR2 SDRAM, 667 MHz Memory Module: BANK 1/DIMM1, 1 GB, DDR2 SDRAM, 667 MHz AirPort: spairport_wireless_card_type_airport_extreme, 1.3.5 Bluetooth: Version 2.1.0f17, 2 service, 1 devices, 1 incoming serial ports Network Service: AirPort, AirPort, en1 Serial ATA Device: FUJITSU MHW2120BH, 111.79 GB Parallel ATA Device: MATSHITADVD-R UJ-857D, 789.4 MB USB Device: Built-in iSight, Micron, high_speed, 500 mA USB Device: Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad, Apple Computer, full_speed, 500 mA USB Device: General Purpose USB Hub, full_speed, 500 mA USB Device: PCR-1, EDIROL, full_speed, 200 mA USB Device: PCR-1, EDIROL, full_speed, 200 mA USB Device: IR Receiver, Apple Computer, Inc., full_speed, 500 mA USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller, Apple, Inc., full_speed, 500 mA
Log:
Process: pd [2757] Path: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../bin/pd Identifier: pd Version: ??? (???) Code Type: X86 (Native) Parent Process: Pd-extended [2752]
Date/Time: 2008-06-27 12:56:20.056 -0300 OS Version: Mac OS X 10.5.3 (9D34) Report Version: 6
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS) Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000000 Crashed Thread: 7
Thread 0: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0xffff0884 __memcpy + 228 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x942665a2 szone_realloc + 2388 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94265c0e malloc_zone_realloc + 88 3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94265b81 realloc + 209 4 pd 0x000440f7 sys_trytogetmoreguibuf + 34 (s_inter.c:614) 5 pd 0x00044251 sys_vgui + 182 (s_inter.c:661) 6 py.pd_darwin 0x013f6fdf flext_base_multi::SetAttrib(_symbol const*, flext_base_multi::AttrItem*, flext_multi::AtomList const&) + 159 7 py.pd_darwin 0x013e8eb2 pyobj::__setup__(flext_class*) + 18 8 py.pd_darwin 0x013f549e flext_obj_multi::obj_add(bool, bool, bool, bool, char const*, char const*, void (*)(flext_class*), flext_obj_multi* (*)(int, _atom*), void (*)(flext_hdr*), int, ...) + 722 9 py.pd_darwin 0x013e7b21 pyobj_setup() + 115 10 py.pd_darwin 0x013f00e8 pybase::lib_setup() + 856 11 py.pd_darwin 0x013f4fd0 flext_obj_multi::lib_init(char const*, void (*)()) + 56 12 py.pd_darwin 0x013f016b py_setup + 37 13 pd 0x0004717f sys_do_load_lib + 615 (s_loader.c:204) 14 pd 0x00047486 sys_load_lib + 43 (s_loader.c:241) 15 pd 0x00041cc7 glob_initfromgui + 355 (s_main.c:228) 16 pd 0x00039f11 pd_typedmess + 737 (m_class.c:703) 17 pd 0x0003d7df binbuf_eval + 1043 (m_binbuf.c:677) 18 pd 0x000448ca socketreceiver_read + 1016 (s_inter.c:553) 19 pd 0x00043983 sys_domicrosleep + 367 (s_inter.c:193) 20 pd 0x000439e8 sys_microsleep + 19 (s_inter.c:216) 21 pd 0x0004185e m_scheduler + 658 (m_sched.c:492) 22 pd 0x00043770 sys_main + 1524 (s_main.c:320) 23 pd 0x000021ae _start + 216 24 pd 0x000020d5 start + 41
Thread 1: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4ee semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d866 _pthread_cond_wait + 1267 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x942d3371 pthread_cond_wait + 48 3 com.grame.JackRouter 0x01103119 CAGuard::Wait() + 73 4 com.grame.JackRouter 0x0110eaf9 HP_Device::ExecuteAllCommands() + 57 5 com.grame.JackRouter 0x0110768e CommandThread::ThreadEntry(CommandThread*) + 30 6 com.grame.JackRouter 0x011039f1 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*)
- 129
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 2: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4a6 mach_msg_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94262c9c mach_msg + 72 2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x914b50be CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1806 3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x914b5cf8 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 88 4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910464 HALRunLoop::OwnThread(void*)
- 160
5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910300 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*)
- 96
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 3: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4a6 mach_msg_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94262c9c mach_msg + 72 2 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x00619f0f XServerMachPort::ReceiveMessage(int&, void*, int&) + 101 3 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x0060c477 MIDIInPortThread::Run() + 111 4 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x0061007d XThread::RunHelper(void*) + 17 5 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x0061a9ee CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*)
- 96
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 4: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b506 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d84f _pthread_cond_wait + 1244 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428f0d3 pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 47 3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fa47 CAGuard::WaitFor(unsigned long long) + 213 4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96921602 CAGuard::WaitUntil(unsigned long long) + 70 5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fda7 HP_IOThread::WorkLoop() + 759 6 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691faab HP_IOThread::ThreadEntry(HP_IOThread*) + 17 7 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910300 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*)
- 96
8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 5: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b506 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d84f _pthread_cond_wait + 1244 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428f0d3 pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 47 3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fa47 CAGuard::WaitFor(unsigned long long) + 213 4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96921602 CAGuard::WaitUntil(unsigned long long) + 70 5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fda7 HP_IOThread::WorkLoop() + 759 6 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691faab HP_IOThread::ThreadEntry(HP_IOThread*) + 17 7 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910300 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*)
- 96
8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 6: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4ee semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d866 _pthread_cond_wait + 1267 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x942d3371 pthread_cond_wait + 48 3 py.pd_darwin 0x013f8a68 flext_multi::ThrCond::Wait()
- 34
4 py.pd_darwin 0x013f8b32 flext_multi::ThrHelper(void*) + 178 5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 7 Crashed: 0 pool.pd_darwin 0x0137516b lockfree::intrusive_fifo<FifoCell>::dequeue() + 51 1 py.pd_darwin 0x013fd7c9 flext_multi::ToSysMsg(flext_multi::MsgBundle*) + 235 2 py.pd_darwin 0x013fd856 flext_base_multi::QWorker(flext_multi::thr_params*) + 74 3 py.pd_darwin 0x013f8945 flext_multi::ThreadRegistryWorker() + 197 4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 7 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit): eax: 0x00000000 ebx: 0x013fd71e ecx: 0x0140fbe0 edx: 0xb040ef00 edi: 0x0140fbe0 esi: 0xb040eef8 ebp: 0xb040eec8 esp: 0xb040ee90 ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00010286 eip: 0x0137516b cs: 0x00000017 ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x0000001f gs: 0x00000037 cr2: 0x00000000
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2008/6/23 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org:
I see now. My guess is that this issue is related to the very large search path caused by having the hexloader and all of the libraries loaded by default. Could you guys try a couple things:
- take "hexloader" out of the start up libs and try opening
- take all of the libs out of the startup prefs and try opening
The GOP issue seems different that Luke's issue. Could submit a bug report and post a patch that has this behavior?
.hc
On Jun 23, 2008, at 2:40 AM, Matthew Logan wrote:
So it's not just XP then. It makes it hard to even build a patch, because I'm afraid of using GOP. Start-up of the program itself is no issue. The slow-down occurs whenever I open my main working patch. It took about 30-45 sec before (last released pd-extended package). Now it takes 5 1/2 minutes ( I timed it just now). Everytime I edit a section of it, things take a long time to regen as well. I have some GOPs nested in other GOPs, so I was wondering if it had to do with that. I can't think of anything in particular that might cause it, but his is what I'm experiencing. On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Luke Iannini lukexipd@gmail.com wrote:
Hurrah, great work Hans... Pd is starting to feel quite native on the Mac.
