I would love to receive daily digest without Mathieu's unnecessary / arrogant comments. Is there a way to filter his posts?
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 21:35, mahatGma rabintrah mahatgma@gmail.com wrote:
I would love to receive daily digest without Mathieu's unnecessary / arrogant comments. Is there a way to filter his posts? _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Yes. In gmail you go to settings > filters > create a new filter
I'd personally, however, recommend against it. I find Mathieu's remarks usually very smart and educative and/or inspiring. I wish I could attend a class by him, and I mean it. On the other hand, if find he does unnecessarily depart from the point sometimes. But if you filter out him (or any single person) you'll lose whole threads of interesting talk.
Peace,
András
Sorry, I overlooked that you wanted to have the daily digest filtered. I guess the answer is no :)
András
Mathieu's comments are usually made in the spirit of inquiry and debate- I enjoy reading them as much as all the other posts here, so I (respectfully) disagree with your comments have said about him.
Previously I have filtered people from pd-list after complaining about them to admin (for being abusive) and this is something I have since regretted
Overall, I think the tone of late has become too belligerent, lets get some good will together.
Ta Alan
2012/3/9 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Sorry, I overlooked that you wanted to have the daily digest filtered. I guess the answer is no :)
András
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Hey folks
Maybe I'm out of touch here, or hypersensitive (I quit smoking far too long ago for it to be that, but I can totally sympathize with those for whom it's fresh - hell, I still miss it 15 years later)...
As I understand it, if there are complaints about the behaviour of a specific member of the list, the first step is to approach the list administrators. Is this correct?
And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if they're not written down, correct?
I took a bit of a break (about a year and a half) from regularly reading the pd-list while I completed some schooling. Since getting back to following the list, I've noticed a big change in the tone. I have to agree with Alan Brooker:
Overall, I think the tone of late has become too belligerent, lets get some good will together.
Had the mood on pd-list been like this when I started with Pd, I probably wouldn't have stuck around. Instead, I found it an incredibly supportive, open and generous community. That's one of Pd's strengths, isn't it?
cheers dafydd
I'm changing the subject so that a discussion about the change in tone of this list doesn't carry the unfair implication that it's due to one member.
I don't see a problem complaining about the netiquette of a list member, but I just ask that it be clear, constructive criticism. -Jonathan
From: Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com To: ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2010@gmail.com Cc: mahatGma rabintrah mahatgma@gmail.com; pd-list@iem.at Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a way to block/filter Mathieu ?
Hey folks
Maybe I'm out of touch here, or hypersensitive (I quit smoking far too long ago for it to be that, but I can totally sympathize with those for whom it's fresh - hell, I still miss it 15 years later)...
As I understand it, if there are complaints about the behaviour of a specific member of the list, the first step is to approach the list administrators. Is this correct?
And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if they're not written down, correct?
I took a bit of a break (about a year and a half) from regularly reading the pd-list while I completed some schooling. Since getting back to following the list, I've noticed a big change in the tone. I have to agree with Alan Brooker:
Overall, I think the tone of late has become too belligerent, lets get some good will together.
Had the mood on pd-list been like this when I started with Pd, I probably wouldn't have stuck around. Instead, I found it an incredibly supportive, open and generous community. That's one of Pd's strengths, isn't it?
cheers dafydd
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Put far more clearly and effectively than I did. Thanks Jonathan.
On 2012-03-10, at 12:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
I'm changing the subject so that a discussion about the change in tone of this list doesn't carry the unfair implication that it's due to one member.
I don't see a problem complaining about the netiquette of a list member, but I just ask that it be clear, constructive criticism.
-Jonathan
From: Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com To: ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2010@gmail.com Cc: mahatGma rabintrah mahatgma@gmail.com; pd-list@iem.at Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a way to block/filter Mathieu ?
Hey folks
Maybe I'm out of touch here, or hypersensitive (I quit smoking far too long ago for it to be that, but I can totally sympathize with those for whom it's fresh - hell, I still miss it 15 years later)...
As I understand it, if there are complaints about the behaviour of a specific member of the list, the first step is to approach the list administrators. Is this correct?
And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if they're not written down, correct?
I took a bit of a break (about a year and a half) from regularly reading the pd-list while I completed some schooling. Since getting back to following the list, I've noticed a big change in the tone. I have to agree with Alan Brooker:
Overall, I think the tone of late has become too belligerent, lets get some good will together.
