Jumping on the discussion (not a frequent poster, but I do follow), I must say I agree with Marco... but one question (kinda related, but at the same time isn't): what would consist, then, "improvisation" when using Pd?

I mean, if you consider free improvisation the only thing I can think of, in five seconds, is "live coding". However, if you think of an instrument there are also "pre-given" structures one must follow, that is, pitch range, playability, timbre and so on. Roughly, with traditional instruments (from western tradition) you can't go that far away from the 12-tone paradigm (of course, a few exceptions here and there with guys like Otomo Yoshihide for the guitar or Coltrane/Evan Parker for Saxophone), but then, again... what is true improvisation in the context of Pd, Max, whatever?

I'm asking because, like I said, I do agree with Marco - recombining patterns doesn't consist of improvisation for me as well... and if improvisation in that case consists of playing notes over the riffs and patterns, why use a gestural controller? Just for the sake of technology?

Such topic interests me a lot, I'd love to hear your thoughts :)

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel@thesaddj.com> wrote:
Ingo,
thanks for your explanation, I think to understand how he's playing.


The movement looks to me secondary - it's more like a dance movement and not
too much music control.


This might be a very personal take, but if movement is secondary in gestural control, why one uses gestural control at all?
I believe that effective and ancillary gestures are what reinforce our perception of an instrument as a musical tool, rather than a mere "device".
Imho many gestural controllers would benefit of a better focus on this aspect.
 
How would you play such melodic lines (like those jazz licks) - in time -
simply with gestural control?

Setting an array of preset chords, triggering them with multiple switches, deploying a timeline which holds the trigger until the onset of the next beat or quarter, etc...
I guess the list here could come up with many other methods.
I'm not saying that's trivial, I only think that it's not the "future" as it is presented in the video.
 
How would you improvise on scales, pattern or
harmonic structures? After all he's a jazz player calling his music "beat
jazz".

What do you call improvisation in this case?
How much is he improvising?
I can imagine he's "improvising" with the melodic lines, but playing samples and presets chords doesn't match my own definition of improvisation.

cheers,
M

 



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