The app-generator is fantastic. I've got quite a few patches designed for just such a thing.
- the GUI runs slower on some older Macs
It's definitely not just older Macs! I've got a two month old Mac Pro 2.8x8 that takes 15 minutes to load one of my more complex patches (as I mentioned in another thread). I never timed it before this development, but it was probably in the 1-2 minute range (which I thought was long at the time :)).
I'll start going through the autobuilds to see if I can narrow down when the loading issue began.
Other than that, I'm very happy. Thanks for all your hard work as always.
Cheers Luke
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
For this release, there has been a lot of work in making the GUI and user experience much more fluid and easy. There is a new visual look that was designed to make patches more readable. Additionally, lots of things have been tweaked to make Pd behave more like a normal app. There has already been a lot of testing on these builds, so it is getting quite close to a final version. (Debian/PowerPC is missing now but will come later)
http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
Here is a partial changelog:
next visual appearance designed for readability
default locations for user-installed externals, helpfiles, etc.
GNU/Linux: /usr/local/lib/pd-externals and ~/pd-externals Mac OS X: /Library/Pd and ~/Library/Pd Windows: %ProgramFiles%/Common Files/Pd and %UserProfile%/ Application Data/Pd
lots of standard key bindings added: Enter/Return for OK Escape for Cancel Ctrl/Cmd-W closes all windows on Mac OS X, Cmd-` cycles thru open windows on Mac OS X, Cmd-m minimizes windows Ctrl/Cmd-R raises/lowers Pd window Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-R shrinks/grows Pd window Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-L clears Pd window's text console Ctrl/Cmd-B opens the Help Browser
you can now use "~" in all paths to mean home folder, and on
Windows you can use environment variables, lie %UserProfile% in paths
- Cut/Copy/Paste now work directly into object and message boxes on
all platforms
fixed Cut/Copy/Paste for the Pd window's console
[declare] and [import] now sorted out for loading (but much work
needs to be done before there namespace support is complete)
"File -> Save As" defaults to the Home folder (~/) on Mac OSX
new patches default to the folder last saved in
included pgp_opengl aka 3dp on GNU/Linux and Mac OS X
'hardware' and 'deprecated' removed from libraries loaded by default
On Debian/Ubuntu, the packages now install into /usr rather than /
usr/local
- On Mac OS X, you can now build "standalone" applications from the
File menu.
KNOWN BUGS
check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs
Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup
preferences
pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd
loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying
to load it
- the GUI runs slower on some older Macs
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.hc
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, bbarros wrote:
Hi Hans,
I didn't open any patch, just PD itself.
cheers, Bernardo
2008/6/27 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org:
Looks like it is a problem with pyext, since that's what is on top of the crashdump. Try it with a patch that doesn't use python.
.hc
On Jun 27, 2008, at 6:01 PM, bbarros wrote:
Hallo Hans,
pd-extended crashes just after launching in my machine. I'm using OS 10.5.3 in a MacBook Pro.
System Configuration:
Model: MacBookPro2,2, BootROM MBP22.00A5.B07, 2 processors, Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.33 GHz, 2 GB Graphics: kHW_ATIr520Item, ATY,RadeonX1600, spdisplays_pcie_device, 256 MB Memory Module: BANK 0/DIMM0, 1 GB, DDR2 SDRAM, 667 MHz Memory Module: BANK 1/DIMM1, 1 GB, DDR2 SDRAM, 667 MHz AirPort: spairport_wireless_card_type_airport_extreme, 1.3.5 Bluetooth: Version 2.1.0f17, 2 service, 1 devices, 1 incoming serial ports Network Service: AirPort, AirPort, en1 Serial ATA Device: FUJITSU MHW2120BH, 111.79 GB Parallel ATA Device: MATSHITADVD-R UJ-857D, 789.4 MB USB Device: Built-in iSight, Micron, high_speed, 500 mA USB Device: Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad, Apple Computer, full_speed, 500 mA USB Device: General Purpose USB Hub, full_speed, 500 mA USB Device: PCR-1, EDIROL, full_speed, 200 mA USB Device: PCR-1, EDIROL, full_speed, 200 mA USB Device: IR Receiver, Apple Computer, Inc., full_speed, 500 mA USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller, Apple, Inc., full_speed, 500 mA
Log:
Process: pd [2757] Path: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../bin/pd Identifier: pd Version: ??? (???) Code Type: X86 (Native) Parent Process: Pd-extended [2752]
Date/Time: 2008-06-27 12:56:20.056 -0300 OS Version: Mac OS X 10.5.3 (9D34) Report Version: 6
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS) Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000000 Crashed Thread: 7
Thread 0: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0xffff0884 __memcpy + 228 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x942665a2 szone_realloc + 2388 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94265c0e malloc_zone_realloc + 88 3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94265b81 realloc + 209 4 pd 0x000440f7 sys_trytogetmoreguibuf + 34 (s_inter.c:614) 5 pd 0x00044251 sys_vgui + 182 (s_inter.c:661) 6 py.pd_darwin 0x013f6fdf flext_base_multi::SetAttrib(_symbol const*, flext_base_multi::AttrItem*, flext_multi::AtomList const&) + 159 7 py.pd_darwin 0x013e8eb2 pyobj::__setup__(flext_class*) + 18 8 py.pd_darwin 0x013f549e flext_obj_multi::obj_add(bool, bool, bool, bool, char const*, char const*, void (*)(flext_class*), flext_obj_multi* (*)(int, _atom*), void (*)(flext_hdr*), int, ...) + 722 9 py.pd_darwin 0x013e7b21 pyobj_setup() + 115 10 py.pd_darwin 0x013f00e8 pybase::lib_setup() + 856 11 py.pd_darwin 0x013f4fd0 flext_obj_multi::lib_init(char const*, void (*)()) + 56 12 py.pd_darwin 0x013f016b py_setup + 37 13 pd 0x0004717f sys_do_load_lib + 615 (s_loader.c:204) 14 pd 0x00047486 sys_load_lib + 43 (s_loader.c:241) 15 pd 0x00041cc7 glob_initfromgui + 355 (s_main.c:228) 16 pd 0x00039f11 pd_typedmess + 737 (m_class.c:703) 17 pd 0x0003d7df binbuf_eval + 1043 (m_binbuf.c:677) 18 pd 0x000448ca socketreceiver_read + 1016 (s_inter.c:553) 19 pd 0x00043983 sys_domicrosleep + 367 (s_inter.c:193) 20 pd 0x000439e8 sys_microsleep + 19 (s_inter.c:216) 21 pd 0x0004185e m_scheduler + 658 (m_sched.c:492) 22 pd 0x00043770 sys_main + 1524 (s_main.c:320) 23 pd 0x000021ae _start + 216 24 pd 0x000020d5 start + 41
Thread 1: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4ee semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d866 _pthread_cond_wait + 1267 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x942d3371 pthread_cond_wait + 48 3 com.grame.JackRouter 0x01103119 CAGuard::Wait() + 73 4 com.grame.JackRouter 0x0110eaf9 HP_Device::ExecuteAllCommands() + 57 5 com.grame.JackRouter 0x0110768e CommandThread::ThreadEntry(CommandThread*) + 30 6 com.grame.JackRouter 0x011039f1 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*)
- 129
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 2: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4a6 mach_msg_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94262c9c mach_msg + 72 2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x914b50be CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1806 3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x914b5cf8 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 88 4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910464 HALRunLoop::OwnThread(void*)
- 160
5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910300 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*)
- 96