Had the mood on pd-list been like this when I started with Pd, I probably wouldn't have stuck around. Instead, I found it an incredibly supportive, open and generous community. That's one of Pd's strengths, isn't it?
cheers dafydd
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i'll chime in first - as i am a new member of the list, and having trawled a fair number of discussion lists searching for material, i would say the PD list is kinder than most. i find the discussion on the list largely constructive (if not always relevant to my interests) with only an occasional sniping war starting up often based on someone's wording. lists are tricky things and writing doesn't always convey sarcasm or joking behavior effectively. thus someone gets offended and the flame war ensues. whenever this happens all of our inboxes get stuffed with the petty bickering and soon requests for filtering or banning members can follow.
so far, i have not seen anyone regularly posting on this list whose positive and constructive contributions did not far outweigh their occasional negative aspects. i haven't read any posts lately that i find insulting and regular enough to consider banning them. if it were so, i would certainly mention it or support a motion to ban them. if we are referring to Mathieu Bouchard you should be aware that a large portion of his work inspired the current GUI direction of PD-extended discussed on this list, from his original DesireData variant of PD. that is enough for me to give him some measure of leeway when he chooses to express displeasure at others on the list, although i did not agree with his viewpoint that HC was taking credit for work he didn't deserve. Mathieu seems to want to move PD forward as much as the rest of us based on what i've read, but as always there will be some differences as to the best way to do it while keeping the values of open source collaboration intact.
scott
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com wrote:
Put far more clearly and effectively than I did. Thanks Jonathan.
On 2012-03-10, at 12:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
I'm changing the subject so that a discussion about the change in tone of this list doesn't carry the unfair implication that it's due to one
member.
I don't see a problem complaining about the netiquette of a list member, but I just ask that it be clear, constructive criticism.
-Jonathan
From: Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com To: ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2010@gmail.com Cc: mahatGma rabintrah mahatgma@gmail.com; pd-list@iem.at Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a way to block/filter Mathieu ?
Hey folks
Maybe I'm out of touch here, or hypersensitive (I quit smoking far too long ago for it to be that, but I can totally sympathize with those for whom it's fresh - hell, I still miss it 15 years later)...
As I understand it, if there are complaints about the behaviour of a specific member of the list, the first step is to approach the list administrators. Is this correct?
And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if they're not written down, correct?
I took a bit of a break (about a year and a half) from regularly reading the pd-list while I completed some schooling. Since getting back to following the list, I've noticed a big change in the tone. I have to agree with Alan Brooker:
Overall, I think the tone of late has become too belligerent, lets get some good will together.
Had the mood on pd-list been like this when I started with Pd, I probably wouldn't have stuck around. Instead, I found it an incredibly supportive, open and generous community. That's one of Pd's strengths, isn't it?
cheers dafydd
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Hey Scott
Ok - maybe I'm just being cranky (which I'm extra good at). Glad to hear this is still a welcoming place for newcomers. And to be clear, I'm definitely not talking about Mathieu. I've always appreciated his contributions.
Cheers Dafydd
On 2012-03-10, at 1:37 PM, "Scott R. Looney" scottrlooney@gmail.com wrote:
i'll chime in first - as i am a new member of the list, and having trawled a fair number of discussion lists searching for material, i would say the PD list is kinder than most. i find the discussion on the list largely constructive (if not always relevant to my interests) with only an occasional sniping war starting up often based on someone's wording. lists are tricky things and writing doesn't always convey sarcasm or joking behavior effectively. thus someone gets offended and the flame war ensues. whenever this happens all of our inboxes get stuffed with the petty bickering and soon requests for filtering or banning members can follow.
so far, i have not seen anyone regularly posting on this list whose positive and constructive contributions did not far outweigh their occasional negative aspects. i haven't read any posts lately that i find insulting and regular enough to consider banning them. if it were so, i would certainly mention it or support a motion to ban them. if we are referring to Mathieu Bouchard you should be aware that a large portion of his work inspired the current GUI direction of PD-extended discussed on this list, from his original DesireData variant of PD. that is enough for me to give him some measure of leeway when he chooses to express displeasure at others on the list, although i did not agree with his viewpoint that HC was taking credit for work he didn't deserve. Mathieu seems to want to move PD forward as much as the rest of us based on what i've read, but as always there will be some differences as to the best way to do it while keeping the values of open source collaboration intact.
scott
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com wrote:
Put far more clearly and effectively than I did. Thanks Jonathan.
On 2012-03-10, at 12:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
I'm changing the subject so that a discussion about the change in tone of this list doesn't carry the unfair implication that it's due to one
member.
I don't see a problem complaining about the netiquette of a list member, but I just ask that it be clear, constructive criticism.
-Jonathan
From: Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com To: ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2010@gmail.com Cc: mahatGma rabintrah mahatgma@gmail.com; pd-list@iem.at Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a way to block/filter Mathieu ?
Hey folks
Maybe I'm out of touch here, or hypersensitive (I quit smoking far too long ago for it to be that, but I can totally sympathize with those for whom it's fresh - hell, I still miss it 15 years later)...
As I understand it, if there are complaints about the behaviour of a specific member of the list, the first step is to approach the list administrators. Is this correct?
And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if they're not written down, correct?
I took a bit of a break (about a year and a half) from regularly reading the pd-list while I completed some schooling. Since getting back to following the list, I've noticed a big change in the tone. I have to agree with Alan Brooker:
Overall, I think the tone of late has become too belligerent, lets get some good will together.
Had the mood on pd-list been like this when I started with Pd, I probably wouldn't have stuck around. Instead, I found it an incredibly supportive, open and generous community. That's one of Pd's strengths, isn't it?
cheers dafydd
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sorry - looks like i wasn't being completely clear with that last statement. it started out as a request to filter a particular member from the list. the 'you should be aware' quote was more generally directed at everyone, not a particular individual in question. as in 'if someone was going to single out another on this list, they should be aware of their positive contributions'. no offense or accusation was implied.
best,
scott
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Scott
Ok - maybe I'm just being cranky (which I'm extra good at). Glad to hear this is still a welcoming place for newcomers. And to be clear, I'm definitely not talking about Mathieu. I've always appreciated his contributions.
Cheers Dafydd
On 2012-03-10, at 1:37 PM, "Scott R. Looney" scottrlooney@gmail.com wrote:
i'll chime in first - as i am a new member of the list, and having trawled a fair number of discussion lists searching for material, i would say the PD list is kinder than most. i find the discussion on the list largely constructive (if not always relevant to my interests) with only an occasional sniping war starting up often based on someone's wording. lists are tricky things and writing doesn't always convey sarcasm or joking behavior effectively. thus someone gets offended and the flame war ensues. whenever this happens all of our inboxes get stuffed with the petty bickering and soon requests for filtering or banning members can follow.
so far, i have not seen anyone regularly posting on this list whose positive and constructive contributions did not far outweigh their occasional negative aspects. i haven't read any posts lately that i find insulting and regular enough to consider banning them. if it were so, i would certainly mention it or support a motion to ban them. if we are referring to Mathieu Bouchard you should be aware that a large portion of his work inspired the current GUI direction of PD-extended discussed on this list, from his original DesireData variant of PD. that is enough for me to give him some measure of leeway when he chooses to express displeasure at others on the list, although i did not agree with his viewpoint that HC was taking credit for work he didn't deserve. Mathieu seems to want to move PD forward as much as the rest of us based on what i've read, but as always there will be some differences as to the best way to do it while keeping the values of open source collaboration intact.
scott
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com wrote:
Put far more clearly and effectively than I did. Thanks Jonathan.
On 2012-03-10, at 12:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
I'm changing the subject so that a discussion about the change in tone of this list doesn't carry the unfair implication that it's due to one
member.
I don't see a problem complaining about the netiquette of a list member, but I just ask that it be clear, constructive criticism.
-Jonathan
From: Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com To: ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2010@gmail.com Cc: mahatGma rabintrah mahatgma@gmail.com; pd-list@iem.at Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a way to block/filter Mathieu ?
Hey folks
Maybe I'm out of touch here, or hypersensitive (I quit smoking far too long ago for it to be that, but I can totally sympathize with those for whom it's fresh - hell, I still miss it 15 years later)...
As I understand it, if there are complaints about the behaviour of a specific member of the list, the first step is to approach the list administrators. Is this correct?
And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if they're not written down, correct?
I took a bit of a break (about a year and a half) from regularly reading the pd-list while I completed some schooling. Since getting back to following the list, I've noticed a big change in the tone. I have to agree with Alan Brooker:
Overall, I think the tone of late has become too belligerent, lets get some good will together.