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 3: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4a6 mach_msg_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94262c9c mach_msg + 72 2 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x00619f0f XServerMachPort::ReceiveMessage(int&, void*, int&) + 101 3 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x0060c477 MIDIInPortThread::Run() + 111 4 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x0061007d XThread::RunHelper(void*) + 17 5 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x0061a9ee CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*)
- 96
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 4: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b506 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d84f _pthread_cond_wait + 1244 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428f0d3 pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 47 3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fa47 CAGuard::WaitFor(unsigned long long) + 213 4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96921602 CAGuard::WaitUntil(unsigned long long) + 70 5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fda7 HP_IOThread::WorkLoop() + 759 6 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691faab HP_IOThread::ThreadEntry(HP_IOThread*) + 17 7 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910300 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*)
- 96
8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 5: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b506 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d84f _pthread_cond_wait + 1244 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428f0d3 pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 47 3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fa47 CAGuard::WaitFor(unsigned long long) + 213 4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96921602 CAGuard::WaitUntil(unsigned long long) + 70 5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fda7 HP_IOThread::WorkLoop() + 759 6 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691faab HP_IOThread::ThreadEntry(HP_IOThread*) + 17 7 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910300 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*)
- 96
8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 6: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4ee semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d866 _pthread_cond_wait + 1267 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x942d3371 pthread_cond_wait + 48 3 py.pd_darwin 0x013f8a68 flext_multi::ThrCond::Wait()
- 34
4 py.pd_darwin 0x013f8b32 flext_multi::ThrHelper(void*) + 178 5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 7 Crashed: 0 pool.pd_darwin 0x0137516b lockfree::intrusive_fifo<FifoCell>::dequeue() + 51 1 py.pd_darwin 0x013fd7c9 flext_multi::ToSysMsg(flext_multi::MsgBundle*) + 235 2 py.pd_darwin 0x013fd856 flext_base_multi::QWorker(flext_multi::thr_params*) + 74 3 py.pd_darwin 0x013f8945 flext_multi::ThreadRegistryWorker() + 197 4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 7 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit): eax: 0x00000000 ebx: 0x013fd71e ecx: 0x0140fbe0 edx: 0xb040ef00 edi: 0x0140fbe0 esi: 0xb040eef8 ebp: 0xb040eec8 esp: 0xb040ee90 ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00010286 eip: 0x0137516b cs: 0x00000017 ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x0000001f gs: 0x00000037 cr2: 0x00000000
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2008/6/23 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org:
I see now. My guess is that this issue is related to the very large search path caused by having the hexloader and all of the libraries loaded by default. Could you guys try a couple things:
- take "hexloader" out of the start up libs and try opening
- take all of the libs out of the startup prefs and try opening
The GOP issue seems different that Luke's issue. Could submit a bug report and post a patch that has this behavior?
.hc
On Jun 23, 2008, at 2:40 AM, Matthew Logan wrote:
So it's not just XP then. It makes it hard to even build a patch, because I'm afraid of using GOP. Start-up of the program itself is no issue. The slow-down occurs whenever I open my main working patch. It took about 30-45 sec before (last released pd-extended package). Now it takes 5 1/2 minutes ( I timed it just now). Everytime I edit a section of it, things take a long time to regen as well. I have some GOPs nested in other GOPs, so I was wondering if it had to do with that. I can't think of anything in particular that might cause it, but his is what I'm experiencing. On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Luke Iannini lukexipd@gmail.com wrote:
Hurrah, great work Hans... Pd is starting to feel quite native on the Mac.
The app-generator is fantastic. I've got quite a few patches designed for just such a thing.
- the GUI runs slower on some older Macs
It's definitely not just older Macs! I've got a two month old Mac Pro 2.8x8 that takes 15 minutes to load one of my more complex patches (as I mentioned in another thread). I never timed it before this development, but it was probably in the 1-2 minute range (which I thought was long at the time :)).
I'll start going through the autobuilds to see if I can narrow down when the loading issue began.
Other than that, I'm very happy. Thanks for all your hard work as always.
Cheers Luke
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
For this release, there has been a lot of work in making the GUI and user experience much more fluid and easy. There is a new visual look that was designed to make patches more readable. Additionally, lots of things have been tweaked to make Pd behave more like a normal app. There has already been a lot of testing on these builds, so it is getting quite close to a final version. (Debian/PowerPC is missing now but will come later)
http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
Here is a partial changelog:
next visual appearance designed for readability
default locations for user-installed externals, helpfiles, etc.
GNU/Linux: /usr/local/lib/pd-externals and ~/pd-externals Mac OS X: /Library/Pd and ~/Library/Pd Windows: %ProgramFiles%/Common Files/Pd and %UserProfile%/ Application Data/Pd
lots of standard key bindings added: Enter/Return for OK Escape for Cancel Ctrl/Cmd-W closes all windows on Mac OS X, Cmd-` cycles thru open windows on Mac OS X, Cmd-m minimizes windows Ctrl/Cmd-R raises/lowers Pd window Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-R shrinks/grows Pd window Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-L clears Pd window's text console Ctrl/Cmd-B opens the Help Browser
you can now use "~" in all paths to mean home folder, and on
Windows you can use environment variables, lie %UserProfile% in paths
- Cut/Copy/Paste now work directly into object and message boxes on
all platforms
fixed Cut/Copy/Paste for the Pd window's console
[declare] and [import] now sorted out for loading (but much work
needs to be done before there namespace support is complete)
"File -> Save As" defaults to the Home folder (~/) on Mac OSX
new patches default to the folder last saved in
included pgp_opengl aka 3dp on GNU/Linux and Mac OS X
'hardware' and 'deprecated' removed from libraries loaded by default
On Debian/Ubuntu, the packages now install into /usr rather than /
usr/local
- On Mac OS X, you can now build "standalone" applications from the
File menu.
KNOWN BUGS
check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs
Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup
preferences
pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd
loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying
to load it
- the GUI runs slower on some older Macs
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hi Bernardo! it sounds like pyext is causing the pb. you actually might have to compile it by yourself. i put some notes here for linux http://samovar.tuxfamily.org/ateliers/doku.php?id=install_linux#thomas_grill... but you should be able to compile it for mac if you need it. best regards, Vincent
bbarros a écrit :
Hallo Hans,
pd-extended crashes just after launching in my machine. I'm using OS 10.5.3 in a MacBook Pro.