Had the mood on pd-list been like this when I started with Pd, I probably wouldn't have stuck around. Instead, I found it an incredibly supportive, open and generous community. That's one of Pd's strengths, isn't it?
cheers dafydd
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->
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Hey Scott - yeah I figured that was the case.
Now let's make some art!
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Scott R. Looney scottrlooney@gmail.com wrote:
sorry - looks like i wasn't being completely clear with that last statement. it started out as a request to filter a particular member from the list. the 'you should be aware' quote was more generally directed at everyone, not a particular individual in question. as in 'if someone was going to single out another on this list, they should be aware of their positive contributions'. no offense or accusation was implied.
best,
scott
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Scott
Ok - maybe I'm just being cranky (which I'm extra good at). Glad to hear this is still a welcoming place for newcomers. And to be clear, I'm definitely not talking about Mathieu. I've always appreciated his contributions.
Cheers Dafydd
On 2012-03-10, at 1:37 PM, "Scott R. Looney" scottrlooney@gmail.com wrote:
i'll chime in first - as i am a new member of the list, and having trawled a fair number of discussion lists searching for material, i would say the PD list is kinder than most. i find the discussion on the list largely constructive (if not always relevant to my interests) with only an occasional sniping war starting up often based on someone's wording. lists are tricky things and writing doesn't always convey sarcasm or joking behavior effectively. thus someone gets offended and the flame war ensues. whenever this happens all of our inboxes get stuffed with the petty bickering and soon requests for filtering or banning members can follow.
so far, i have not seen anyone regularly posting on this list whose positive and constructive contributions did not far outweigh their occasional negative aspects. i haven't read any posts lately that i find insulting and regular enough to consider banning them. if it were so, i would certainly mention it or support a motion to ban them. if we are referring to Mathieu Bouchard you should be aware that a large portion of his work inspired the current GUI direction of PD-extended discussed on this list, from his original DesireData variant of PD. that is enough for me to give him some measure of leeway when he chooses to express displeasure at others on the list, although i did not agree with his viewpoint that HC was taking credit for work he didn't deserve. Mathieu seems to want to move PD forward as much as the rest of us based on what i've read, but as always there will be some differences as to the best way to do it while keeping the values of open source collaboration intact.
scott
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com wrote:
Put far more clearly and effectively than I did. Thanks Jonathan.
On 2012-03-10, at 12:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
I'm changing the subject so that a discussion about the change in tone of this list doesn't carry the unfair implication that it's due to one member.
I don't see a problem complaining about the netiquette of a list member, but I just ask that it be clear, constructive criticism.
-Jonathan
From: Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com To: ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2010@gmail.com Cc: mahatGma rabintrah mahatgma@gmail.com; pd-list@iem.at Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a way to block/filter Mathieu ?
Hey folks
Maybe I'm out of touch here, or hypersensitive (I quit smoking far too long ago for it to be that, but I can totally sympathize with those for whom it's fresh - hell, I still miss it 15 years later)...
As I understand it, if there are complaints about the behaviour of a specific member of the list, the first step is to approach the list administrators. Is this correct?
And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if they're not written down, correct?
I took a bit of a break (about a year and a half) from regularly reading the pd-list while I completed some schooling. Since getting back to following the list, I've noticed a big change in the tone. I have to agree with Alan Brooker:
Overall, I think the tone of late has become too belligerent, lets get some good will together.
Had the mood on pd-list been like this when I started with Pd, I probably wouldn't have stuck around. Instead, I found it an incredibly supportive, open and generous community. That's one of Pd's strengths, isn't it?
cheers dafydd
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I'll be honest, I've been on the PD mailing list a couple of years now, since my final year at university. I've found it a generally welcoming and 'troll free' online community. It's something very positive about the list.
That being said, my level of involvement does keep me from getting in to some of the more in-depth discussions, so I can't speak for all the traffic on here. But I've never noticed a tone or content problem on here
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:20:06 -0500 From: dafydd61@gmail.com To: scottrlooney@gmail.com CC: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] list etiquette
Hey Scott - yeah I figured that was the case.
Now let's make some art!
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Scott R. Looney scottrlooney@gmail.com wrote:
sorry - looks like i wasn't being completely clear with that last statement. it started out as a request to filter a particular member from the list. the 'you should be aware' quote was more generally directed at everyone, not a particular individual in question. as in 'if someone was going to single out another on this list, they should be aware of their positive contributions'. no offense or accusation was implied.
best,
scott
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Scott
Ok - maybe I'm just being cranky (which I'm extra good at). Glad to hear this is still a welcoming place for newcomers. And to be clear, I'm definitely not talking about Mathieu. I've always appreciated his contributions.
Cheers Dafydd
On 2012-03-10, at 1:37 PM, "Scott R. Looney" scottrlooney@gmail.com wrote:
i'll chime in first - as i am a new member of the list, and having trawled a fair number of discussion lists searching for material, i would say the PD list is kinder than most. i find the discussion on the list largely constructive (if not always relevant to my interests) with only an occasional sniping war starting up often based on someone's wording. lists are tricky things and writing doesn't always convey sarcasm or joking behavior effectively. thus someone gets offended and the flame war ensues. whenever this happens all of our inboxes get stuffed with the petty bickering and soon requests for filtering or banning members can follow.
so far, i have not seen anyone regularly posting on this list whose positive and constructive contributions did not far outweigh their occasional negative aspects. i haven't read any posts lately that i find insulting and regular enough to consider banning them. if it were so, i would certainly mention it or support a motion to ban them. if we are referring to Mathieu Bouchard you should be aware that a large portion of his work inspired the current GUI direction of PD-extended discussed on this list, from his original DesireData variant of PD. that is enough for me to give him some measure of leeway when he chooses to express displeasure at others on the list, although i did not agree with his viewpoint that HC was taking credit for work he didn't deserve. Mathieu seems to want to move PD forward as much as the rest of us based on what i've read, but as always there will be some differences as to the best way to do it while keeping the values of open source collaboration intact.
scott
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com wrote:
Put far more clearly and effectively than I did. Thanks Jonathan.
On 2012-03-10, at 12:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
I'm changing the subject so that a discussion about the change in tone of this list doesn't carry the unfair implication that it's due to one member.
I don't see a problem complaining about the netiquette of a list member, but I just ask that it be clear, constructive criticism.
-Jonathan
From: Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com To: ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2010@gmail.com Cc: mahatGma rabintrah mahatgma@gmail.com; pd-list@iem.at Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a way to block/filter Mathieu ?
Hey folks
Maybe I'm out of touch here, or hypersensitive (I quit smoking far too long ago for it to be that, but I can totally sympathize with those for whom it's fresh - hell, I still miss it 15 years later)...
As I understand it, if there are complaints about the behaviour of a specific member of the list, the first step is to approach the list administrators. Is this correct?
And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if they're not written down, correct?
I took a bit of a break (about a year and a half) from regularly reading the pd-list while I completed some schooling. Since getting back to following the list, I've noticed a big change in the tone. I have to agree with Alan Brooker:
> Overall, I think the tone of late has become too belligerent, lets > get > some good will together.
Had the mood on pd-list been like this when I started with Pd, I probably wouldn't have stuck around. Instead, I found it an incredibly supportive, open and generous community. That's one of Pd's strengths, isn't it?
cheers dafydd
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On 3/10/12, Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com wrote:
And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if they're not written down, correct?
fuck no!
Pd expands boundaries of what is music and art. Why expect any boundaries on the list? The same norm you're expecting might not be shared by other people who use the list too.
I don't care for some things said on the list, but all you can really do is try to convince other people to see things your way. People just use etiquette on the list because they want to.
Ha! Point taken. Sorry - I never intended to come across as some kind of politeness police.
On 2012-03-10, at 6:36 PM, Charles Henry czhenry@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/10/12, Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com wrote:
And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if they're not written down, correct?
fuck no!
Pd expands boundaries of what is music and art. Why expect any boundaries on the list? The same norm you're expecting might not be shared by other people who use the list too.
I don't care for some things said on the list, but all you can really do is try to convince other people to see things your way. People just use etiquette on the list because they want to.
i think my favorite quote on list behavior is actually a picture:
i've composed long, angry tirades and deleted them based on this.
scott
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com wrote:
Ha! Point taken. Sorry - I never intended to come across as some kind of politeness police.
On 2012-03-10, at 6:36 PM, Charles Henry czhenry@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/10/12, Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com wrote:
And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if they're not written down, correct?
fuck no!
Pd expands boundaries of what is music and art. Why expect any boundaries on the list? The same norm you're expecting might not be shared by other people who use the list too.