System Configuration:
Model: MacBookPro2,2, BootROM MBP22.00A5.B07, 2 processors, Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.33 GHz, 2 GB Graphics: kHW_ATIr520Item, ATY,RadeonX1600, spdisplays_pcie_device, 256 MB Memory Module: BANK 0/DIMM0, 1 GB, DDR2 SDRAM, 667 MHz Memory Module: BANK 1/DIMM1, 1 GB, DDR2 SDRAM, 667 MHz AirPort: spairport_wireless_card_type_airport_extreme, 1.3.5 Bluetooth: Version 2.1.0f17, 2 service, 1 devices, 1 incoming serial ports Network Service: AirPort, AirPort, en1 Serial ATA Device: FUJITSU MHW2120BH, 111.79 GB Parallel ATA Device: MATSHITADVD-R UJ-857D, 789.4 MB USB Device: Built-in iSight, Micron, high_speed, 500 mA USB Device: Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad, Apple Computer, full_speed, 500 mA USB Device: General Purpose USB Hub, full_speed, 500 mA USB Device: PCR-1, EDIROL, full_speed, 200 mA USB Device: PCR-1, EDIROL, full_speed, 200 mA USB Device: IR Receiver, Apple Computer, Inc., full_speed, 500 mA USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller, Apple, Inc., full_speed, 500 mA
Log:
Process: pd [2757] Path:
/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../bin/pd Identifier: pd Version: ??? (???) Code Type: X86 (Native) Parent Process: Pd-extended [2752]Date/Time: 2008-06-27 12:56:20.056 -0300 OS Version: Mac OS X 10.5.3 (9D34) Report Version: 6
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS) Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000000 Crashed Thread: 7
Thread 0: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0xffff0884 __memcpy + 228 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x942665a2 szone_realloc + 2388 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94265c0e malloc_zone_realloc + 88 3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94265b81 realloc + 209 4 pd 0x000440f7 sys_trytogetmoreguibuf + 34 (s_inter.c:614) 5 pd 0x00044251 sys_vgui + 182 (s_inter.c:661) 6 py.pd_darwin 0x013f6fdf flext_base_multi::SetAttrib(_symbol const*, flext_base_multi::AttrItem*, flext_multi::AtomList const&) + 159 7 py.pd_darwin 0x013e8eb2 pyobj::__setup__(flext_class*) + 18 8 py.pd_darwin 0x013f549e flext_obj_multi::obj_add(bool, bool, bool, bool, char const*, char const*, void (*)(flext_class*), flext_obj_multi* (*)(int, _atom*), void (*)(flext_hdr*), int, ...) + 722 9 py.pd_darwin 0x013e7b21 pyobj_setup() + 115 10 py.pd_darwin 0x013f00e8 pybase::lib_setup() + 856 11 py.pd_darwin 0x013f4fd0 flext_obj_multi::lib_init(char const*, void (*)()) + 56 12 py.pd_darwin 0x013f016b py_setup + 37 13 pd 0x0004717f sys_do_load_lib + 615 (s_loader.c:204) 14 pd 0x00047486 sys_load_lib + 43 (s_loader.c:241) 15 pd 0x00041cc7 glob_initfromgui + 355 (s_main.c:228) 16 pd 0x00039f11 pd_typedmess + 737 (m_class.c:703) 17 pd 0x0003d7df binbuf_eval + 1043 (m_binbuf.c:677) 18 pd 0x000448ca socketreceiver_read + 1016 (s_inter.c:553) 19 pd 0x00043983 sys_domicrosleep + 367 (s_inter.c:193) 20 pd 0x000439e8 sys_microsleep + 19 (s_inter.c:216) 21 pd 0x0004185e m_scheduler + 658 (m_sched.c:492) 22 pd 0x00043770 sys_main + 1524 (s_main.c:320) 23 pd 0x000021ae _start + 216 24 pd 0x000020d5 start + 41
Thread 1: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4ee semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d866 _pthread_cond_wait + 1267 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x942d3371 pthread_cond_wait + 48 3 com.grame.JackRouter 0x01103119 CAGuard::Wait() + 73 4 com.grame.JackRouter 0x0110eaf9 HP_Device::ExecuteAllCommands() + 57 5 com.grame.JackRouter 0x0110768e CommandThread::ThreadEntry(CommandThread*) + 30 6 com.grame.JackRouter 0x011039f1 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 129 7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 2: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4a6 mach_msg_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94262c9c mach_msg + 72 2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x914b50be CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1806 3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x914b5cf8 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 88 4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910464 HALRunLoop::OwnThread(void*) + 160 5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910300 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96 6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 3: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4a6 mach_msg_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x94262c9c mach_msg + 72 2 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x00619f0f XServerMachPort::ReceiveMessage(int&, void*, int&) + 101 3 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x0060c477 MIDIInPortThread::Run() + 111 4 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x0061007d XThread::RunHelper(void*)
- 17
5 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x0061a9ee CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96 6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 4: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b506 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d84f _pthread_cond_wait + 1244 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428f0d3 pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 47 3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fa47 CAGuard::WaitFor(unsigned long long) + 213 4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96921602 CAGuard::WaitUntil(unsigned long long) + 70 5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fda7 HP_IOThread::WorkLoop() + 759 6 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691faab HP_IOThread::ThreadEntry(HP_IOThread*) + 17 7 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910300 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96 8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 5: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b506 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d84f _pthread_cond_wait + 1244 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428f0d3 pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 47 3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fa47 CAGuard::WaitFor(unsigned long long) + 213 4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96921602 CAGuard::WaitUntil(unsigned long long) + 70 5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691fda7 HP_IOThread::WorkLoop() + 759 6 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9691faab HP_IOThread::ThreadEntry(HP_IOThread*) + 17 7 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96910300 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96 8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 6: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9425b4ee semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428d866 _pthread_cond_wait + 1267 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x942d3371 pthread_cond_wait + 48 3 py.pd_darwin 0x013f8a68 flext_multi::ThrCond::Wait() + 34 4 py.pd_darwin 0x013f8b32 flext_multi::ThrHelper(void*) + 178 5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 7 Crashed: 0 pool.pd_darwin 0x0137516b lockfree::intrusive_fifo<FifoCell>::dequeue() + 51 1 py.pd_darwin 0x013fd7c9 flext_multi::ToSysMsg(flext_multi::MsgBundle*) + 235 2 py.pd_darwin 0x013fd856 flext_base_multi::QWorker(flext_multi::thr_params*) + 74 3 py.pd_darwin 0x013f8945 flext_multi::ThreadRegistryWorker() + 197 4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321 5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 7 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit): eax: 0x00000000 ebx: 0x013fd71e ecx: 0x0140fbe0 edx: 0xb040ef00 edi: 0x0140fbe0 esi: 0xb040eef8 ebp: 0xb040eec8 esp: 0xb040ee90 ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00010286 eip: 0x0137516b cs: 0x00000017 ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x0000001f gs: 0x00000037 cr2: 0x00000000
Binary Images: 0x1000 - 0x88ff3 +pd ??? (???)