I don't care for some things said on the list, but all you can really do is try to convince other people to see things your way. People just use etiquette on the list because they want to.
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It seems few people have actually read and acknowledged the netiquette.
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Am 11.03.2012 um 02:46 schrieb Scott R. Looney:
i think my favorite quote on list behavior is actually a picture:
i've composed long, angry tirades and deleted them based on this.
scott
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com wrote: Ha! Point taken. Sorry - I never intended to come across as some kind of politeness police.
On 2012-03-10, at 6:36 PM, Charles Henry czhenry@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/10/12, Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com wrote:
And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if they're not written down, correct?
fuck no!
Pd expands boundaries of what is music and art. Why expect any boundaries on the list? The same norm you're expecting might not be shared by other people who use the list too.
I don't care for some things said on the list, but all you can really do is try to convince other people to see things your way. People just use etiquette on the list because they want to.
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If you're going to talk comics: (warning: NSFW)...
http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19
Truth be told. tho, this list is not so bad.
From: abonnements@revolwear.com Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 03:51:58 +0100 To: scottrlooney@gmail.com CC: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] list etiquette
It seems few people have actually read and acknowledged the netiquette.
Reminder: http://puredata.info/community/lists/Netiquette
Am 11.03.2012 um 02:46 schrieb Scott R. Looney:
i think my favorite quote on list behavior is actually a picture:
i've composed long, angry tirades and deleted them based on this.
scott
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com wrote: Ha! Point taken. Sorry - I never intended to come across as some kind of politeness police.
On 2012-03-10, at 6:36 PM, Charles Henry czhenry@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/10/12, Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com wrote:
And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if they're not written down, correct?
fuck no!
Pd expands boundaries of what is music and art. Why expect any boundaries on the list? The same norm you're expecting might not be shared by other people who use the list too.
I don't care for some things said on the list, but all you can really do is try to convince other people to see things your way. People just use etiquette on the list because they want to.
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Scott R. Looney wrote:
i think my favorite quote on list behavior is actually a picture: http://xkcd.com/438/
complemented by that one: http://xkcd.com/386/ "can't sleep, someone is wrong on the internet"
fuck no!
Pd expands boundaries of what is music and art. Why expect any boundaries on the list? The same norm you're expecting might not be shared by other people who use the list too.
Just wish to clarify what I think is being discussed here which is not necessary the language but how the language is used to against others in an abusive way. For instance Mr.Y makes an announcement and the first reply from Mr. X is " fuck off". Or Mrs. V posts something to the list where the subject singles out another subscriber in a disparaging way and has nothing to do with Pd at all. This isn't heated debate.
The norms I am expecting are the basics of just being civil, to act in the ways described above in person would be anti-social behaviour .
I don't care for some things said on the list, but all you can really do is try to convince other people to see things your way.
yes, your right here, that is all that can be done.
Free thought and expression on the list takes president , but when someone is singled out unfairly or having abuse thrown at them it is something I feel the need to complain about.
..............or maybe I'm just troll fodder :/
Bingo.
On 2012-03-11, at 6:30 AM, ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2010@gmail.com wrote:
fuck no!
Pd expands boundaries of what is music and art. Why expect any boundaries on the list? The same norm you're expecting might not be shared by other people who use the list too.
Just wish to clarify what I think is being discussed here which is not necessary the language but how the language is used to against others in an abusive way. For instance Mr.Y makes an announcement and the first reply from Mr. X is " fuck off". Or Mrs. V posts something to the list where the subject singles out another subscriber in a disparaging way and has nothing to do with Pd at all. This isn't heated debate.
The norms I am expecting are the basics of just being civil, to act in the ways described above in person would be anti-social behaviour .
I don't care for some things said on the list, but all you can really do is try to convince other people to see things your way.
yes, your right here, that is all that can be done.
Free thought and expression on the list takes president , but when someone is singled out unfairly or having abuse thrown at them it is something I feel the need to complain about.
..............or maybe I'm just troll fodder :/
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From: Charles Henry czhenry@gmail.com To: Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at; mahatGma rabintrah mahatgma@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [PD] list etiquette
On 3/10/12, Dafydd Hughes dafydd61@gmail.com wrote:
And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if they're not written down, correct?
fuck no!
Didactic cursing doesn't violate the norm. But cursing (without provocation) at a new user who is asking for technical advice about Pd would violate the norm. If you do that you will get a very different response than you have here.