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2008/6/23 Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@eds.org mailto:hans@eds.org>:
I see now. My guess is that this issue is related to the very large search path caused by having the hexloader and all of the libraries loaded by default. Could you guys try a couple things: - take "hexloader" out of the start up libs and try opening - take all of the libs out of the startup prefs and try opening The GOP issue seems different that Luke's issue. Could submit a bug report and post a patch that has this behavior? .hc On Jun 23, 2008, at 2:40 AM, Matthew Logan wrote:So it's not just XP then. It makes it hard to even build a patch, because I'm afraid of using GOP. Start-up of the program itself is no issue. The slow-down occurs whenever I open my main working patch. It took about 30-45 sec before (last released pd-extended package). Now it takes 5 1/2 minutes ( I timed it just now). Everytime I edit a section of it, things take a long time to regen as well. I have some GOPs nested in other GOPs, so I was wondering if it had to do with that. I can't think of anything in particular that might cause it, but his is what I'm experiencing. On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Luke Iannini <lukexipd@gmail.com <mailto:lukexipd@gmail.com>> wrote: Hurrah, great work Hans... Pd is starting to feel quite native on the Mac. The app-generator is fantastic. I've got quite a few patches designed for just such a thing. > - the GUI runs slower on some older Macs It's definitely not just older Macs! I've got a two month old Mac Pro 2.8x8 that takes 15 minutes to load one of my more complex patches (as I mentioned in another thread). I never timed it before this development, but it was probably in the 1-2 minute range (which I thought was long at the time :)). I'll start going through the autobuilds to see if I can narrow down when the loading issue began. Other than that, I'm very happy. Thanks for all your hard work as always. Cheers Luke On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@eds.org <mailto:hans@eds.org>> wrote: > > For this release, there has been a lot of work in making the GUI and > user experience much more fluid and easy. There is a new visual look > that was designed to make patches more readable. Additionally, lots > of things have been tweaked to make Pd behave more like a normal app. > There has already been a lot of testing on these builds, so it is > getting quite close to a final version. (Debian/PowerPC is missing > now but will come later) > > http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html > > Here is a partial changelog: > > - next visual appearance designed for readability > > - default locations for user-installed externals, helpfiles, etc. > GNU/Linux: /usr/local/lib/pd-externals and ~/pd-externals > Mac OS X: /Library/Pd and ~/Library/Pd > Windows: %ProgramFiles%/Common Files/Pd and %UserProfile%/ > Application Data/Pd > > - lots of standard key bindings added: > Enter/Return for OK > Escape for Cancel > Ctrl/Cmd-W closes all windows > on Mac OS X, Cmd-` cycles thru open windows > on Mac OS X, Cmd-m minimizes windows > Ctrl/Cmd-R raises/lowers Pd window > Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-R shrinks/grows Pd window > Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-L clears Pd window's text console > Ctrl/Cmd-B opens the Help Browser > > - you can now use "~" in all paths to mean home folder, and on > Windows you can use environment variables, lie %UserProfile% in paths > > - Cut/Copy/Paste now work directly into object and message boxes on > all platforms > > - fixed Cut/Copy/Paste for the Pd window's console > > - [declare] and [import] now sorted out for loading (but much work > needs to be done before there namespace support is complete) > > - "File -> Save As" defaults to the Home folder (~/) on Mac OSX > > - new patches default to the folder last saved in > > - included pgp_opengl aka 3dp on GNU/Linux and Mac OS X > > - 'hardware' and 'deprecated' removed from libraries loaded by default > > - On Debian/Ubuntu, the packages now install into /usr rather than / > usr/local > > - On Mac OS X, you can now build "standalone" applications from the > File menu. > > KNOWN BUGS > > - check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs > > - Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup > preferences > > - pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd > > - loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying > to load it > > - the GUI runs slower on some older Macs > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---- > > I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and > during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man > for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General > Smedley Butler > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-announce mailing list > Pd-announce@iem.at <mailto:Pd-announce@iem.at> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "[W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity." -John Gilmore _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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10 minutes to load a patch that used to take 10-15 seconds!!
also, a minor bug:
when i first opened the application, i couldn't access the preferences without opening an untitled patch first. and then, when i added my abstractions directory to the paths, pd froze.
i did a 'force quit', and reopened pd, and the new path seems to have been added ok though.
Please submit a bug report. I haven't been able to reproduce the
slowness on Ubuntu or Mac OS X.
.hc
On Jun 29, 2008, at 3:19 AM, hard off wrote:
10 minutes to load a patch that used to take 10-15 seconds!!
also, a minor bug:
when i first opened the application, i couldn't access the
preferences without opening an untitled patch first. and then,
when i added my abstractions directory to the paths, pd froze.i did a 'force quit', and reopened pd, and the new path seems to
have been added ok though.
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Oops, and include an example patch.
.hc
On Jun 29, 2008, at 3:19 AM, hard off wrote:
10 minutes to load a patch that used to take 10-15 seconds!!
also, a minor bug:
when i first opened the application, i couldn't access the
preferences without opening an untitled patch first. and then,
when i added my abstractions directory to the paths, pd froze.i did a 'force quit', and reopened pd, and the new path seems to
have been added ok though.
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controls you." - Richard M. Stallman
hans, i have found the source of my problem. sorry for not adding this to the bug-tracker, as i don't check that, but i do check this mailing list often.
for some totally weird reason, this version of extended won't let me load sssad.pd
i added the path to the sssad folder, and that's no problem.
but when i try to create a sssad object, the following happens:
pd 'thinks' for about 10 seconds, then the console is bombarded with:
libdir_loader: added 'sssad' to the canvas-local objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'sssad' to the canvas-local objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'sssad' to the canvas-local objectclass path
...about 1000 times, and then finally says:
error: maximum object loading depth 1000 reached sssad ... couldn't create
if i change the name of sssad.pd to anything else ( eg. sssad2.pd ) then it loads fine as an abstraction.
if i open the sssad.pd patch by itself, then that also works.
but for some reason, i cannot create [sssad] as an abstraction in another patch.
this is on mac os 10.49 intel
by the way, if i just type gibberish into an object box (eq. [brrgghh] ) then pd only takes about a second to see that as unidentified object and gives me dotted red lines around the object box.
i have no idea why sssad would be acting this way.
arrghh. sorry for so many mails.
one more thing: i did remove my old preference files, so i don't think that's part of the problem.
I think someone brought this up in another thread. I had the same problem and it seems that abstractions with the same name as their folder don't load. All you have to do is change the folder name, or the patch. I think the folder is better to change, as you only have to change the path to the folder and the folder name, whereas you will have to change every instance of the abstraction in any patch you make if you change the abstraction name.
Matt
On 6/29/08, hard off hard.off@gmail.com wrote:
arrghh. sorry for so many mails.
one more thing: i did remove my old preference files, so i don't think that's part of the problem.
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Hallo, hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote:
by the way, if i just type gibberish into an object box (eq. [brrgghh] ) then pd only takes about a second to see that as unidentified object and gives me dotted red lines around the object box.
i have no idea why sssad would be acting this way.
I remotely remember from some past mail here that the libdir loader doesn't handle objects in "libraries" that have the same name as the "library" gracefully. You could try to rename sssad.pd to something else, (like "ssad.pd") and check if you can create both [sssad/ssad] and [ssad] objects. If you can, then that problem still remains.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
frank, that does sound like a source of this error. i think the problem is though, that the sssad abstraction is now included in pd-extended. so the included version would need to be modified in order for it to work.
Hallo, hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote:
frank, that does sound like a source of this error. i think the problem is though, that the sssad abstraction is now included in pd-extended. so the included version would need to be modified in order for it to work.
pd-extended could rename the path it's installing sssad.pd in, but that would break old patches using the "sssad/sssad" name to specify the object. Renaming sssad.pd would break even more patches.
IMO the libdir loader or whatever is doing the recursive loading has to be modified.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote:
frank, that does sound like a source of this error. i think the problem is though, that the sssad abstraction is now included in pd-extended. so the included version would need to be modified in order for it to work.
pd-extended could rename the path it's installing sssad.pd in, but that would break old patches using the "sssad/sssad" name to specify the object. Renaming sssad.pd would break even more patches.
IMO the libdir loader or whatever is doing the recursive loading has to be modified.
As a workaround for now I would recommend to add extra/sssad to your Pd search path in the traditional way: "-path .../extra/sssad" and then use [sssad] as object name. (I don't think, much is gained by having to include a prefix like "sssad/" to a library that just includes a single classname anyway.)
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
As a workaround for now I would recommend to add extra/sssad to your
Pd search path in the traditional way: "-path .../extra/sssad" and then use [sssad] as object name. (I don't think, much is gained by having to include a prefix like "sssad/" to a library that just includes a single classname anyway.)<<
that still doesn't work here.
moving sssad and the associated files out of the enclosing folder, directly into the extra folder doesn't help either.
this is reallly making me sssad ;.(
Hallo, hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote:
As a workaround for now I would recommend to add extra/sssad to your
Pd search path in the traditional way: "-path .../extra/sssad" and then use [sssad] as object name. (I don't think, much is gained by having to include a prefix like "sssad/" to a library that just includes a single classname anyway.)<<
that still doesn't work here.
moving sssad and the associated files out of the enclosing folder, directly into the extra folder doesn't help either.
Did you also remove the default loading of sssad in the preferences? I don't know how pd-extended specifies it (I don't use pd-ext.), but probably some option with "-lib sssad" or "-libdir sssad" or so. You should remove that and only use "-path /extra/sssad"
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
as far as i can see, there is only the 'path' flag, and changing that does not fix the problem. only changing the actual name of the sssad.pd file works.
Hallo, hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote:
as far as i can see, there is only the 'path' flag, and changing that does not fix the problem. only changing the actual name of the sssad.pd file works.
Okay, that's serious: -path then seems to be broken in pd-extended, too. I guess, Hans would appreciate a bug report.
(If you want to rename something, don't rename sssad.pd, rename the directory.)
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
Hallo, hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote:
as far as i can see, there is only the 'path' flag, and changing that does not fix the problem. only changing the actual name of the sssad.pd file works.
Oh, and can you maybe check, if pd-extended broke [list-abs] as well? There is an abstraction called list-abs.pd in the list-abs directory to take the absolute of a list. It should be broken, too.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
yep, list-abs is broken too.
today i did a search for all sssad files / folders on my computer and deleted them all. i was quite sure that none of these folders were in pd's search path, but i guess i was wrong.
after deleting all instances of sssad, and then re-installing this new version of pd extended, i was able to make sssad work by renaming the sssad folder, and then setting a path to the new folder name.
then, even easier, i just took all the stuff out of the sssad folder and placed it directly into the extra folder and that also works.
but this is just a temporary fix. maybe we can get the libdir loader fixed?
On Jul 1, 2008, at 8:17 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote:
as far as i can see, there is only the 'path' flag, and changing
that does not fix the problem. only changing the actual name of the
sssad.pd file works.Oh, and can you maybe check, if pd-extended broke [list-abs] as well? There is an abstraction called list-abs.pd in the list-abs directory to take the absolute of a list. It should be broken, too.
[list-abs] seems to work, for whatever reason. For now, I am going
to remove sssad from the package, so it'll be easier to install it
manually. Then I'll deal with that bug when I can.
.hc
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hans, [list-abs] definitely doesn't work for me here...i get exactly the same error that i had previously got with sssad.
if you give me some info libdir loader, then i'll see if i can find out if there is a solution to this problem already.
oh.
libdir loader $Revision: 1.8 $ written by Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at
hard off wrote:
oh.
libdir loader $Revision: 1.8 $ written by Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at mailto:hans@at.or.at>
is the hexloader active? (it probably should be removed again...)
gfam,dr IOhannes
yep hexloader is still on in extended-RC3
hex loader $Revision: 1.5 $ written by IOhannes m zmölnig, IEM zmoelnig@iem.at compiled on Jun 27 2008 at 03:24:22 compiled against Pd version 0.40.3.extended-20080627
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 6:19 PM, hard off hard.off@gmail.com wrote:
10 minutes to load a patch that used to take 10-15 seconds!!
Alright, so I narrowed the big jump in loadtimes to between May 18th (about the same as Vanilla) and May 22nd (between 3-4x slower). The 18th is when the hexloader was added, so I pulled it out of my most recent build and the time went right back to normal.
So, sorry to pick on the hexloader some more : ) but it seems it is the culprit. Can anyone confirm?
Cheers Luke
i found my problem, which was that pd was going nuts trying to find sssad. once i sorted that out, the loading of my patches didn't take so long.
Luke Iannini wrote:
So, sorry to pick on the hexloader some more : ) but it seems it is the culprit. Can anyone confirm?
it makes sense.
could you send me the complete output of the pd-console when loading your patch with "-verbose". (might get big; so zip it and send it to me privately; or put it somewhere online...)
i am not sure how to handle the problem generally yet. ideas are:
- remove the recursive library search in hexloader (no more hexloading
for non-C externals; who is using that anyhow? libdir doesn't seem to like hexloader so much anyhow)
- remove the the HEXLOADER_PATCHES functionality (it seems to be not
working anyhow)
- remove the entire hexloader quirks and just claim that you cannot
write objects with filenames containing special characters.
after all the endless struggles with hexloader, i start tending towards the last one...
fgmasdr IOhannes
I removed the hexloader from my startup, and the time to load for my main patch dropped down from 5 1/2 min to 1 min. Wonderful.
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 1:37 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:
Luke Iannini wrote:
So, sorry to pick on the hexloader some more : ) but it seems it is the culprit. Can anyone confirm?
it makes sense.
could you send me the complete output of the pd-console when loading your patch with "-verbose". (might get big; so zip it and send it to me privately; or put it somewhere online...)
i am not sure how to handle the problem generally yet. ideas are:
- remove the recursive library search in hexloader (no more hexloading
for non-C externals; who is using that anyhow? libdir doesn't seem to like hexloader so much anyhow)
- remove the the HEXLOADER_PATCHES functionality (it seems to be not
working anyhow)
- remove the entire hexloader quirks and just claim that you cannot
write objects with filenames containing special characters.
after all the endless struggles with hexloader, i start tending towards the last one...
fgmasdr IOhannes
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IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
- remove the entire hexloader quirks and just claim that you cannot
write objects with filenames containing special characters.
should it work on osx? it never worked for me. i reported it a couple of times and last time i checked the bugtracker there was a very old open bug report about that.
the best i ever had was that it loaded an abstraction with expr~ inside that could not create.
it would be very nice to have a fully working zexy on pd-extended for all platforms.
load_object: Symbol "0x3c0x7e_setup" not found error: BUG: no pd_objectmaker found <~ ... couldn't create
Pd-0.40.3-extended-20080622 on 10.5.3 (not the newest one)
eni
Enrique Erne wrote:
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
- remove the entire hexloader quirks and just claim that you cannot
write objects with filenames containing special characters.
should it work on osx? it never worked for me. i reported it a couple of times and last time i checked the bugtracker there was a very old open bug report about that.
the best i ever had was that it loaded an abstraction with expr~ inside that could not create.
it would be very nice to have a fully working zexy on pd-extended for all platforms.
well, if Pd extended would include zexy in a way that was supported upstream (by me) - that is: as multi-object library - we would have no problems at all.
i have tried quite some things to make the single-object approach work, but frankly, i am beginning to feel tired about these fruitless effords.
fmgasdr. IOhannes
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 1:37 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:
Luke Iannini wrote:
So, sorry to pick on the hexloader some more : ) but it seems it is the culprit. Can anyone confirm?
it makes sense.
could you send me the complete output of the pd-console when loading your patch with "-verbose". (might get big; so zip it and send it to me privately; or put it somewhere online...)
Hi IOhannes, Sorry for the wait, I had a busy week. Here's the output... I put it online in case anyone else is interested. (I cleared the initial output messages, so it starts immediately after I click off the [sft.coral] object) Big indeed; 616 megs, be ready for that (luckily it's ideal for compression: 20.4megs zipped).* And this is only one module... if I had tried the patch where I load 16 of them I would have run out of HD space (not to mention RAM); glad I didn't : ). http://www.proyekto.net/sndrft/GiantLoad.txt.zip
It occurred to me that it might make sense to cache the last known location of an object and try that location first? Or is that a hack... I don't know. But it seems it would help all loaders to do so.