Pd expands boundaries of what is music and art. Why expect any boundaries on the list? The same norm you're expecting might not be shared by other people who use the list too.
Expanding boundaries implies boundaries.
I don't care for some things said on the list, but all you can really do is try to convince other people to see things your way. People just use etiquette on the list because they want to.
That's exactly how norms become widely accepted!
In the parent thread someone's entire argument was undermined by their use of etiquette, so I don't think everybody is using it just because they want etiquette.
-Jonathan
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mahatgma@gmail.com, this is your second post to the list, and you're already complaining about a member who has been here practically from its inception?
pull your head in, mate.
wouv, I was not aware of the strong hierarchy within this community. So, you imply that the "wanna-be gurus" on the top has right to piss off everyone and the incompetent members should obey/be quiet?
I would like to have the option of not seeing his comments in the cost of missing the completeness of the threads. Anyway it looks impossible for now.
mahatGma rabintrah wrote:
I would like to have the option of not seeing his comments in the cost of missing the completeness of the threads. Anyway it looks impossible for now.
Answer: read the procmail examples manual, there's an example of how to dispatch daily digests into individual emails, then apply a rule to delete mails from unwanted senders.
You can also read the sed/awk/perl/python/whatever manpage and learn about regular expressions so you can extract/modify data.
have a nice day,
On 3/9/12, mahatGma rabintrah mahatgma@gmail.com wrote:
I would love to receive daily digest without Mathieu's unnecessary / arrogant comments. Is there a way to filter his posts?
Now, if you'd just explain that you're quitting smoking, then that comment would be disregarded based on recent posts.
The digest sucks anyhow--what you have is a technical problem
mahatGma rabintrah wrote:
I would love to receive daily digest without Mathieu's unnecessary / arrogant comments. Is there a way to filter his posts?
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this comment is absolutely constructive, let's stop hearing wanna-bees gurus, thx.
as an indian with so many gods, you must be bored, hoho ..
sevy
ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
mahatGma rabintrah wrote:
I would love to receive daily digest without Mathieu's unnecessary / arrogant comments. Is there a way to filter his posts?
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http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-listthis comment is absolutely constructive, let's stop hearing wanna-bees gurus, thx.
as an indian with so many gods, you must be bored, hoho ..
sevy
<chevil> matthieu bouchard said : "..." <chevil> matthieu bouchard said : "..." <chevil> matthieu bouchard said : "..." <chevil> my phone is spammed by mathieu bouchard
if art ( or whatever you call a mind activity ) has become polite, then it can go to f*** off.
that's not the point here, the point is when people over-speak to say _nothing_ meaningful, but f*** off is very meaningful, on the contrary.
some people say i said f*** off because i had a bad day or loose control and they are totally wrong, i _really_ meant it when i did say it and it was no mistake, never.
and nothing has changed ... as you can see.
sevy
mahatgma@gmail.com, this is your second post to the list, and you're already complaining about a member who has been here practically from its inception?
pull your head in, mate.
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From: "ydegoyon@gmail.com" ydegoyon@gmail.com To: Cc: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a way to block/filter Mathieu ?
if art ( or whatever you call a mind activity ) has become polite, then it can go to f*** off.
Did you hear him, polite art? He said you can go f[osc~ 1000] off!
-Jonathan
that's not the point here, the point is when people over-speak to say _nothing_ meaningful, but f*** off is very meaningful, on the contrary.
some people say i said f*** off because i had a bad day or loose control and they are totally wrong, i _really_ meant it when i did say it and it was no mistake, never.
and nothing has changed ... as you can see.
sevy
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Hi mahatGma, If you change your Pd list configuration to receive individual emails then you can filter them manual using your email client. The user documentation for Mailman, which is what the Pd list uses, is here: http://www.list.org/mailman-member/index.html Please keep in mind that if you manually filter messages to a thread which are not spam AND you want to participate in a thread where others are reading those messages, then you will probably end up adding unnecessary noise, either by making other people reiterate the points that you are refusing to read, or by blithely repeating the same point that the person you are filtering made before you. On the other hand, if you have suggestions on how to improve courtesy on this list you are certainly entitled to put them forward. -Jonathan
From: mahatGma rabintrah mahatgma@gmail.com To: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 3:35 PM Subject: [PD] Is there a way to block/filter Mathieu ?
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