Also, I'm guessing stripping down my Pd-prefs to include a minimum of directories would greatly help, yea? Or, put another way, it's a good argument to accelerate use of [import].
Best Luke
i am not sure how to handle the problem generally yet. ideas are:
- remove the recursive library search in hexloader (no more hexloading
for non-C externals; who is using that anyhow? libdir doesn't seem to like hexloader so much anyhow)
- remove the the HEXLOADER_PATCHES functionality (it seems to be not
working anyhow)
- remove the entire hexloader quirks and just claim that you cannot
write objects with filenames containing special characters.
after all the endless struggles with hexloader, i start tending towards the last one...
fgmasdr IOhannes
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On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Luke Iannini lukexipd@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 1:37 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:
Luke Iannini wrote:
So, sorry to pick on the hexloader some more : ) but it seems it is the culprit. Can anyone confirm?
it makes sense.
could you send me the complete output of the pd-console when loading your patch with "-verbose". (might get big; so zip it and send it to me privately; or put it somewhere online...)
Hi IOhannes, Sorry for the wait, I had a busy week. Here's the output... I put it online in case anyone else is interested. (I cleared the initial output messages, so it starts immediately after I click off the [sft.coral] object) Big indeed; 616 megs, be ready for that (luckily it's ideal for compression: 20.4megs zipped).* And this is only one module... if I had tried the patch where I load 16 of them I would have run out of HD space (not to mention RAM); glad I didn't : ). http://www.proyekto.net/sndrft/GiantLoad.txt.zip
It occurred to me that it might make sense to cache the last known location of an object and try that location first? Or is that a hack... I don't know. But it seems it would help all loaders to do so.
Also, I'm guessing stripping down my Pd-prefs to include a minimum of directories would greatly help, yea? Or, put another way, it's a good argument to accelerate use of [import].
Could anyone comment on this? I'd be interested to know whether this is actually good practice (minimizing one's path entries), and I'd also be interested in the feasibility of the caching idea (and equally interested in why (if) it's a bad idea)
Cheers Luke
i am not sure how to handle the problem generally yet. ideas are:
- remove the recursive library search in hexloader (no more hexloading
for non-C externals; who is using that anyhow? libdir doesn't seem to like hexloader so much anyhow)
- remove the the HEXLOADER_PATCHES functionality (it seems to be not
working anyhow)
- remove the entire hexloader quirks and just claim that you cannot
write objects with filenames containing special characters.
after all the endless struggles with hexloader, i start tending towards the last one...
fgmasdr IOhannes
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On Jul 21, 2008, at 6:28 PM, Luke Iannini wrote:
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Luke Iannini lukexipd@gmail.com
wrote:On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 1:37 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig
zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:Luke Iannini wrote:
So, sorry to pick on the hexloader some more : ) but it seems it is the culprit. Can anyone confirm?
it makes sense.
could you send me the complete output of the pd-console when loading your patch with "-verbose". (might get big; so zip it and send it
to me privately; or put it somewhere online...)Hi IOhannes, Sorry for the wait, I had a busy week. Here's the output... I put it online in case anyone else is interested. (I cleared the initial output messages, so it starts immediately after I click off the [sft.coral] object) Big indeed; 616 megs, be ready for that (luckily it's ideal for compression: 20.4megs zipped).* And this is only one module... if I had tried the patch where I load 16 of them I would have run out of HD space (not to mention RAM); glad I didn't : ). http://www.proyekto.net/sndrft/GiantLoad.txt.zip
It occurred to me that it might make sense to cache the last known location of an object and try that location first? Or is that a hack... I don't know. But it seems it would help all loaders to do so.
Also, I'm guessing stripping down my Pd-prefs to include a minimum of directories would greatly help, yea? Or, put another way, it's a
good argument to accelerate use of [import].Could anyone comment on this? I'd be interested to know whether this is actually good practice (minimizing one's path entries), and I'd also be interested in the feasibility of the caching idea (and equally interested in why (if) it's a bad idea)
Caching would speed up load times, but would also add complexity and
would mean that you would have to restart or clear the cache if you
changed I think a better bet would be to reduce the search path.
The grand plan is to have no libraries loaded by default. Then the
library configuration would be completely embedded in the patch, like
python does with import.
.hc
Cheers Luke
i am not sure how to handle the problem generally yet. ideas are:
- remove the recursive library search in hexloader (no more
hexloading for non-C externals; who is using that anyhow? libdir doesn't
seem to like hexloader so much anyhow)
- remove the the HEXLOADER_PATCHES functionality (it seems to be not
working anyhow)
- remove the entire hexloader quirks and just claim that you cannot
write objects with filenames containing special characters.
after all the endless struggles with hexloader, i start tending
towards the last one...fgmasdr IOhannes
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Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
The grand plan is to have no libraries loaded by default. Then the
library configuration would be completely embedded in the patch, like
python does with import.
$ python Python 2.4.4c0 (#2, Jul 30 2006, 15:43:58) [GCC 4.1.2 20060715 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-9)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
sin(0.5)
Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? NameError: name 'sin' is not defined
math.sin(0.5)
Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? NameError: name 'math' is not defined
import math math.sin(0.5)
0.47942553860420301
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
The grand plan is to have no libraries loaded by default. Then the
library configuration would be completely embedded in the patch, like
python does with import.$ python Python 2.4.4c0 (#2, Jul 30 2006, 15:43:58) [GCC 4.1.2 20060715 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-9)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
sin(0.5)
Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? NameError: name 'sin' is not defined
math.sin(0.5)
Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? NameError: name 'math' is not defined
import math math.sin(0.5)
0.47942553860420301
Ciao
is this a good idea? pd comes with a set of tools, I don't see a reason why I should import [bang] before I can use it. I (don't) want to be treated like a child in a sandpit here: "mummy, can I have the shovel?" "say please" "please can I have the shovel?" "you know, my darling, this shovel is from toys "r" us... can you say, mummy please can I have the shovel from toys "r" us?" "please can I have the shovel from toys "r" us?" "cutie! say thank you" "thank you" "kiss mummy!" kiss... marius.
- On 2008-07-22 marius schebella marius.schebella@gmail.com wrote :
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
The grand plan is to have no libraries loaded by default. Then the
library configuration would be completely embedded in the patch, like
python does with import.$ python Python 2.4.4c0 (#2, Jul 30 2006, 15:43:58) [GCC 4.1.2 20060715 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-9)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
sin(0.5)
Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? NameError: name 'sin' is not defined
math.sin(0.5)
Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? NameError: name 'math' is not defined
import math math.sin(0.5)
0.47942553860420301
Ciao
is this a good idea? pd comes with a set of tools, I don't see a reason why I should import [bang] before I can use it. I (don't) want to be treated like a child in a sandpit here: "mummy, can I have the shovel?" "say please" "please can I have the shovel?" "you know, my darling, this shovel is from toys "r" us... can you say, mummy please can I have the shovel from toys "r" us?" "please can I have the shovel from toys "r" us?" "cutie! say thank you" "thank you" "kiss mummy!" kiss... marius.
Or the other version:
"mummy, can I have the shovel" "which shovel, dear, the red one or the blue one" "the blue one" "here you are dear"
Next time, you'll learn to ask for one of the specific shovels right away: red/shovel or blue/shovel.
Ico Doornekamp wrote:
- On 2008-07-22 marius schebella marius.schebella@gmail.com wrote :
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
The grand plan is to have no libraries loaded by default. Then the
library configuration would be completely embedded in the patch, like
python does with import.$ python Python 2.4.4c0 (#2, Jul 30 2006, 15:43:58) [GCC 4.1.2 20060715 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-9)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
sin(0.5)
Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? NameError: name 'sin' is not defined
math.sin(0.5)
Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? NameError: name 'math' is not defined
import math math.sin(0.5)
0.47942553860420301
Ciao
is this a good idea? pd comes with a set of tools, I don't see a reason why I should import [bang] before I can use it. I (don't) want to be treated like a child in a sandpit here: "mummy, can I have the shovel?" "say please" "please can I have the shovel?" "you know, my darling, this shovel is from toys "r" us... can you say, mummy please can I have the shovel from toys "r" us?" "please can I have the shovel from toys "r" us?" "cutie! say thank you" "thank you" "kiss mummy!" kiss... marius.
Or the other version:
"mummy, can I have the shovel" "which shovel, dear, the red one or the blue one" "the blue one" "here you are dear"
Next time, you'll learn to ask for one of the specific shovels right away: red/shovel or blue/shovel.
no, there is only one shovel, if I want to change the color, I send it a message [color 13(. The above examples are bad schoolmasterly ways of doing it. to me these conceptual and programming decisions are backround informations that I don't want to hassle with as a user. pushing the decision blue.shovel vs. red.shovel to the user is imho conservative and uncreative. and btw any categorisation system is outdated/wrong in so many cases. I want to see pd more as a colloquial language that I can actually use, as opposed to a philosophical one, where I have to explain every word. communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.I communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.will communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.pack communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.my communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.us-corporate.apple.macbookpro.laptop communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.and communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.leave communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.time.now.
marius.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 09:56:58AM -0400, marius schebella wrote:
Frank Barknecht wrote:
$ python Python 2.4.4c0 (#2, Jul 30 2006, 15:43:58) [GCC 4.1.2 20060715 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-9)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>sin(0.5)
Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? NameError: name 'sin' is not defined
>math.sin(0.5)
Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? NameError: name 'math' is not defined
>import math >math.sin(0.5)
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as opposed to a philosophical one, where I have to explain every word. communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.and communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.leave
In Python you can also say:
from math import sin sin(0.5)
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or even
from math import *
so for your examples you'd say:
from communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word import * and leave
The reason for this is that if you import absolutely everything into your global namespace by default, you pollute it and cause conflicts and name clashes. This has been discussed several times on the list and is a terrible idea. This has also been solved 100% by languages like Python already, as illustrated by Frank above.
Things like [bang] are core types of the language and should probably be imported into the global namespace by default.
Best,
Chris.
Hallo, Chris McCormick hat gesagt: // Chris McCormick wrote:
In Python you can also say:
from math import sin sin(0.5)
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or even
from math import *
so for your examples you'd say:
from communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word import * and leave
The reason for this is that if you import absolutely everything into your global namespace by default, you pollute it and cause conflicts and name clashes. > This has been discussed several times on the list and is a terrible idea. This has also been solved 100% by languages like Python already, as illustrated by Frank above.
I think, another issue is what Pd should be like: more like Python with it's huge set of builtin, importable libraries or more like Lua with a very small core of just the necessary tools to get things running. As my example showed, in Python *everything* has to be imported except the builtin operators. In Lua you can directly call "math.sin(x)" without importing. But in Lua, you cannot import "xml.sax.xmlreader.IncrementalParser" as in Python, because Lua doesn't ship with such things.
Pd-extended obviously has the Python model in mind, while I would prefer a more minimalistic, Lua-like Pd, as the latter is much easier to maintain, especially with a chaotic artsy community like ours.
Then there are other problems: I don't think, there's an "import" or "require" for Pd, that works. AFAICT there's not even an agreement on how it *should* work (see the "declare -path" discussion). Before such an agreement is reached, code is fruitless. Even dangerous, as it adds more variables to consider when making decisions.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Pd-extended obviously has the Python model in mind, while I would prefer a more minimalistic, Lua-like Pd,
A really nice thing in python is that it comes with batteries included. You might have to import something from a lib, but it's always there on any platform.
For a beginner like me, something similar with pd makes it easier to get started...
On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Chris McCormick hat gesagt: // Chris McCormick wrote:
In Python you can also say:
from math import sin sin(0.5)
0.47942553860420301
or even
from math import *
so for your examples you'd say:
from communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word import * and leave
The reason for this is that if you import absolutely everything into your global namespace by default, you pollute it and cause
conflicts and name clashes. > This has been discussed several times on the list
and is a terrible idea. This has also been solved 100% by languages like
Python already, as illustrated by Frank above.I think, another issue is what Pd should be like: more like Python with it's huge set of builtin, importable libraries or more like Lua with a very small core of just the necessary tools to get things running. As my example showed, in Python *everything* has to be imported except the builtin operators. In Lua you can directly call "math.sin(x)" without importing. But in Lua, you cannot import "xml.sax.xmlreader.IncrementalParser" as in Python, because Lua doesn't ship with such things.
Pd-extended obviously has the Python model in mind, while I would prefer a more minimalistic, Lua-like Pd, as the latter is much easier to maintain, especially with a chaotic artsy community like ours.
Then there are other problems: I don't think, there's an "import" or "require" for Pd, that works. AFAICT there's not even an agreement on how it *should* work (see the "declare -path" discussion). Before such an agreement is reached, code is fruitless. Even dangerous, as it adds more variables to consider when making decisions.
I think python may be a bit too strict I think [math/sin] should
always work without having to import (so I guess that's like Lua).
To me a key difference between the Python and Lua approaches are a
matter of scale. Python aims to be a platform for programs of any
size. Lua aims for small scale programming and even just configuration.
As for included libraries, what is most important to me is to reduce
the time spent reinventing the wheel, and then also installing and
managing libraries. When many libraries are included, then you spend
much less time reinventing the wheel and managing libraries. But it
means more work for the developers. If we can figure out how to
better distribute the work, then Pd-extended will work better.
.hc
Ciao
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Hans, thank you for doing that. I have some remarks though:
Am 2008-06-23 um 06:58 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:
- default locations for user-installed externals, helpfiles, etc. Mac OS X: /Library/Pd and ~/Library/Pd
i still think it should rather be /Library/Application Support/Pd
- lots of standard key bindings added: Enter/Return for OK Escape for Cancel Ctrl/Cmd-W closes all windows
error when doing that on the text editor.
on Mac OS X, Cmd-` cycles thru open windows
this is quite useless on a german keyboard, since cycling through
windows is
cmd-< and cmd->
for the "`" i have to press shift as well and its in the opposite
corner of the keyboard. no other program uses it.
On Jun 23, 2008, at 5:58 AM, Max Neupert wrote:
Hans, thank you for doing that. I have some remarks though:
Am 2008-06-23 um 06:58 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:
- default locations for user-installed externals, helpfiles, etc. Mac OS X: /Library/Pd and ~/Library/Pd
i still think it should rather be /Library/Application Support/Pd
Yeah, it should, but Pd doesn't always handle spaces in directories
so well. I think we could make this switch for the next release,
then we'll have time to find all the problems with spaces. Could you
file a bug report?
- lots of standard key bindings added: Enter/Return for OK Escape for Cancel Ctrl/Cmd-W closes all windows
error when doing that on the text editor.
ok
on Mac OS X, Cmd-` cycles thru open windows
this is quite useless on a german keyboard, since cycling through windows is cmd-< and cmd-> for the "`" i have to press shift as well and its in the opposite corner of the keyboard. no other program uses it.
Hmm ok, cmd-< and cmd-> don't work on a US keyboard, at least in
TextEdit.app. Could you file a bug report on that?
.hc
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